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Would it be worthwhile to document these sorts of criticisms? Specifically the arguments outlined on this article/website:
At this point in time it is the only source where I have seen these accusations, so perhaps more sources would be needed prior to writing about these criticisms in the article. Aball85 ( talk) 23:39, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
The accusations are also mentioned in this article which is already cited on the page. https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2022/05/19/ryder-ripps-bored-apes-and-owning-an-nft/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:9E8:BA:C200:59EF:7558:5E86:63C0 ( talk) 14:13, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Prof. Steen has recently added a section on this issue, using first a WP:MEDIUM post as the source and then a YouTube video. While I adviced the user that those are not reliable sources (and have not reverted a second time due to the article's restrictions), I think it would be useful to continue this discussion and have the input of other editors on whether this video can be considered reliable and if reliable sources have covered this subject. Isabelle 🏳🌈 15:06, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
This article from Reuters mentions the accusations: https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/artist-fires-back-bored-ape-lawsuit-with-racism-accusations-2022-08-15/
However, it’s all just repeating Ripps’s words, so not sure how useful this would be as an extra source. ASpacemanFalls ( talk) 09:42, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
my sections on the controversy were not added by ryder the “proof” tweet is a reply to me asking him if he knows how to use wikipedia so i could get the references right. you cannot erase a controversy that is recognized by thousands of people 148.75.29.1 ( talk) 16:44, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Controversy is no secret re. cryptocurrency and the entire NFT space. I see a controversy section was added but then removed by someone in Russia. I’m fairly new to Wikipedia but I do feel a controversy section is important. Thoughts? Is this the medium to discuss changed before actually doing them? 67.181.16.67 ( talk) 17:08, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
The current image on this article uses copyrighted images, justified by the rationale that there is no way to get a free image. However, owners of NFTs get rights to the image. Quoting from this article itself: "Owners of a Bored Ape NFT are granted access to (...) intellectual property rights for the image." Therefore, I see no reason why we can't get permission from someone who owns one of these. RteeeeKed 💬 📖 20:32, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi Guydebordgame, the citation that you supplied [1] for this edit [2] does not say what you have inferred and stated it does, and therefore your edit is a WP:BLP violation. Your citation states that Aronow's early-teens addictions ended when he was 15, and that his MFA aspirations followed by his severe illness began in his early 20s, and that his cryptocurrency trading began at some point in his 20s. Therefore, the text you added to the Wikipedia article is false and a serious WP:BLP violation. Please revert it. 64.64.172.66 ( talk) 04:19, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
Why do you feel that? It provides important background on the founders past and is an interesting detail that he provided in an interview. Do you not like it because it paints the founder in a negative light? I find it very beautiful that he has overcome these obstacles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guydebordgame ( talk • contribs) 09:44, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
why is that? I would argue you do, you are the one blanking, I am adding, expanding and improving this article, it seems like you are simply editing inconvenient facts. Please get WP:CONSENSUS before editing any of my edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guydebordgame ( talk • contribs) 04:39, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Mark Pitcavage and Carla Hill, two senior researchers for the Anti-Defamation League, commented in an interview to Input Magazine that some of the traits displayed by the apes are "problematic". These included things such as the "sushi chef headband" and the "gold chain and gold teeth".While the section about the addiction should not be re-added. Isabelle 🏳🌈 13:58, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Regarding the "many compare it to Disney" edit, Guydebordgame. The sourced articles are either from people directly involved with the NFT market/the company itself and only quote a handful of people. That does not constitute "many" and the bit about "the epitome of cool" is completely subjective and, again, not something that "many" say. I'd argue this information isn't relevant to the article at all and, at most, might be slotted into the 'Reception' section with very careful wording to avoid misrepresenting reality, which is that a few people with a vested interest in the company's success have talked it up. In fact, looking at it from that perspective, it might not be a good addition period. It's prone to bias, heavily so. ASpacemanFalls ( talk) 08:45, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
If crypto firms want to become the next JPMorgan, NFT brands want to be the next Harry Potter or Disney. That's the idea.I don't think that information merits addition in this article. Isabelle 🏳🌈 12:34, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
"Their North Star is Disney," Wu says. "They see themselves as holding valuable IP that they want to build, essentially, a media entertainment empire with. ... Disney is what it is because of the culture it has created, and that's what Bored Ape Yacht Club and the Yuga Labs team is trying to do."Wu is
the head of FTX Ventures, a $2 billion fund that participated in the recent funding round.
