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The list of "famous" bolo tie wearers had a few entries that look more like attempts at self-promotion or something that actual information. I've culled a few, but if there's a reason for them to be on there, don't hesitate to put them back, just give a reason why these people count as famous.
IsaacSapphire ( talk) 03:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Robert Evans did not wear a bolo tie, neither did Colonel Sanders. Robert Evans wore a charm from a belly dancer and Colonel Sanders wore a black bow tie.
This page no longer makes sense. Two adjacent sentences are directly contradictory. Is the bola tie a pioneer creation, or was it invented in 1949?
In Britain they are "bootlace ties" and in America they are "Bolo ties". Why is this entry headed as "Bola tie" when this bastard spelling is not used in either country? I would change the redirection if I knew how.
This should definitely be changed to BOLO instead of BOLA. Brainscar 21:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC) ____________________
Why is bolo and bola interchangeable in this article??
Screen317 05:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Isn't it obvious that "bola" is a contraction of boot lace? Sibruk ( talk) 18:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
No, it's not obvious; it sounds like folk etymology. I'd love to see research either way, though. Also, in New Mexico, you won't hear "bola", you will hear "bolo". Far more research must be done before we can put a definitive answer in the article as to its origins. Having speculative answers is good only as far as they are clearly labeled speculative. -- BlueNight ( talk) 06:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Regardless of the etymology it is a fact that in the UK they are, and always have been, universally known as 'bootlace ties'. Cassandra
WHAT THE HELL IS A BOLO TIE!!!!!
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This article [1] refers to Jack A Weil as an inventor/contributor of/to the bolo (adding the buckle part). The wikipedia article on Jack A Weil also mentions his having a hand in the creation of the bolo. Pklala ( talk) 03:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
There are three tribes in which the article states that it's been their tradition to make bolo tie parts since the mid 20th century. That's only half a century ago. Is it really traditional if it postdates all "Indian Reparations"? Or for that matter, can it really be considered a tradition if the people who started it could still be alive? To be a tradition, don't you need many generations so that it can spread to point where only historians would be able to trace the origins? I'm not suggesting a change outright, but I am a little weirded out at such loose use of the term "tradition." I mean, really, by that definition, "sending people hurdling into orbit on rockets has been an American and Russian tradition since the mid 20th century" or even more valid would be the claim that "Christianity is the traditional religion of the Cherokee tribe". After all, most Cherokees are Christian and it's been that way since even before the mid 20th century. I'd just like some sort of clarification on why it could be considered a "tradition" if my *mother* was a child during the time that's supposedly the origin of the so called "tradition." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.140.6 ( talk) 08:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Good Day, there is an exhibit about Bolo Ties at the Heard Museum in Phoenix. We'd like to post it in Wikipedia so that people who are interested can learn more. I tried to add it to the links but somebody blocked me. Is there some way that we can get that up? Thanks! Deb Krol
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Bolo_tie&action=edit§ion=new# http://www.heard.org/currentexhibits/BolaTies.html NATIVE AMERICAN BOLO TIES - VINTAGE AND CONTEMPORARY ARTISTRY . Exhibit at the Heard Museum, Phoenix, Arizona.
OK but what about the new book on bolo ties? The book resulted from extensive and exhaustive research and would be an addition to your references. The author has lectured about this and really thinks it should be referenced in Wikipedia. He's a buddy of mine and I've sold him bolo ties myself as I'm also an artist. Thanks! Kroldj001 ( talk) 23:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
With the edit of 7 March, the name of the inventor was changed from Victor Cedarstaff to William Mangelsdorf. This looks like vandalism; the editor is anonymous, using an IP address that edited this single article on one single day. The change is not consistent with the information that follows it in the text: the patent referred to is in the name of Victor Cedarstaff, and the subject of the story from Sunset is also Victor Cedarstaff. I hesitate to revert the edit give the number of references to William Mangelsdorf as the inventor on other webpages. However, many of these references seem to have been copied from this article. Can someone with expertise in this area resolve this? Thanks. Jim ( talk) 04:19, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
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The list of "famous" bolo tie wearers had a few entries that look more like attempts at self-promotion or something that actual information. I've culled a few, but if there's a reason for them to be on there, don't hesitate to put them back, just give a reason why these people count as famous.
