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Though I have seen Boogiepop Phantom advertized as being suitable for younger audiences, ages 13 and up, I have serious doubts of the ability of young audiences to follow it's confusing non-linear storyline. I am a college educated professional and somewhat closer to 40 years of age than 35 years of age, and I've had to watch it a couple of times through to figure it all out. Add to this the challenge of a large number of characters, with Japanese names, and time jumping, and I don't think many 13 year olds will sit past the first episode. GestaltG 18:17, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
This article isn't just about the Boogiepop Phantom anime series, but rather the novels (14 as of 2006), live action film, and Manga/Graphic novels (2 so far). The Phantom anime series is actually rated 15+ and without watching it most the way through and/or reading the extra included DVD notes, a feature on the last two DVDs, or reading the first novel/manga/watching the live action movie you won't understand everything that is going on. Actually even if you read the novel/watch the movie there are still flashbacks to other novels, in particular Boogiepop at Dawn where the bloodied mantle of the Kuroda Shinpei /Scarecrow/Kishida Ichirou is found by Touka , which are not really focused in on the anime.
Not sure how many people are going to read this, but cannot hurt to ask. The Japanese Wikipedia entry for this series claims that it was a significant influence on the 'sekai system', which is something I have never heard of before (as a pretty hardcore otaku, that is saying something). Reading the Japanese article on what this system is, it is anime where the protagonist does/can reshape their world (eg Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu, Kono Minikuku mo Utsukushii Sekai), and apparently originated with Shinseiki Evangelion. This seems to be a genre classification we do not use in English, but if the series has had any kind of a noteworthy influence on the genre, it should be pointed out here. Does anyone know enough (anything?) about this topic to be able to include what kind of significance the Boogiepop series has had on it? Elric of Grans 00:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
(Don't forget RahXephon!) -- Gwern (contribs) 02:18 4 September 2007 (GMT)
I have read this article, and also consulted comments on the prior peer review. I feel this article has improved to the point that it should be considered a "good article". The concepts, which seem somewhat complicated, are nevertheless well articulated. The article is well organized and easy to follow. The references are well presented and seem extremely well documented. The article is neither too long nor too short, and conveys the basic concepts well without becoming sidetracked with the minute. The article maintains NPOV when dealing with topics such as criticism, and seems to be well tempered without weasel language or any other NPOV nonconformities. I see no evidence this article lacks stability, as a great deal of the editing has been accomplished by a small number of individuals. My sole complaint is with the images. These images lack reference and appear somewhat nonsequitur with the topics they border. Perhaps I simply don't understand the connection, but a caption would really improve this ambiguity. I understand that some images are difficult to come by, but they should generally mesh with the article, and not simply be a kind of scattered video trivia. The exceptions to this are, of course, the portraits of the four main characters, which are obviously explained and require no captions. Because the criteria of "good article" specifically says that images alone do not suffice to fail an article, I am passing this one with that one reservation, which I am pretty sure, given the quality of the rest of the article, the editors who have created this page will most likely have that cleared up quickly. I feel this was a job well done! Cheers! Chuchunezumi 05:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
It was later adapted into a live action film by Ryu Kaneda, a two-volume manga by Kouji Ogata and served as the inspiration for a soundtrack composed by Yuki Kajiura. I am not entirely sure I get this. The soundtrack they're referring to is the soundtrack to the movie. Is this implying that the soundtrack was written before the movie was produced, or is it just written poorly? -- user.lain 22:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I have seen and been involved with a couple of articles recently that have changed their name from PAGENAME series to PAGENAME (series). It makes me wonder, should this page be called Boogiepop (series)?
Examples: Suzumiya Haruhi (series), Ojamajo Doremi (series)-- Squilibob 04:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
The article states: Boogiepop speaks in an archaic manner, and seems fond of whistling Wagner's Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg.
