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This is a talk page. Please don't write articles here -- Codrin.B ( talk) 10:31, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Please read carefully in Spinei: "Vlachs were engaged in the disputes for the Kievan throne, beginning with 1015".(page 105) If Bolokhoveni are near Kiev, you have to agree that they were Vlachs or Bolokhoveni. I know you are angry but the text is from Spinei. Please do not erase references. Eurocentral ( talk) 13:38, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Read these (Hypatian Chronicle is not the only chronicle): V. Spinei, The Romanians and the Turkic NomadsNorth of the Danube Deltafrom the Tenth to theMid-Thirteenth Century Brill, 2009, pp 104-105
S. H. Cross, “Yaroslav the Wise in Norse tradition,” Speculum 4 (1929), pp 186–191
Eurocentral ( talk) 13:41, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Dimnik writes that the land of Bolokhoveni bordered on the principalities of Halych, Volhynia and Kiev in the middle 13th century. What is the problem with a map presenting those three principalities in the same period? Borsoka ( talk) 10:42, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
This is the page of Bolokhoveni. Please do not provoke conficts ! Put the map of Galicia to Galicia Wiki page!
Please respect WIKI rules! Only data abot Bolokhoveni are acceptable. If you create a precedent, there be a revolution in all pages. Tomorrow the the users from Kiev will put their map on this page ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.40.169 ( talk) 13:40, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
This is an attack against normal rules. ONLY DOCUMENTS IN CONNECTION WITH THE TOPIC ARE ADMISIBLE. Your document is about GALICIA and from another ERA ! Read the title of the page and bring documents about Bolokhoveni not about Galicians!
Hi, I am surprised to see this fight about maps. Probably user Borsoka wants to say: "I do not agree with Bolokhoveni history" and put his map in a wrong place. Maybe he is from Galicia. If you read in talk page what he wrote you'll understand his negationist position. Obstructioning Bolokhoveni page with maps from other countries is not a good idea. With best regards, Nicky. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.11.92 ( talk) 07:49, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Reasons why the Rus map is not accepted:
1. It is a map of a foreign state
2. It has No data about Bolokhoveni
3. Has a dubious contour
4. It is useless
If we discuss about technical errors:
a. It has not documented data
b. It overlaps a territory that does not belong to Galicia
c. The contour is not found in medieval documents
d. It missed the Uşiţa entering town in Galicia
e. Old documents showed that Andronicus (future Emperor) entered Galicia through Uşiţa; also Spinei showed that Uşiţa was the most advanced Galician town to Southern. So your map is a caricature. Sorry but this is the situation. Eurocentral ( talk) 15:15, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
I've just fully protected this article due to the ongoing edit warring. Please discuss the matter here on the talk page instead of continually reverting. Mark Arsten ( talk) 17:42, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I am not sure but Borokhov seems to be identical with present-day Borokhiv, Volyns'ka oblast, Ukraine (eastward from city of Lutsk). Fakirbakir ( talk) 12:01, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Yes, Spinei actually writes of Ushitsa and makes it clear that this town was located on the southern border of Halych / Galicia. However, he writes of the town in connection with a military action by Ivan Berladnik and his Cuman and Berladnik allies in 1159. He does not make any reference to Bolokhoveni in connection with the event. Furthermore, he clearly states that the Bolokhoveni lived somewhere to the north-east of Moldavia, not to the south of Halych / Galicia. It is also clear that Spinei does not identify the Bolokhoveni as Vlachs. Therefore any reference to his work in order to prove that the Bolokhoveni lived to the south of Halych contradicts to WP:SYNTH. (I refer to Spinei 2009, pp. 131., 161-162.) Borsoka ( talk) 14:50, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
@ Skirts89:, why do you think the scholarly theory about the Bolokhoveni's association with the Vlachs should not be mentioned in the lead? Please take into account that this is a quite widely accepted theory in Romania. Borsoka ( talk) 17:27, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) b uidh e 22:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Bolokhoveni →
Bolokhovians – There is absolutely no reason to use the romanian-language term where the English one exists: we have no idea how they called themselves. The only available chronickles about them are in Slavic. -
Altenmann
>talk
04:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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An IP user is adding a quote from Choniates's chronicle about the Vlachs' presence at the borders of Halych. As per WP:NOR and WP:SOURCE, the connection between Choniates's Vlachs and the Bolokhovians should be verified with a reference to reliable sources. Borsoka ( talk) 01:30, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
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![]() | A fact from Bolokhovians appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 9 February 2015 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
| ![]() |
This is a talk page. Please don't write articles here -- Codrin.B ( talk) 10:31, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Please read carefully in Spinei: "Vlachs were engaged in the disputes for the Kievan throne, beginning with 1015".(page 105) If Bolokhoveni are near Kiev, you have to agree that they were Vlachs or Bolokhoveni. I know you are angry but the text is from Spinei. Please do not erase references. Eurocentral ( talk) 13:38, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Read these (Hypatian Chronicle is not the only chronicle): V. Spinei, The Romanians and the Turkic NomadsNorth of the Danube Deltafrom the Tenth to theMid-Thirteenth Century Brill, 2009, pp 104-105
S. H. Cross, “Yaroslav the Wise in Norse tradition,” Speculum 4 (1929), pp 186–191
Eurocentral ( talk) 13:41, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Dimnik writes that the land of Bolokhoveni bordered on the principalities of Halych, Volhynia and Kiev in the middle 13th century. What is the problem with a map presenting those three principalities in the same period? Borsoka ( talk) 10:42, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
This is the page of Bolokhoveni. Please do not provoke conficts ! Put the map of Galicia to Galicia Wiki page!