I have re-removed the claim "itself named after the 1971 film, banned in many countries for being child pornography." The the first citation does not mention Bored Ape, and does not mention child pornography or the film being banned anywhere. The newly added citation (The Daily Dot) is unreliable as it falsely implies that the pseudonym refers to the film rather than the album and it links to an unrelated 2015 Canadian court filing which does not mention Bored Ape or the album the pseudonym is named for, and although the court filing mentions the film and says that a police officer had said that based on description one or two scenes in the film were "bordeline child pornography", the court filing says nothing about the film being "banned in many countries". This Daily Dot article, dated 18 August 2022, obviously simply copied the false information and non-verifying citation from the Wikipedia article on the film, where someone had added the false claim and non-verifying citation on 3 February 2022: [3]. 64.64.172.66 ( talk) 01:19, 2 October 2022 (UTC) Also, based on advice at ANI, I have now also removed that erroneous claim from Emperor Tomato Ketchup (film). 64.64.172.66 ( talk) 01:34, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2005/oct/06/desperate-moviegoers/ https://martinteller.wordpress.com/2014/01/11/emperor-tomato-ketchup/ https://mediaclassification.org/timeline-event/emperor-tomato-ketchup-japan-film-censorship/ https://www.jstor.org/stable/45393535 https://www.reddit.com/r/lists/comments/igu1xa/top_10_movies_that_are_banned_in_the_united_states/ https://rinj.org/porn/R._v._Way_2015_ONSC_3080.pdf https://www.imdb.com/review/rw1735441/?ref_=tt_urv https://www.imdb.com/review/rw1119543/?ref_=tt_urv — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guydebordgame ( talk • contribs) 03:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
There’s more than plenty out there to at least touch on the allegations of pseudo-nazi memes encoded throughout BAYC content (which, btw, are true, as is abundantly obvious to anyone with cursory familiarity with 4chan/the proto-alt right)
The company has been forced to respond multiple times, Anonymous has declared war on them. Either of those alone is arguably cause enough for notability
https://futurism.com/anonymous-bayc-hate-group-claims
https://www.theboredapegazette.com/post/yuga-labs-and-bored-apes-responded-to-the-bayc-racism-debate
https://medium.com/@team_69582/a-letter-from-the-founders-678e5a3431e7
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/bored-ape-yacht-club-nft-creator-advances-trademark-lawsuit 97.113.216.105 ( talk) 15:56, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Pinging @ Heresthechill here. A blog post on Medium is not a reliable or notable source ( WP:RSSELF), even if it was written by someone who used to contribute to a reputable source. Please remove the section or find an actual WP:RS. ASpacemanFalls ( talk) 14:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
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the latter deriving his alias from the 1996 [[Stereolab]] [[Emperor Tomato Ketchup (album)|album of the same name]].<ref name=Hissong2021/>
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the latter claims he derived his alias from the 1996 [[Stereolab]] [[Emperor Tomato Ketchup (album)|album of the same name]]; it is also the title of a [[Emperor Tomato Ketchup (film)|1970 film]] that depicts children leading a fascist society and committing acts of sexual violence.<ref name=Hissong2021/><ref>{{cite web | url=https://nextprojection.com/2013/11/30/subversive-saturday-emperor-tomato-ketchup-1971/ | title=Subversive Saturday: Emperor Tomato Ketchup (1971) | date=21 December 2022}}</ref>
In order to revert this erroneous edit made by a user who has removed parts of other articles without explanation multiple times. The user appeared to be trying to discretely re-add the previously-reverted by another user that had been reverted just some hours prior. Notably that user used a misleading edit summary and also did not explain the changes they made. Uelx ( talk) 15:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
The panel on the right side of the article states Nicole Muniz is CEO. This is incorrect, Daniel Alegre has been CEO since early 2023. Can someone update please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.216.72.231 ( talk) 19:10, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
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Would it be worthwhile to document these sorts of criticisms? Specifically the arguments outlined on this article/website:
At this point in time it is the only source where I have seen these accusations, so perhaps more sources would be needed prior to writing about these criticisms in the article. Aball85 ( talk) 23:39, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
The accusations are also mentioned in this article which is already cited on the page. https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2022/05/19/ryder-ripps-bored-apes-and-owning-an-nft/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:9E8:BA:C200:59EF:7558:5E86:63C0 ( talk) 14:13, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