What, all of it? This opera is quite long and contains a large number of solo arias, ensembles, choruses, orchestral pieces, etc. Does Boogiepop whistle the same tune all the time? If so, which one? -- GuillaumeTell 17:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering, what with more Boogiepop on the way, and the various articles that make reference to them, should we now or at some point in the future have an article or section that deals specifically with the Towa organization? Thought this would be the right place to bring this up. Hellspawn 23:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Found this info regarding sales of Boogiepop. I'll let you decide whether to run with it or not.:
"Likewise in the 90's such works as Kouhei Kadono's Boogiepop and Keiichi Sigsawa's Kino's Journey sold three 'million units'" - Anime News Service, http://www.animenewsservice.com/archives/jan07.htm Hellspawn 12:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Also, I found this regarding the Night Watch series:
"Fans of the Boogiepop novels will enjoy a few references to characters in this novel reading his Dengeki Bunko titles, and the last act revelation that the 'enemy' is actually the same alien intelligence that sent Echoes to earth in Boogiepop and Others." - EasternStandard, http://easternstandard.pbwiki.com/Night+Watch Hellspawn 12:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
If you need some more information regarding the crossover series, check the japanese wiki entry on Boogiepop. Apparantely all the other works such as Soul Drop take place in the same "age" as Boogiepop, while Night Watch takes place in a future "age". You won't be able to reference that though. Hellspawn 12:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
As you already know, the animanga infobox is problematic for this article. It automatically adds the anime and manga categories, when this article features neither. Also, it adds the "anime film" category, which is silly since Boogiepop and Others (film) is neither animated or based on an anime series. So, following the examples of Chrono (series) and Mana (series), recent GA-articles, I've decided to remove it.
Any objections?-- Nohansen 16:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Is Boogiepop Dual the same as Boogiepop Dual: Losers' Circus?-- Nohansen 16:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Which versions of Boogiepop use the Japanese naming order? Why isn't English naming order used? WhisperToMe ( talk) 04:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
The genre field on Boogiepop Dual was recently changed from Speculative fiction to Mystery. I'm not the one who originally chose the term Speculative fiction here, so I'm guessing at the reasoning behind it, but I think it rather neatly covers the unusual nature of the series. "In some contexts, it has been used as an inclusive term covering a group of fiction genres that speculate about worlds that are unlike the real world in various important ways. In these contexts, it generally includes science fiction, fantasy fiction, horror fiction, supernatural fiction, superhero fiction, alternate history, and magic realism." Boogiepop is about half these things; sci fi, fantasy, horror, and superhero, all in one, but with a tone that doesn't really match any of them. (One thing it definitely isn't is a mystery.) I think it works pretty well. Doceirias ( talk) 19:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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Within its genre this is a major series hence the high priority rating. The quality of the article is already very good so at this stage a B is warrented. New stage should be to take the article through formal Peer Review and purhaps toward Good or FA status. ::
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Though I have seen Boogiepop Phantom advertized as being suitable for younger audiences, ages 13 and up, I have serious doubts of the ability of young audiences to follow it's confusing non-linear storyline. I am a college educated professional and somewhat closer to 40 years of age than 35 years of age, and I've had to watch it a couple of times through to figure it all out. Add to this the challenge of a large number of characters, with Japanese names, and time jumping, and I don't think many 13 year olds will sit past the first episode. GestaltG 18:17, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
This article isn't just about the Boogiepop Phantom anime series, but rather the novels (14 as of 2006), live action film, and Manga/Graphic novels (2 so far). The Phantom anime series is actually rated 15+ and without watching it most the way through and/or reading the extra included DVD notes, a feature on the last two DVDs, or reading the first novel/manga/watching the live action movie you won't understand everything that is going on. Actually even if you read the novel/watch the movie there are still flashbacks to other novels, in particular Boogiepop at Dawn where the bloodied mantle of the Kuroda Shinpei /Scarecrow/Kishida Ichirou is found by Touka , which are not really focused in on the anime.
