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I've done some work on it, just some of the quick fixes to begin with but I'll address the entire list and make some general updates based on the info you cited. I'll also work really hard to make it more accessible, my biggest problem is that I've been a wrestling fan for 18 years now so I'm not always sure what terms need to be explained - but I'll run through it and try to look at it from a "non-wrestling" point of view. This is the first article I've brought to GA and all in all I'm pleased there weren't any horrible things wrong with it, you've definitly provided insight into my future edits as well. MPJ-DK 10:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Alright I think I'm done updating the article, I've addressed all the specific issues you've mentioned, tried to update according to WP:MOS and put some work into making it less "wrestling-centric" by explaining terms and not using too many different terms about the same thing. I hope it's enough, I'm stumped as to what else to update, so if you could please look at it again and give me your honest opinion on the article's current state. Thanks MPJ-DK 08:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
After further review, though the article has come a long way since the nomination, it is not quite GA. I commend the editor's on their orignial work as the article was well sourced and had a large amount of content. I also commend them on their upgrades through the GA process. However, I have made quite a few minor edits and will give a list of a few more changes that need to be made to get this through GA. After making these changes (should not take long), fell free to re-submit for GA.
Fails the well written component of GA:
Otherwise I did all the edits under wrestling career.
It will then sail through GA and be well on its way to FA. Aboutmovies 19:36, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I have started my review of the article, however I do not have time to complete it right now. I have noted that the article needs a good copy-edit before it can achieve GA. Prose needs to be improved with regards to flow. Additionally, the use (or lack there of) of commas between independent clauses needs to be corrected. I will continue my review later tonight. Lara ♥Love 19:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Okay, here you go:
Not much, a bit of English to rework, but a well cited article. The Rambling Man 15:15, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Done above points. Davnel03 18:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe this article now meets GA criteria and have listed it as such. Thank you for all your hard work. In improving this article, you have improved Wikipedia. Regards, Lara ♥Love 03:27, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe this article is pretty much ready to be nominated for FAC, but there's one issue - only one picture. I did a few searches and could not find any more FU pictures. Gavyn Sykes 18:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I think the article is ready to be nominated, as well. The few minor things that needed to be fixed have been addressed. I do think, however, we should wait until December to Dismember (2006) and Shelton Benjamin have either passed or failed their nominations. We don't want to overwhelm the Featured Article reviewers with wrestling articles. I don't think it would hurt its chances if we went ahead and nominated it, but why risk it? Nikki311 01:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I came across this article that mentions that Mickie James was trained at Bobby Eaton's training camp. Does anybody else know anything about this camp and whether or not anybody else notable trained there? I just skimmed through Eaton's article and didn't see it mentioned. If any more information can be found regarding this, I think it should be added, but if James is the only person we can find that trained there, I think it is okay to leave it out. Any thoughts on this? Nikki311 04:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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Cool feature article today! The only thing missing, I would say, is a list of Bobby Eaton's signature wrestling moves. Could such a list be added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.44.62.158 ( talk) 14:36, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Tagging
{{Unreliable sources}}
here. Online World of Wrestling is not a reliable source according to
WP:PW/RS There might be other unreliable sources that are unnoticed by me. Thanks. THE NEW
ImmortalWizard
(chat) 19:17, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
{{Unreliable sources?}}
? And OWOW is used multiple times, not just once, look at ref [1]. THE NEW
ImmortalWizard
(chat) 16:47, 16 February 2019 (UTC)MPJ-DK, I would suggest you reading Wikipedia:Guidance on source reviewing at FAC. THE NEW ImmortalWizard (chat) 20:58, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
verifying sources and using reliable are as equally valued as quality content, notability and comprehensiveness.yup you are right, that's why all of that gets checked for as part of the Feature Article Candiate process. Am I objecting to certain minor stuff being tagged? Nah that's all normal processing - but to start talking about this article being in so poor shape it needs a Reassessment is blowing it way out of proportion. Especially when it is something that is fairly easily addressed by anyone who cares enough to put in the effort. MPJ-DK ( talk) 23:02, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
The Missing section is missing. He was missing in life in 2016. Missing information about missing can be found in some of the earlier versions. The missing part is notable I think and it shouldn't be missing. THE NEW ImmortalWizard (chat) 19:44, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Looking at this as part of the ongoing sweeps of older FAs, and I'm seeing some issues here. The material about going missing is uncited/failed verification and should definitely be cited per WP:BLP as possibly controversial. I'm not even sure if it truly warrants a mention. Wrestling-titles is listed at WP:PW/RS as "unproven", does this source meet the high-quality RS requirement for FA? Wrestlingfigs.com is cited at one point (publisher not in citation, its the "Here is a statement from Bobby Eaton" source. Is this RS? Is Solie's Vintage Wrestling RS? Kayfabe Memories does not look like RS, and is listed as unreliable at PW/RS. There is a self-published book cited (the CreateSpace one, CS is a self-publisher). It appears that Archeus Communications has only published books by Gary Will and I can find basically nothing about it online, which makes me wonder if there's really much editorial oversight going on with that source. A number of the book sources also lack page numbers, which is needed for verification. This needs significant work, and a featured article review may be necessary. Hog Farm Talk 21:30, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
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Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far.
