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If Baruch is not in the Tanakh, it is odd to read in this entry that "Baruch is found among the prophetical books which include Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, (Baruch), Ezekiel, Daniel, and the twelve minor prophets." "Found?" Found by Catholics one supposes.... Wetman 02:24, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I oppose the merge. Although in modern bibles the Epistle of Jeremy is effectively part of Baruch, in old manuscripts it was not always so. The two works have separate histories. Rwflammang 13:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I think its not right to use a picture of a Torah scroll in context with the words Old Testament here. Thats not NPOV I think. If I should say this somewhere else, can someone point me to the right place? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.153.4.250 ( talk) 03:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Are all those external links within the text OK? I thought external links should only be in the External Links section.-- Mycomp ( talk) 23:19, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Apparently Baruch 6:21 contains the only biblical mention of cats. Notable or trivia? -- Rumping ( talk) 09:01, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
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Most of the section on canonicity looks to be tendentious and question-begging.
Apart from the first sentence - relating to the witness of Greek Fathers - the substance of this section is almost entirely unsupported by the text of the works referenced. So there is no mention of Baruch in Augustine "On Christian Doctrine" at the points mentioned. There is a mention in Augustine's "City of God", but that is negative; in that a quotation taken from "The Book of Baruch" is proposed by Augustine as likely not by Baruch, but by Jeremiah. Furthermore, in all the supposed supporting citations from Synods (in the best manuscripts), it is Jeremiah that is being stated as canonical, not Baruch. Boagaert ( “Le livre de Baruch dans les manuscrits de la Bible latine. Disparition et réintégration,” Revue bénédictine 115 (2005): 286–342) has studied this whole matter in detail, and proposes that in the Latin West, Baruch (and the Letter of Jeremiah) are never recognised as distinct from the Book of Jeremiah until the 9th/10th century. Hence, when a Latin Father cites a text from Baruch as inspired, it cannot be inferred that they are citing the 'Book of Baruch' as canonical, only that they are citing Jeremiah as canonical (which no Christian tradition has ever disputed). In simple terms; the Old Latin text of the bible included three sets of additions to the book of Jeremiah - Baruch, Letter of Jeremiah and Lamentations; but only Lamentations is included as canonical in the early Vulgate tradition.
Bogaert proposes that the first fifteen verses of Baruch originated as an extended final section of LXX Jeremiah - which is radically different from Hebrew Jeremiah, and which ended with Chapter 45. TomHennell ( talk) 13:49, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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If Baruch is not in the Tanakh, it is odd to read in this entry that "Baruch is found among the prophetical books which include Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, (Baruch), Ezekiel, Daniel, and the twelve minor prophets." "Found?" Found by Catholics one supposes.... Wetman 02:24, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I oppose the merge. Although in modern bibles the Epistle of Jeremy is effectively part of Baruch, in old manuscripts it was not always so. The two works have separate histories. Rwflammang 13:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I think its not right to use a picture of a Torah scroll in context with the words Old Testament here. Thats not NPOV I think. If I should say this somewhere else, can someone point me to the right place? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.153.4.250 ( talk) 03:23, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Are all those external links within the text OK? I thought external links should only be in the External Links section.-- Mycomp ( talk) 23:19, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Apparently Baruch 6:21 contains the only biblical mention of cats. Notable or trivia? -- Rumping ( talk) 09:01, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
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Most of the section on canonicity looks to be tendentious and question-begging.
Apart from the first sentence - relating to the witness of Greek Fathers - the substance of this section is almost entirely unsupported by the text of the works referenced. So there is no mention of Baruch in Augustine "On Christian Doctrine" at the points mentioned. There is a mention in Augustine's "City of God", but that is negative; in that a quotation taken from "The Book of Baruch" is proposed by Augustine as likely not by Baruch, but by Jeremiah. Furthermore, in all the supposed supporting citations from Synods (in the best manuscripts), it is Jeremiah that is being stated as canonical, not Baruch. Boagaert ( “Le livre de Baruch dans les manuscrits de la Bible latine. Disparition et réintégration,” Revue bénédictine 115 (2005): 286–342) has studied this whole matter in detail, and proposes that in the Latin West, Baruch (and the Letter of Jeremiah) are never recognised as distinct from the Book of Jeremiah until the 9th/10th century. Hence, when a Latin Father cites a text from Baruch as inspired, it cannot be inferred that they are citing the 'Book of Baruch' as canonical, only that they are citing Jeremiah as canonical (which no Christian tradition has ever disputed). In simple terms; the Old Latin text of the bible included three sets of additions to the book of Jeremiah - Baruch, Letter of Jeremiah and Lamentations; but only Lamentations is included as canonical in the early Vulgate tradition.
Bogaert proposes that the first fifteen verses of Baruch originated as an extended final section of LXX Jeremiah - which is radically different from Hebrew Jeremiah, and which ended with Chapter 45. TomHennell ( talk) 13:49, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
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