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This addition is starting to cause problems, especially since it's all driven by speculation on a lot of people's parts. RCDB (and most of the coaster community) are relying on images from a drone flight near the park, with no evidence supporting that (1) this track is indeed of the Dive Coaster format or (2) this is even intended for this park—coaster parts have been put in storage before. All we know for certain is that CW is working on a project for a future installation, nothing more. Nevertheless, we have editors warring over this addition. As such, I've removed it pending more data.
RCDB is indeed considered a reliable source for coaster edits, but it's not perfect. Per WP:DEADLINE, there is no rush to add this. It's not our job to be first on the street with rumors and speculation. When Cedar Fair and/or Canada's Wonderland itself announces this, or when evidence becomes more clear-cut, or when another reliable source (such as a local newspaper) appears, then it can be added back.
-- McDoob AU93 19:43, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Despite what this source claims, Nitro was not the first B&M to incorporate magnetic brakes. When it opened in 2001 it only had friction brakes. Early YouTube POV videos show the train coming the brake run and there are no magnetic brakes. They were installed a couple of years after the coaster opened. The earliest Nitro video I could find showing a set of magnetic trims before the main friction brakes is from 2006. The first B&M was likely Silver Star, which opened in 2002 — but those may have been added later also. In 2004, Silver Bullet (Knott's Berry Farm) opened with magnetic brakes, and since then it has become commonplace. Which coaster was actually first is probably not that important, and it is unlikely we will find a reliable source to confirm. Fan blogs are not reliable sources and information obtained from fan websites should be scrutinized before it is added to an article. —JlACEer ( talk) 15:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
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The list is getting out of hand, numbering more than 120 coasters, which consumes a lot of real estate. Considering this isn't a list article, the focus really needs to be on the prose and not on the chart. Instead of an exhaustive list, I've gone ahead and changed it to a "notable" list. Anyone reading the article can visit RCDB using the footnote citation or external link to view all B&M coasters if they really want to see them all. Also if anyone sees one that's missing from the list, or they disagree with one that's listed, feel free to make further changes (and/or discuss here). Thanks. -- GoneIn60 ( talk) 02:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping. I think you're on the right track, but we need to determine what makes a particular coaster "notable" for this. For example, I would include the first installation of a given model, or an install that broke or holds a particular record (such as Fury 325 being the tallest chain-lift coaster in the world). That would pare it down to maybe 20 coasters, roughly. A "List of Bolliger & Mabillard roller coasters" article would certainly be appropriate and linked in this article's subhead. -- McDoob AU93 17:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
I've pared down the list on my sandbox page here so we can cull this down to attractions that truly are notable. Please feel free to comment on the talk page there with rides you think should be added (with a reason why it's notable) or ones that should be removed. -- McDoob AU93 19:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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This addition is starting to cause problems, especially since it's all driven by speculation on a lot of people's parts. RCDB (and most of the coaster community) are relying on images from a drone flight near the park, with no evidence supporting that (1) this track is indeed of the Dive Coaster format or (2) this is even intended for this park—coaster parts have been put in storage before. All we know for certain is that CW is working on a project for a future installation, nothing more. Nevertheless, we have editors warring over this addition. As such, I've removed it pending more data.
RCDB is indeed considered a reliable source for coaster edits, but it's not perfect. Per WP:DEADLINE, there is no rush to add this. It's not our job to be first on the street with rumors and speculation. When Cedar Fair and/or Canada's Wonderland itself announces this, or when evidence becomes more clear-cut, or when another reliable source (such as a local newspaper) appears, then it can be added back.
-- McDoob AU93 19:43, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Despite what this source claims, Nitro was not the first B&M to incorporate magnetic brakes. When it opened in 2001 it only had friction brakes. Early YouTube POV videos show the train coming the brake run and there are no magnetic brakes. They were installed a couple of years after the coaster opened. The earliest Nitro video I could find showing a set of magnetic trims before the main friction brakes is from 2006. The first B&M was likely Silver Star, which opened in 2002 — but those may have been added later also. In 2004, Silver Bullet (Knott's Berry Farm) opened with magnetic brakes, and since then it has become commonplace. Which coaster was actually first is probably not that important, and it is unlikely we will find a reliable source to confirm. Fan blogs are not reliable sources and information obtained from fan websites should be scrutinized before it is added to an article. —JlACEer ( talk) 15:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect
Pre drop and has thus listed it
for discussion. This discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 4#Pre drop until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (
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04:04, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
The list is getting out of hand, numbering more than 120 coasters, which consumes a lot of real estate. Considering this isn't a list article, the focus really needs to be on the prose and not on the chart. Instead of an exhaustive list, I've gone ahead and changed it to a "notable" list. Anyone reading the article can visit RCDB using the footnote citation or external link to view all B&M coasters if they really want to see them all. Also if anyone sees one that's missing from the list, or they disagree with one that's listed, feel free to make further changes (and/or discuss here). Thanks. -- GoneIn60 ( talk) 02:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping. I think you're on the right track, but we need to determine what makes a particular coaster "notable" for this. For example, I would include the first installation of a given model, or an install that broke or holds a particular record (such as Fury 325 being the tallest chain-lift coaster in the world). That would pare it down to maybe 20 coasters, roughly. A "List of Bolliger & Mabillard roller coasters" article would certainly be appropriate and linked in this article's subhead. -- McDoob AU93 17:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
I've pared down the list on my sandbox page here so we can cull this down to attractions that truly are notable. Please feel free to comment on the talk page there with rides you think should be added (with a reason why it's notable) or ones that should be removed. -- McDoob AU93 19:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)