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I'm trying to add context of the investigations as they purport to involve Ney. As such, I removed this statment:
It may belong in the main Abramoff scandal article. -- Ej0c 18:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
The original authors made no attempt at a proper encyclopedic introduction of Bob Ney the lifelong public servant. Instead they have chosen to make this article merely about a 5 month old investigation with only a smattering of information on the man as a whole.
I've tried to add a couple small things to add context to this non-encyclopedic smear piece. I can't claim to have the ability to make it encyclopedic, but I will continue to try to place the stuff of high-emotion allegations into some sort of meaningful context. -- Ej0c 02:22, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, we seem to have gone from incendiary blogger post to law review news of note. There must be some happy middle which spells out the story in a way that helps the students of America understand what is really going on here. I'm not saying that this is purely a case of a con now claiming what he will to get time off (see plea bargain ) and a excited prosecutorial team jumping at the chance to be famous. But I'm also shocked to learn that Bob Ney even plays golf. There just isn't that much time when you fly 700 miles and cover a district as large as the 18th every weekend. Can't we tell students something more about the case of the high rolling fibber vs. the man once named "Poorest Congressman"? -- Ej0c 23:10, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
As for your surprise that Bob Ney plays golf, check out http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/?q=node/90 -- and see the "Bob Ney for Congress" golf tees. As the blog says: "unbelievable." -- Sholom 21:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I had to remove the following. It doesn't even pretend to have any significance to students of Bob Ney. -- Ej0c 02:28, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. John Broughton 17:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I replaced the warning at the top of the Abramoff section. Wikipedia should not be in the business of repeating the slander and speculation which has become acceptible in the nation's newspapers. If the poor journalism of declaring 12 minors alive is not enough of a wake-up call, I refer you to the many, many later disproven pronouncements in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.
Echoing up to the minute guessing by unnamed sources and biased news sources should never be Wikipedia's standard. -- Ej0c 16:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Inserting links to everyday terms like emails, tribe, and golf should be avoided. It hinders reading. -- Ej0c 16:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
The line concerning the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) is really non-POV. CREW is definitely a liberal group as can be gleaned from their http://www.citizensforethics.org/activities/index.php page. All activities center on attacking members of the Republican party. Opposing the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (SBVT:most likely a conservative backed group) is an example of deviating from their stated cause. If the line is to be left in, it should be noted that the group makes a habit of primarily attacking conservative and Republican issues/persons. 138.145.211.130 13:33, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
By the way, I should say a word on behalf of my friend Eva Lunder, economic develoment director for Belmont county. I doubt she would appreciate the international plug of Bellaire as "an aging industrial town on the Ohio"! :-) Nonetheless, it would seem to adequately represent to young'uns the constituency and the problems Ney usually works to overcome. -- Ej0c 22:29, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm inclined to move the contents of this brief section to the Political career section, and delete the section title. But I'd like some feedback first - thoughts of others? John Broughton 18:58, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
This article has simply become silly. It has no relation whatsoever to the traditional form of an encyclopedia article. Instead, it is merely a platform for people to play a little game of making unproven charges more public while pretending to stick to "NPOV". (Anyone who attempts to add context will of course be "Non-NPOV").
An article about Bob Ney should be mostly about Bob Ney - not about the accusations of admitted felons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ej0c ( talk • contribs)
As a convicted and imprisoned U.S. Congressman, I have added Mr. Ney to the appropriate WikiProject. Jusdafax 00:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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I'm trying to add context of the investigations as they purport to involve Ney. As such, I removed this statment:
It may belong in the main Abramoff scandal article. -- Ej0c 18:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
The original authors made no attempt at a proper encyclopedic introduction of Bob Ney the lifelong public servant. Instead they have chosen to make this article merely about a 5 month old investigation with only a smattering of information on the man as a whole.
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Well, we seem to have gone from incendiary blogger post to law review news of note. There must be some happy middle which spells out the story in a way that helps the students of America understand what is really going on here. I'm not saying that this is purely a case of a con now claiming what he will to get time off (see plea bargain ) and a excited prosecutorial team jumping at the chance to be famous. But I'm also shocked to learn that Bob Ney even plays golf. There just isn't that much time when you fly 700 miles and cover a district as large as the 18th every weekend. Can't we tell students something more about the case of the high rolling fibber vs. the man once named "Poorest Congressman"? -- Ej0c 23:10, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
As for your surprise that Bob Ney plays golf, check out http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/?q=node/90 -- and see the "Bob Ney for Congress" golf tees. As the blog says: "unbelievable." -- Sholom 21:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I had to remove the following. It doesn't even pretend to have any significance to students of Bob Ney. -- Ej0c 02:28, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. John Broughton 17:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I replaced the warning at the top of the Abramoff section. Wikipedia should not be in the business of repeating the slander and speculation which has become acceptible in the nation's newspapers. If the poor journalism of declaring 12 minors alive is not enough of a wake-up call, I refer you to the many, many later disproven pronouncements in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.
Echoing up to the minute guessing by unnamed sources and biased news sources should never be Wikipedia's standard. -- Ej0c 16:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Inserting links to everyday terms like emails, tribe, and golf should be avoided. It hinders reading. -- Ej0c 16:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
The line concerning the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) is really non-POV. CREW is definitely a liberal group as can be gleaned from their http://www.citizensforethics.org/activities/index.php page. All activities center on attacking members of the Republican party. Opposing the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (SBVT:most likely a conservative backed group) is an example of deviating from their stated cause. If the line is to be left in, it should be noted that the group makes a habit of primarily attacking conservative and Republican issues/persons. 138.145.211.130 13:33, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
By the way, I should say a word on behalf of my friend Eva Lunder, economic develoment director for Belmont county. I doubt she would appreciate the international plug of Bellaire as "an aging industrial town on the Ohio"! :-) Nonetheless, it would seem to adequately represent to young'uns the constituency and the problems Ney usually works to overcome. -- Ej0c 22:29, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm inclined to move the contents of this brief section to the Political career section, and delete the section title. But I'd like some feedback first - thoughts of others? John Broughton 18:58, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
This article has simply become silly. It has no relation whatsoever to the traditional form of an encyclopedia article. Instead, it is merely a platform for people to play a little game of making unproven charges more public while pretending to stick to "NPOV". (Anyone who attempts to add context will of course be "Non-NPOV").
An article about Bob Ney should be mostly about Bob Ney - not about the accusations of admitted felons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ej0c ( talk • contribs)
As a convicted and imprisoned U.S. Congressman, I have added Mr. Ney to the appropriate WikiProject. Jusdafax 00:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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