Prof. Steen has recently added a section on this issue, using first a WP:MEDIUM post as the source and then a YouTube video. While I adviced the user that those are not reliable sources (and have not reverted a second time due to the article's restrictions), I think it would be useful to continue this discussion and have the input of other editors on whether this video can be considered reliable and if reliable sources have covered this subject. Isabelle 🏳🌈 15:06, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
This article from Reuters mentions the accusations: https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/artist-fires-back-bored-ape-lawsuit-with-racism-accusations-2022-08-15/
However, it’s all just repeating Ripps’s words, so not sure how useful this would be as an extra source. ASpacemanFalls ( talk) 09:42, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
my sections on the controversy were not added by ryder the “proof” tweet is a reply to me asking him if he knows how to use wikipedia so i could get the references right. you cannot erase a controversy that is recognized by thousands of people 148.75.29.1 ( talk) 16:44, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Controversy is no secret re. cryptocurrency and the entire NFT space. I see a controversy section was added but then removed by someone in Russia. I’m fairly new to Wikipedia but I do feel a controversy section is important. Thoughts? Is this the medium to discuss changed before actually doing them? 67.181.16.67 ( talk) 17:08, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
The current image on this article uses copyrighted images, justified by the rationale that there is no way to get a free image. However, owners of NFTs get rights to the image. Quoting from this article itself: "Owners of a Bored Ape NFT are granted access to (...) intellectual property rights for the image." Therefore, I see no reason why we can't get permission from someone who owns one of these. RteeeeKed 💬 📖 20:32, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi Guydebordgame, the citation that you supplied [1] for this edit [2] does not say what you have inferred and stated it does, and therefore your edit is a WP:BLP violation. Your citation states that Aronow's early-teens addictions ended when he was 15, and that his MFA aspirations followed by his severe illness began in his early 20s, and that his cryptocurrency trading began at some point in his 20s. Therefore, the text you added to the Wikipedia article is false and a serious WP:BLP violation. Please revert it. 64.64.172.66 ( talk) 04:19, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
Why do you feel that? It provides important background on the founders past and is an interesting detail that he provided in an interview. Do you not like it because it paints the founder in a negative light? I find it very beautiful that he has overcome these obstacles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guydebordgame ( talk • contribs) 09:44, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
why is that? I would argue you do, you are the one blanking, I am adding, expanding and improving this article, it seems like you are simply editing inconvenient facts. Please get WP:CONSENSUS before editing any of my edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guydebordgame ( talk • contribs) 04:39, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Mark Pitcavage and Carla Hill, two senior researchers for the Anti-Defamation League, commented in an interview to Input Magazine that some of the traits displayed by the apes are "problematic". These included things such as the "sushi chef headband" and the "gold chain and gold teeth".While the section about the addiction should not be re-added. Isabelle 🏳🌈 13:58, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Regarding the "many compare it to Disney" edit, Guydebordgame. The sourced articles are either from people directly involved with the NFT market/the company itself and only quote a handful of people. That does not constitute "many" and the bit about "the epitome of cool" is completely subjective and, again, not something that "many" say. I'd argue this information isn't relevant to the article at all and, at most, might be slotted into the 'Reception' section with very careful wording to avoid misrepresenting reality, which is that a few people with a vested interest in the company's success have talked it up. In fact, looking at it from that perspective, it might not be a good addition period. It's prone to bias, heavily so. ASpacemanFalls ( talk) 08:45, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
If crypto firms want to become the next JPMorgan, NFT brands want to be the next Harry Potter or Disney. That's the idea.I don't think that information merits addition in this article. Isabelle 🏳🌈 12:34, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
"Their North Star is Disney," Wu says. "They see themselves as holding valuable IP that they want to build, essentially, a media entertainment empire with. ... Disney is what it is because of the culture it has created, and that's what Bored Ape Yacht Club and the Yuga Labs team is trying to do."Wu is
the head of FTX Ventures, a $2 billion fund that participated in the recent funding round.
