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The research is out there. Off the top of my head, some of this may be borderline theory, rather than known facts.
Stating boldenone makes a good replacement for nandrolone doesn't sound neutral, it sounds like bodybuilder giving advice.
-- October red 20:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
"Doping" is the favouite word of the IOC witch-hunters, and equates steroid use with "dope", i.e. being stupid, and being a junkie. While some of the medical community have gone along with this very subjective, and very negative term, it is nonetheless a propaganda/newspeak word and is not appropriate. "Use in sports and training" is more like it; the tone in this article, as in the Nandrolone one I also looked at, is also implicitly USA-centric in that it buys into the War on Drugs/Steroids, a distinct bias which likes to presume itself the only truth. The tone of both these pages is POV and I'd come back here to try and work on that: but this is notice that "doping" is an offensive term to the user community, and is only a term used by the witch-hunt teams of the IOC and the DEA. Skookum1 17:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Skookum1, doping is used in a much wider sense to mean inserting impurities, see for example Doping (semiconductor). Its use in relation to drugs derives from the nineteenth century or earlier and in fact it's very likely that dopy (meaning stupified) derives from this use, and that and dope meaning a stupid person is an even later derivation from dopy, see Doping in sport#Origin of the term "doping". Whatever the origins of the term, it is so widely and commonly used to refer to adulteration in general and drug use in particular that I can't agree that its use is either perjoritive per se or synonymous with stupidity. Nevertheless, the heading "Use in doping" followed by several other sections withheadings of the form "Use in (insert sport)" doesn't make any sense. I'd suggest that based on the content of the section a more approriate heading would be "Effects on humans"-- Timberframe ( talk) 20:42, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Skookum, while I have some sympathy with your stance on the terminology, your tirade above hasn't actually proposed any improvement in the article, either by commenting on my suggestion or by proposing another. That's what the article talk page is for - improving the article. It's not the place to let off steam - however rightly you are offended. What comes across is, to use your phrase, VERY POV and a violation of WP:soap. I'll change the offending heading and hopefully that will be an end to it. -- Timberframe ( talk) 13:14, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
We really can't say that particular individuals tested positive for an illegal substance without having a reference for them. Please add the citation quickly. -- Selket Talk 21:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
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The research is out there. Off the top of my head, some of this may be borderline theory, rather than known facts.
Stating boldenone makes a good replacement for nandrolone doesn't sound neutral, it sounds like bodybuilder giving advice.
-- October red 20:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
"Doping" is the favouite word of the IOC witch-hunters, and equates steroid use with "dope", i.e. being stupid, and being a junkie. While some of the medical community have gone along with this very subjective, and very negative term, it is nonetheless a propaganda/newspeak word and is not appropriate. "Use in sports and training" is more like it; the tone in this article, as in the Nandrolone one I also looked at, is also implicitly USA-centric in that it buys into the War on Drugs/Steroids, a distinct bias which likes to presume itself the only truth. The tone of both these pages is POV and I'd come back here to try and work on that: but this is notice that "doping" is an offensive term to the user community, and is only a term used by the witch-hunt teams of the IOC and the DEA. Skookum1 17:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Skookum1, doping is used in a much wider sense to mean inserting impurities, see for example Doping (semiconductor). Its use in relation to drugs derives from the nineteenth century or earlier and in fact it's very likely that dopy (meaning stupified) derives from this use, and that and dope meaning a stupid person is an even later derivation from dopy, see Doping in sport#Origin of the term "doping". Whatever the origins of the term, it is so widely and commonly used to refer to adulteration in general and drug use in particular that I can't agree that its use is either perjoritive per se or synonymous with stupidity. Nevertheless, the heading "Use in doping" followed by several other sections withheadings of the form "Use in (insert sport)" doesn't make any sense. I'd suggest that based on the content of the section a more approriate heading would be "Effects on humans"-- Timberframe ( talk) 20:42, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Skookum, while I have some sympathy with your stance on the terminology, your tirade above hasn't actually proposed any improvement in the article, either by commenting on my suggestion or by proposing another. That's what the article talk page is for - improving the article. It's not the place to let off steam - however rightly you are offended. What comes across is, to use your phrase, VERY POV and a violation of WP:soap. I'll change the offending heading and hopefully that will be an end to it. -- Timberframe ( talk) 13:14, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
We really can't say that particular individuals tested positive for an illegal substance without having a reference for them. Please add the citation quickly. -- Selket Talk 21:50, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
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