Please respect WIKI rules! Only data abot Bolokhoveni are acceptable. If you create a precedent, there be a revolution in all pages. Tomorrow the the users from Kiev will put their map on this page ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.40.169 ( talk) 13:40, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
This is an attack against normal rules. ONLY DOCUMENTS IN CONNECTION WITH THE TOPIC ARE ADMISIBLE. Your document is about GALICIA and from another ERA ! Read the title of the page and bring documents about Bolokhoveni not about Galicians!
Hi, I am surprised to see this fight about maps. Probably user Borsoka wants to say: "I do not agree with Bolokhoveni history" and put his map in a wrong place. Maybe he is from Galicia. If you read in talk page what he wrote you'll understand his negationist position. Obstructioning Bolokhoveni page with maps from other countries is not a good idea. With best regards, Nicky. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.112.11.92 ( talk) 07:49, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Reasons why the Rus map is not accepted:
1. It is a map of a foreign state
2. It has No data about Bolokhoveni
3. Has a dubious contour
4. It is useless
If we discuss about technical errors:
a. It has not documented data
b. It overlaps a territory that does not belong to Galicia
c. The contour is not found in medieval documents
d. It missed the Uşiţa entering town in Galicia
e. Old documents showed that Andronicus (future Emperor) entered Galicia through Uşiţa; also Spinei showed that Uşiţa was the most advanced Galician town to Southern. So your map is a caricature. Sorry but this is the situation. Eurocentral ( talk) 15:15, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
I've just fully protected this article due to the ongoing edit warring. Please discuss the matter here on the talk page instead of continually reverting. Mark Arsten ( talk) 17:42, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
I am not sure but Borokhov seems to be identical with present-day Borokhiv, Volyns'ka oblast, Ukraine (eastward from city of Lutsk). Fakirbakir ( talk) 12:01, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Yes, Spinei actually writes of Ushitsa and makes it clear that this town was located on the southern border of Halych / Galicia. However, he writes of the town in connection with a military action by Ivan Berladnik and his Cuman and Berladnik allies in 1159. He does not make any reference to Bolokhoveni in connection with the event. Furthermore, he clearly states that the Bolokhoveni lived somewhere to the north-east of Moldavia, not to the south of Halych / Galicia. It is also clear that Spinei does not identify the Bolokhoveni as Vlachs. Therefore any reference to his work in order to prove that the Bolokhoveni lived to the south of Halych contradicts to WP:SYNTH. (I refer to Spinei 2009, pp. 131., 161-162.) Borsoka ( talk) 14:50, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
@ Skirts89:, why do you think the scholarly theory about the Bolokhoveni's association with the Vlachs should not be mentioned in the lead? Please take into account that this is a quite widely accepted theory in Romania. Borsoka ( talk) 17:27, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) b uidh e 22:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Bolokhoveni →
Bolokhovians – There is absolutely no reason to use the romanian-language term where the English one exists: we have no idea how they called themselves. The only available chronickles about them are in Slavic. -
Altenmann
>talk
04:13, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 19:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
An IP user is adding a quote from Choniates's chronicle about the Vlachs' presence at the borders of Halych. As per WP:NOR and WP:SOURCE, the connection between Choniates's Vlachs and the Bolokhovians should be verified with a reference to reliable sources. Borsoka ( talk) 01:30, 30 December 2022 (UTC)