IsaacSapphire ( talk) 03:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Robert Evans did not wear a bolo tie, neither did Colonel Sanders. Robert Evans wore a charm from a belly dancer and Colonel Sanders wore a black bow tie.
This page no longer makes sense. Two adjacent sentences are directly contradictory. Is the bola tie a pioneer creation, or was it invented in 1949?
In Britain they are "bootlace ties" and in America they are "Bolo ties". Why is this entry headed as "Bola tie" when this bastard spelling is not used in either country? I would change the redirection if I knew how.
This should definitely be changed to BOLO instead of BOLA. Brainscar 21:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC) ____________________
Why is bolo and bola interchangeable in this article??
Screen317 05:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Isn't it obvious that "bola" is a contraction of boot lace? Sibruk ( talk) 18:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
No, it's not obvious; it sounds like folk etymology. I'd love to see research either way, though. Also, in New Mexico, you won't hear "bola", you will hear "bolo". Far more research must be done before we can put a definitive answer in the article as to its origins. Having speculative answers is good only as far as they are clearly labeled speculative. -- BlueNight ( talk) 06:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Regardless of the etymology it is a fact that in the UK they are, and always have been, universally known as 'bootlace ties'. Cassandra
WHAT THE HELL IS A BOLO TIE!!!!!
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BetacommandBot 01:52, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
This article [1] refers to Jack A Weil as an inventor/contributor of/to the bolo (adding the buckle part). The wikipedia article on Jack A Weil also mentions his having a hand in the creation of the bolo. Pklala ( talk) 03:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
There are three tribes in which the article states that it's been their tradition to make bolo tie parts since the mid 20th century. That's only half a century ago. Is it really traditional if it postdates all "Indian Reparations"? Or for that matter, can it really be considered a tradition if the people who started it could still be alive? To be a tradition, don't you need many generations so that it can spread to point where only historians would be able to trace the origins? I'm not suggesting a change outright, but I am a little weirded out at such loose use of the term "tradition." I mean, really, by that definition, "sending people hurdling into orbit on rockets has been an American and Russian tradition since the mid 20th century" or even more valid would be the claim that "Christianity is the traditional religion of the Cherokee tribe". After all, most Cherokees are Christian and it's been that way since even before the mid 20th century. I'd just like some sort of clarification on why it could be considered a "tradition" if my *mother* was a child during the time that's supposedly the origin of the so called "tradition." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.140.6 ( talk) 08:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Good Day, there is an exhibit about Bolo Ties at the Heard Museum in Phoenix. We'd like to post it in Wikipedia so that people who are interested can learn more. I tried to add it to the links but somebody blocked me. Is there some way that we can get that up? Thanks! Deb Krol
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Bolo_tie&action=edit§ion=new# http://www.heard.org/currentexhibits/BolaTies.html NATIVE AMERICAN BOLO TIES - VINTAGE AND CONTEMPORARY ARTISTRY . Exhibit at the Heard Museum, Phoenix, Arizona.
OK but what about the new book on bolo ties? The book resulted from extensive and exhaustive research and would be an addition to your references. The author has lectured about this and really thinks it should be referenced in Wikipedia. He's a buddy of mine and I've sold him bolo ties myself as I'm also an artist. Thanks! Kroldj001 ( talk) 23:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
With the edit of 7 March, the name of the inventor was changed from Victor Cedarstaff to William Mangelsdorf. This looks like vandalism; the editor is anonymous, using an IP address that edited this single article on one single day. The change is not consistent with the information that follows it in the text: the patent referred to is in the name of Victor Cedarstaff, and the subject of the story from Sunset is also Victor Cedarstaff. I hesitate to revert the edit give the number of references to William Mangelsdorf as the inventor on other webpages. However, many of these references seem to have been copied from this article. Can someone with expertise in this area resolve this? Thanks. Jim ( talk) 04:19, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
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