I've done some work on it, just some of the quick fixes to begin with but I'll address the entire list and make some general updates based on the info you cited. I'll also work really hard to make it more accessible, my biggest problem is that I've been a wrestling fan for 18 years now so I'm not always sure what terms need to be explained - but I'll run through it and try to look at it from a "non-wrestling" point of view. This is the first article I've brought to GA and all in all I'm pleased there weren't any horrible things wrong with it, you've definitly provided insight into my future edits as well. MPJ-DK 10:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Alright I think I'm done updating the article, I've addressed all the specific issues you've mentioned, tried to update according to WP:MOS and put some work into making it less "wrestling-centric" by explaining terms and not using too many different terms about the same thing. I hope it's enough, I'm stumped as to what else to update, so if you could please look at it again and give me your honest opinion on the article's current state. Thanks MPJ-DK 08:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
After further review, though the article has come a long way since the nomination, it is not quite GA. I commend the editor's on their orignial work as the article was well sourced and had a large amount of content. I also commend them on their upgrades through the GA process. However, I have made quite a few minor edits and will give a list of a few more changes that need to be made to get this through GA. After making these changes (should not take long), fell free to re-submit for GA.
Fails the well written component of GA:
Otherwise I did all the edits under wrestling career.
It will then sail through GA and be well on its way to FA. Aboutmovies 19:36, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I have started my review of the article, however I do not have time to complete it right now. I have noted that the article needs a good copy-edit before it can achieve GA. Prose needs to be improved with regards to flow. Additionally, the use (or lack there of) of commas between independent clauses needs to be corrected. I will continue my review later tonight. Lara ♥Love 19:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Okay, here you go:
Not much, a bit of English to rework, but a well cited article. The Rambling Man 15:15, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Done above points. Davnel03 18:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe this article now meets GA criteria and have listed it as such. Thank you for all your hard work. In improving this article, you have improved Wikipedia. Regards, Lara ♥Love 03:27, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe this article is pretty much ready to be nominated for FAC, but there's one issue - only one picture. I did a few searches and could not find any more FU pictures. Gavyn Sykes 18:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I think the article is ready to be nominated, as well. The few minor things that needed to be fixed have been addressed. I do think, however, we should wait until December to Dismember (2006) and Shelton Benjamin have either passed or failed their nominations. We don't want to overwhelm the Featured Article reviewers with wrestling articles. I don't think it would hurt its chances if we went ahead and nominated it, but why risk it? Nikki311 01:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I came across this article that mentions that Mickie James was trained at Bobby Eaton's training camp. Does anybody else know anything about this camp and whether or not anybody else notable trained there? I just skimmed through Eaton's article and didn't see it mentioned. If any more information can be found regarding this, I think it should be added, but if James is the only person we can find that trained there, I think it is okay to leave it out. Any thoughts on this? Nikki311 04:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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Cool feature article today! The only thing missing, I would say, is a list of Bobby Eaton's signature wrestling moves. Could such a list be added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.44.62.158 ( talk) 14:36, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Tagging
{{Unreliable sources}}
here. Online World of Wrestling is not a reliable source according to
WP:PW/RS There might be other unreliable sources that are unnoticed by me. Thanks. THE NEW
ImmortalWizard
(chat) 19:17, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
{{Unreliable sources?}}
? And OWOW is used multiple times, not just once, look at ref [1]. THE NEW
ImmortalWizard
(chat) 16:47, 16 February 2019 (UTC)MPJ-DK, I would suggest you reading Wikipedia:Guidance on source reviewing at FAC. THE NEW ImmortalWizard (chat) 20:58, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
verifying sources and using reliable are as equally valued as quality content, notability and comprehensiveness.yup you are right, that's why all of that gets checked for as part of the Feature Article Candiate process. Am I objecting to certain minor stuff being tagged? Nah that's all normal processing - but to start talking about this article being in so poor shape it needs a Reassessment is blowing it way out of proportion. Especially when it is something that is fairly easily addressed by anyone who cares enough to put in the effort. MPJ-DK ( talk) 23:02, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
The Missing section is missing. He was missing in life in 2016. Missing information about missing can be found in some of the earlier versions. The missing part is notable I think and it shouldn't be missing. THE NEW ImmortalWizard (chat) 19:44, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Looking at this as part of the ongoing sweeps of older FAs, and I'm seeing some issues here. The material about going missing is uncited/failed verification and should definitely be cited per WP:BLP as possibly controversial. I'm not even sure if it truly warrants a mention. Wrestling-titles is listed at WP:PW/RS as "unproven", does this source meet the high-quality RS requirement for FA? Wrestlingfigs.com is cited at one point (publisher not in citation, its the "Here is a statement from Bobby Eaton" source. Is this RS? Is Solie's Vintage Wrestling RS? Kayfabe Memories does not look like RS, and is listed as unreliable at PW/RS. There is a self-published book cited (the CreateSpace one, CS is a self-publisher). It appears that Archeus Communications has only published books by Gary Will and I can find basically nothing about it online, which makes me wonder if there's really much editorial oversight going on with that source. A number of the book sources also lack page numbers, which is needed for verification. This needs significant work, and a featured article review may be necessary. Hog Farm Talk 21:30, 2 June 2021 (UTC)