Not sure how many people are going to read this, but cannot hurt to ask. The Japanese Wikipedia entry for this series claims that it was a significant influence on the 'sekai system', which is something I have never heard of before (as a pretty hardcore otaku, that is saying something). Reading the Japanese article on what this system is, it is anime where the protagonist does/can reshape their world (eg Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu, Kono Minikuku mo Utsukushii Sekai), and apparently originated with Shinseiki Evangelion. This seems to be a genre classification we do not use in English, but if the series has had any kind of a noteworthy influence on the genre, it should be pointed out here. Does anyone know enough (anything?) about this topic to be able to include what kind of significance the Boogiepop series has had on it? Elric of Grans 00:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
(Don't forget RahXephon!) -- Gwern (contribs) 02:18 4 September 2007 (GMT)
I have read this article, and also consulted comments on the prior peer review. I feel this article has improved to the point that it should be considered a "good article". The concepts, which seem somewhat complicated, are nevertheless well articulated. The article is well organized and easy to follow. The references are well presented and seem extremely well documented. The article is neither too long nor too short, and conveys the basic concepts well without becoming sidetracked with the minute. The article maintains NPOV when dealing with topics such as criticism, and seems to be well tempered without weasel language or any other NPOV nonconformities. I see no evidence this article lacks stability, as a great deal of the editing has been accomplished by a small number of individuals. My sole complaint is with the images. These images lack reference and appear somewhat nonsequitur with the topics they border. Perhaps I simply don't understand the connection, but a caption would really improve this ambiguity. I understand that some images are difficult to come by, but they should generally mesh with the article, and not simply be a kind of scattered video trivia. The exceptions to this are, of course, the portraits of the four main characters, which are obviously explained and require no captions. Because the criteria of "good article" specifically says that images alone do not suffice to fail an article, I am passing this one with that one reservation, which I am pretty sure, given the quality of the rest of the article, the editors who have created this page will most likely have that cleared up quickly. I feel this was a job well done! Cheers! Chuchunezumi 05:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
It was later adapted into a live action film by Ryu Kaneda, a two-volume manga by Kouji Ogata and served as the inspiration for a soundtrack composed by Yuki Kajiura. I am not entirely sure I get this. The soundtrack they're referring to is the soundtrack to the movie. Is this implying that the soundtrack was written before the movie was produced, or is it just written poorly? -- user.lain 22:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I have seen and been involved with a couple of articles recently that have changed their name from PAGENAME series to PAGENAME (series). It makes me wonder, should this page be called Boogiepop (series)?
Examples: Suzumiya Haruhi (series), Ojamajo Doremi (series)-- Squilibob 04:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
The article states: Boogiepop speaks in an archaic manner, and seems fond of whistling Wagner's Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg.
What, all of it? This opera is quite long and contains a large number of solo arias, ensembles, choruses, orchestral pieces, etc. Does Boogiepop whistle the same tune all the time? If so, which one? -- GuillaumeTell 17:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering, what with more Boogiepop on the way, and the various articles that make reference to them, should we now or at some point in the future have an article or section that deals specifically with the Towa organization? Thought this would be the right place to bring this up. Hellspawn 23:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Found this info regarding sales of Boogiepop. I'll let you decide whether to run with it or not.:
"Likewise in the 90's such works as Kouhei Kadono's Boogiepop and Keiichi Sigsawa's Kino's Journey sold three 'million units'" - Anime News Service, http://www.animenewsservice.com/archives/jan07.htm Hellspawn 12:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Also, I found this regarding the Night Watch series:
"Fans of the Boogiepop novels will enjoy a few references to characters in this novel reading his Dengeki Bunko titles, and the last act revelation that the 'enemy' is actually the same alien intelligence that sent Echoes to earth in Boogiepop and Others." - EasternStandard, http://easternstandard.pbwiki.com/Night+Watch Hellspawn 12:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
If you need some more information regarding the crossover series, check the japanese wiki entry on Boogiepop. Apparantely all the other works such as Soul Drop take place in the same "age" as Boogiepop, while Night Watch takes place in a future "age". You won't be able to reference that though. Hellspawn 12:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
As you already know, the animanga infobox is problematic for this article. It automatically adds the anime and manga categories, when this article features neither. Also, it adds the "anime film" category, which is silly since Boogiepop and Others (film) is neither animated or based on an anime series. So, following the examples of Chrono (series) and Mana (series), recent GA-articles, I've decided to remove it.
Any objections?-- Nohansen 16:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Is Boogiepop Dual the same as Boogiepop Dual: Losers' Circus?-- Nohansen 16:20, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Which versions of Boogiepop use the Japanese naming order? Why isn't English naming order used? WhisperToMe ( talk) 04:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
The genre field on Boogiepop Dual was recently changed from Speculative fiction to Mystery. I'm not the one who originally chose the term Speculative fiction here, so I'm guessing at the reasoning behind it, but I think it rather neatly covers the unusual nature of the series. "In some contexts, it has been used as an inclusive term covering a group of fiction genres that speculate about worlds that are unlike the real world in various important ways. In these contexts, it generally includes science fiction, fantasy fiction, horror fiction, supernatural fiction, superhero fiction, alternate history, and magic realism." Boogiepop is about half these things; sci fi, fantasy, horror, and superhero, all in one, but with a tone that doesn't really match any of them. (One thing it definitely isn't is a mystery.) I think it works pretty well. Doceirias ( talk) 19:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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Within its genre this is a major series hence the high priority rating. The quality of the article is already very good so at this stage a B is warrented. New stage should be to take the article through formal Peer Review and purhaps toward Good or FA status. ::
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