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I've added a reference to an encyclopedia article on Bonny Norton (Higgins, 2011), but it's still suggested that it be deleted. Why?
I screwed up. See my reply to your question here
[1].
JbhTalk 23:56, 27 April 2015 (UTC)reply
An Encyclopedia is still not an especially good source. Per
WP:RS, you want solid secondary sources, rather than primary or tertiary ones. --
jbmurray (
talk •
contribs) 10:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Jbmurray and
Jbhunley: While the quality of the sources maybe bad, there are some better sources that have described the importance of this subject.
[2][3]OccultZone (
Talk •
Contributions •
Log) 09:50, 29 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Thank you.
JbhTalk 10:41, 29 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Neither of those are good sources: the first is merely the author's blurb (which is most usually written by the author him or herself); the second is simply a link to a co-authored article by Bonny Norton. --
jbmurray (
talk •
contribs) 00:48, 30 April 2015 (UTC)reply
I would not object to AfD if nothing better can be found.
JbhTalk 01:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)reply
January 2016
This line from the article is directly taken from a paper "Identity and a Model of Investment in Applied Linguistics" By Ron Darvin and Bonny Norton
" In this view, learners can be highly motivated to learn a language, but may not necessarily be invested in the language practices of a given classroom or community if their practices are, for example, racist or sexist. " — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
114.207.160.147 (
talk) 13:15, 2 January 2016
There appear to be several of the same phrases or sentences in this article and that paper. I'm not sure if it's a copyright violation, or simply overzealous quoting. The Darvin & Norton paper is cited here. I've blanked the section 'Key ideas' and raised the issue at
Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2018 August 31 in order to be abundantly cautious.
Cnilep (
talk) 06:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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Moonriddengirl(talk) 01:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)reply
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I've added a reference to an encyclopedia article on Bonny Norton (Higgins, 2011), but it's still suggested that it be deleted. Why?
I screwed up. See my reply to your question here
[1].
JbhTalk 23:56, 27 April 2015 (UTC)reply
An Encyclopedia is still not an especially good source. Per
WP:RS, you want solid secondary sources, rather than primary or tertiary ones. --
jbmurray (
talk •
contribs) 10:12, 28 April 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Jbmurray and
Jbhunley: While the quality of the sources maybe bad, there are some better sources that have described the importance of this subject.
[2][3]OccultZone (
Talk •
Contributions •
Log) 09:50, 29 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Thank you.
JbhTalk 10:41, 29 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Neither of those are good sources: the first is merely the author's blurb (which is most usually written by the author him or herself); the second is simply a link to a co-authored article by Bonny Norton. --
jbmurray (
talk •
contribs) 00:48, 30 April 2015 (UTC)reply
I would not object to AfD if nothing better can be found.
JbhTalk 01:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)reply
January 2016
This line from the article is directly taken from a paper "Identity and a Model of Investment in Applied Linguistics" By Ron Darvin and Bonny Norton
" In this view, learners can be highly motivated to learn a language, but may not necessarily be invested in the language practices of a given classroom or community if their practices are, for example, racist or sexist. " — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
114.207.160.147 (
talk) 13:15, 2 January 2016
There appear to be several of the same phrases or sentences in this article and that paper. I'm not sure if it's a copyright violation, or simply overzealous quoting. The Darvin & Norton paper is cited here. I've blanked the section 'Key ideas' and raised the issue at
Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2018 August 31 in order to be abundantly cautious.
Cnilep (
talk) 06:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)reply
For
legal reasons, we cannot accept
copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and, if allowed under
fair use, may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and
referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, providing it does not infringe on the copyright of the original orplagiarize from that source. Therefore, such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our
guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be
blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you.
Moonriddengirl(talk) 01:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)reply