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This article seems redundant of the longer article entitled Bushwhacker. If nobody objects within the next couple of weeks, I am going to merge and make this a redirect. Let me know if anyone has thoughts. Kgwo1972 15:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
"Border Ruffian" sounds pejorative and inconsistent with Wikipedia neutrality. Does anyone know what these people called themselves? This term was used by the Abolitionists. If the Pro-slavery people adopted the name, that should be noted. If not, we need their name for themselves. Stuart Strahl ( talk) 17:13, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Five cites in the article are sourced to one article appearing on a web site that does not attribute authorship to the article cited. The most controversial claim is that Border Ruffians objected to free blacks living nearby. Ascribing racist attitudes that sound more like complaints of whites in 1960s Boston to Border Ruffians in the 1850s should have better sourcing. http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h84.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:151:C000:540:38EE:A386:DB99:81D2 ( talk) 15:42, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
1. The article states that Missourians were voting illegally, yet doesn't offer an explanation or outline as to what the stipulations for voting were.
2. It also seems incredibly biased in favor of the northern narrative. Cities like Lawrence and Manhatten were "settled" by a New England society that came soley for the purpose of voting. This of course spoke to their own self-interest i.e. By making it a free state it would allow them to expand their power by building mills in Kansas and potentially voting in their own people. The southerners were attempting to do the exact same thing but with less capital from industrial tycoons. Both were violent. Both were out to win the state. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.14.245.202 ( talk) 22:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
The problem with this article is not that it says that one side cheated or the other. (Both sides were trying to kill each other, which isn't legal in any state!) The problem with this article is it uses Northern pejorative terms to talk about a group of Southerners. "Ruffian" is a pejorative. If the Kansas Southerners adopted the name for themselves, it would be acceptable, but no one has claimed they did--let alone sourced their claim. We can have a page for the "No-Nothing Party," because that's what they called themselves, but it's inappropriate to have a page titled the "Moron Party," because that wasn't their name. "Border Ruffians" wasn't their name. Either this page needs to be retitled, or, if there is no known name for this group, then any usable content should be merged into the Bleeding Kansas, and this page replaced with a redirect. Stuart Strahl ( talk) 23:46, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
A search in newspapers.com (to which I have access through the Wikipedia Library) for the term "border ruffians" (in quotes) for the period 1850-1861 reveals:
The Gazette of Montreal of June 11, 1857, published "Song of the border ruffian" (all caps), 32 verses, which begins:
"Free society! We sicken at the name." —Alabama newspaper
America the land of Liberty?
I tell you what!—I'll put a chunk of lead
Inside your brain if you say that to me....
Not only niggers, but them darn mean whites
To servitude, who stoops [
sic] themselves to lower,
Mind! or I'll drive a peephole through your lights.
Whole poem: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83540941/song-of-the-border-ruffian/ deisenbe ( talk) 12:02, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
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Hello,
I'm new to editing on wikipedia, so I'm not really sure how things go here, but the mention of the capitalization rules for border ruffian seems entirely unnecessary. Why should it be there? Wouldn't it be better fit in the origin section?
Cahmad25 ( talk) 14:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)cahmad25
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This article seems redundant of the longer article entitled Bushwhacker. If nobody objects within the next couple of weeks, I am going to merge and make this a redirect. Let me know if anyone has thoughts. Kgwo1972 15:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
"Border Ruffian" sounds pejorative and inconsistent with Wikipedia neutrality. Does anyone know what these people called themselves? This term was used by the Abolitionists. If the Pro-slavery people adopted the name, that should be noted. If not, we need their name for themselves. Stuart Strahl ( talk) 17:13, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Five cites in the article are sourced to one article appearing on a web site that does not attribute authorship to the article cited. The most controversial claim is that Border Ruffians objected to free blacks living nearby. Ascribing racist attitudes that sound more like complaints of whites in 1960s Boston to Border Ruffians in the 1850s should have better sourcing. http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h84.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:151:C000:540:38EE:A386:DB99:81D2 ( talk) 15:42, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
1. The article states that Missourians were voting illegally, yet doesn't offer an explanation or outline as to what the stipulations for voting were.
2. It also seems incredibly biased in favor of the northern narrative. Cities like Lawrence and Manhatten were "settled" by a New England society that came soley for the purpose of voting. This of course spoke to their own self-interest i.e. By making it a free state it would allow them to expand their power by building mills in Kansas and potentially voting in their own people. The southerners were attempting to do the exact same thing but with less capital from industrial tycoons. Both were violent. Both were out to win the state. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.14.245.202 ( talk) 22:52, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
The problem with this article is not that it says that one side cheated or the other. (Both sides were trying to kill each other, which isn't legal in any state!) The problem with this article is it uses Northern pejorative terms to talk about a group of Southerners. "Ruffian" is a pejorative. If the Kansas Southerners adopted the name for themselves, it would be acceptable, but no one has claimed they did--let alone sourced their claim. We can have a page for the "No-Nothing Party," because that's what they called themselves, but it's inappropriate to have a page titled the "Moron Party," because that wasn't their name. "Border Ruffians" wasn't their name. Either this page needs to be retitled, or, if there is no known name for this group, then any usable content should be merged into the Bleeding Kansas, and this page replaced with a redirect. Stuart Strahl ( talk) 23:46, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
A search in newspapers.com (to which I have access through the Wikipedia Library) for the term "border ruffians" (in quotes) for the period 1850-1861 reveals:
The Gazette of Montreal of June 11, 1857, published "Song of the border ruffian" (all caps), 32 verses, which begins:
"Free society! We sicken at the name." —Alabama newspaper
America the land of Liberty?
I tell you what!—I'll put a chunk of lead
Inside your brain if you say that to me....
Not only niggers, but them darn mean whites
To servitude, who stoops [
sic] themselves to lower,
Mind! or I'll drive a peephole through your lights.
Whole poem: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83540941/song-of-the-border-ruffian/ deisenbe ( talk) 12:02, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
![]() | It was proposed in this section that
Border Ruffian be
renamed and moved to
Border ruffian.
result: Links:
current log •
target log
This is template {{
subst:Requested move/end}} |
Border Ruffian → Border ruffian – Not a proper name, usage at the time. See usage in newspapers just above. deisenbe ( talk) 12:09, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello,
I'm new to editing on wikipedia, so I'm not really sure how things go here, but the mention of the capitalization rules for border ruffian seems entirely unnecessary. Why should it be there? Wouldn't it be better fit in the origin section?
Cahmad25 ( talk) 14:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)cahmad25