I have re-removed the claim "itself named after the 1971 film, banned in many countries for being child pornography." The the first citation does not mention Bored Ape, and does not mention child pornography or the film being banned anywhere. The newly added citation (The Daily Dot) is unreliable as it falsely implies that the pseudonym refers to the film rather than the album and it links to an unrelated 2015 Canadian court filing which does not mention Bored Ape or the album the pseudonym is named for, and although the court filing mentions the film and says that a police officer had said that based on description one or two scenes in the film were "bordeline child pornography", the court filing says nothing about the film being "banned in many countries". This Daily Dot article, dated 18 August 2022, obviously simply copied the false information and non-verifying citation from the Wikipedia article on the film, where someone had added the false claim and non-verifying citation on 3 February 2022: [3]. 64.64.172.66 ( talk) 01:19, 2 October 2022 (UTC) Also, based on advice at ANI, I have now also removed that erroneous claim from Emperor Tomato Ketchup (film). 64.64.172.66 ( talk) 01:34, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2005/oct/06/desperate-moviegoers/ https://martinteller.wordpress.com/2014/01/11/emperor-tomato-ketchup/ https://mediaclassification.org/timeline-event/emperor-tomato-ketchup-japan-film-censorship/ https://www.jstor.org/stable/45393535 https://www.reddit.com/r/lists/comments/igu1xa/top_10_movies_that_are_banned_in_the_united_states/ https://rinj.org/porn/R._v._Way_2015_ONSC_3080.pdf https://www.imdb.com/review/rw1735441/?ref_=tt_urv https://www.imdb.com/review/rw1119543/?ref_=tt_urv — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guydebordgame ( talk • contribs) 03:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
There’s more than plenty out there to at least touch on the allegations of pseudo-nazi memes encoded throughout BAYC content (which, btw, are true, as is abundantly obvious to anyone with cursory familiarity with 4chan/the proto-alt right)
The company has been forced to respond multiple times, Anonymous has declared war on them. Either of those alone is arguably cause enough for notability
https://futurism.com/anonymous-bayc-hate-group-claims
https://www.theboredapegazette.com/post/yuga-labs-and-bored-apes-responded-to-the-bayc-racism-debate
https://medium.com/@team_69582/a-letter-from-the-founders-678e5a3431e7
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law/bored-ape-yacht-club-nft-creator-advances-trademark-lawsuit 97.113.216.105 ( talk) 15:56, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
Pinging @ Heresthechill here. A blog post on Medium is not a reliable or notable source ( WP:RSSELF), even if it was written by someone who used to contribute to a reputable source. Please remove the section or find an actual WP:RS. ASpacemanFalls ( talk) 14:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
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the latter deriving his alias from the 1996 [[Stereolab]] [[Emperor Tomato Ketchup (album)|album of the same name]].<ref name=Hissong2021/>
to
the latter claims he derived his alias from the 1996 [[Stereolab]] [[Emperor Tomato Ketchup (album)|album of the same name]]; it is also the title of a [[Emperor Tomato Ketchup (film)|1970 film]] that depicts children leading a fascist society and committing acts of sexual violence.<ref name=Hissong2021/><ref>{{cite web | url=https://nextprojection.com/2013/11/30/subversive-saturday-emperor-tomato-ketchup-1971/ | title=Subversive Saturday: Emperor Tomato Ketchup (1971) | date=21 December 2022}}</ref>
In order to revert this erroneous edit made by a user who has removed parts of other articles without explanation multiple times. The user appeared to be trying to discretely re-add the previously-reverted by another user that had been reverted just some hours prior. Notably that user used a misleading edit summary and also did not explain the changes they made. Uelx ( talk) 15:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
The panel on the right side of the article states Nicole Muniz is CEO. This is incorrect, Daniel Alegre has been CEO since early 2023. Can someone update please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.216.72.231 ( talk) 19:10, 1 December 2023 (UTC)