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Marxism is called "Scientific Socialism", whether you agree that its scientific or not, that term is used to distinguish it from the utopian socialism of robert owen and other pre-marxist socialists. I'm not sure why I even need consensus here but what the hell.
Heres Friedrich Engles's piece on this, written over a hundred years ago
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm PresidenteGonzalo ( talk) 22:54, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
'Utopian' has a specific meaning for Marxists, and Lenin would have objected. And saw the immediate aim of Socialism as realisable. Communism to come later by stages. -- GwydionM ( talk) 08:29, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
I moved the section on derogatory use to the end of the article. The subsection on other parties who used the term "Bolshevik" was previously at the end, but that's not derogatory, and it was a subsection under derogatory use. Roches ( talk) 05:05, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
In "Demographics" the following display appears incorrect to me: "By 1905, 62% of the members were industrial workers (...) Twenty-two percent of Bolsheviks were gentry (...) and 38% were uprooted peasants" - which adds up to 122%. A little too much, I think. Unless these are not disctinct groups, but multiple affiliations possible. Who can help/correct? Spin1970 ( talk) 22:41, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Um, the part about Lenin being narrow-minded...that is not true. Even his political opponents recognized that he fully believed in his cause and that Communism really would make Russia a better place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.59.168.201 ( talk) 02:04, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
This post was made by me before I registered for the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leninist4283 ( talk • contribs) 02:08, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
You can use your own translator and you’ll understand the problem. 46.200.234.51 ( talk) 22:39, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
This article is currently somewhat of a mess. It doesn't know whether it's about the original Bolshevik faction of the RSDLP, the history of the pre-Revolution Bolsheviks up until 1918, or the entire history of the use of the Bolshevik name until the party was renamed the CPSU in 1952.
If I were to redo this article, I would make it so it only covers the history of the original Bolshevik faction. Otherwise, there's an argument to be made that it should cover the entire history of the CPSU until it's dissolution in 1991. The only time there was a clear organisational split was in 1912. You can't end the article in 1918 because the party didn't cease to exist upon forming government. You can't end the article in 1952 because a simple name change doesn't mean the party underwent some sort of complete transformation. You could end the article in 1991, but then it would look almost identical to the CPSU article.
It only makes sense for this article to cover the history of the Bolshevik faction, up until it formed it's own party. That's when there was a clear transformation in the group's organisational structure; enough of a transformation to warrant separate articles. Loytra ( talk) 03:18, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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Marxism is called "Scientific Socialism", whether you agree that its scientific or not, that term is used to distinguish it from the utopian socialism of robert owen and other pre-marxist socialists. I'm not sure why I even need consensus here but what the hell.
Heres Friedrich Engles's piece on this, written over a hundred years ago
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm PresidenteGonzalo ( talk) 22:54, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
'Utopian' has a specific meaning for Marxists, and Lenin would have objected. And saw the immediate aim of Socialism as realisable. Communism to come later by stages. -- GwydionM ( talk) 08:29, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
I moved the section on derogatory use to the end of the article. The subsection on other parties who used the term "Bolshevik" was previously at the end, but that's not derogatory, and it was a subsection under derogatory use. Roches ( talk) 05:05, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
In "Demographics" the following display appears incorrect to me: "By 1905, 62% of the members were industrial workers (...) Twenty-two percent of Bolsheviks were gentry (...) and 38% were uprooted peasants" - which adds up to 122%. A little too much, I think. Unless these are not disctinct groups, but multiple affiliations possible. Who can help/correct? Spin1970 ( talk) 22:41, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Um, the part about Lenin being narrow-minded...that is not true. Even his political opponents recognized that he fully believed in his cause and that Communism really would make Russia a better place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.59.168.201 ( talk) 02:04, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
This post was made by me before I registered for the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leninist4283 ( talk • contribs) 02:08, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
You can use your own translator and you’ll understand the problem. 46.200.234.51 ( talk) 22:39, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
This article is currently somewhat of a mess. It doesn't know whether it's about the original Bolshevik faction of the RSDLP, the history of the pre-Revolution Bolsheviks up until 1918, or the entire history of the use of the Bolshevik name until the party was renamed the CPSU in 1952.
If I were to redo this article, I would make it so it only covers the history of the original Bolshevik faction. Otherwise, there's an argument to be made that it should cover the entire history of the CPSU until it's dissolution in 1991. The only time there was a clear organisational split was in 1912. You can't end the article in 1918 because the party didn't cease to exist upon forming government. You can't end the article in 1952 because a simple name change doesn't mean the party underwent some sort of complete transformation. You could end the article in 1991, but then it would look almost identical to the CPSU article.
It only makes sense for this article to cover the history of the Bolshevik faction, up until it formed it's own party. That's when there was a clear transformation in the group's organisational structure; enough of a transformation to warrant separate articles. Loytra ( talk) 03:18, 14 August 2023 (UTC)