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Hey, how about some discussion on the songs? Dylan's supposed to be the greatest songwriter of all-time but reading these pages leaves me nothing on how that came to be. For example there's only two originals on his debut but I know at least one of them used a melody from an old folk song. Dylan did that quite a bit as did most folk artists. How about some lyrical analysis too?
Re: third comment: A putative "long tradition" of "talking blues" is utterly beside the point. The track in question is nevertheless not only "tuneless", but devoid of music altogether and thus not actually a song at all. In fact, it's obviously, rather, a comedy monologue. (You'll notice how Zimmerman includes spoken introductions--stage patter--for a number of the tracks here. This one just happens to be ALL patter.) Of course Zimmerman gets this sort of thing not from any "long tradition", but directly from Woody Guthrie. TheScotch ( talk) 08:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
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15. "Roll On John" (live) Traditional, arranged by Bob Dylan 3:16 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [7]) 16. "Hard Times In New York" (live) Bob Dylan 2:32 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [11]) 17. "Smokestack Lightning" (live) Chester Burnett aka Howlin' Wolf 3:03 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [3]) 18. "Stealin' Stealin'" (live) G. Gannon 3:24 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [10]) 19. "Baby, Please Don't Go" (live) J. Williams 2:19 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [8]) 20. "The Death of Emmett Till" (live) Bob Dylan 5:11 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [5]) 21. "Man On the Street" (live) Bob Dylan 2:25 (Gaslight Café, New York City, New York, September 1961 [1]) 22. "Omie Wise" (live) Traditional 4:02 (WRVR-FM Radio, Riverside Church, New York City, New York, 29 July 1961 [2]) 23. "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right" (live) Bob Dylan 3:21 (Gaslight Café, New York City, New York, 15 October 1962 [3]) 24. "The Girl I Left Behind" (live) Traditional, arranged by Bob Dylan 5:39 (WNYC Radio Studio, New York City, New York, 29 October 1961, Oscar Brand’s Folk Song Festival [2]) 25. "Blowin' in the Wind" (live) Bob Dylan 2:29 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, May 1962 [3])
Source: Björner, Olof. Olof's Files: A Bob Dylan Performance Guide. Ottery St. Mary, Devon: Hardinge Simpole, 2002- 9781843820413 http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/56355580
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The first album was released in April 1962.
Many sources are wrong on that.
See Cash Box April 7 1962
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FONmMMNXEAA3Zk_?format=jpg&name=large
https://twitter.com/dagbraathen/status/1505159768901664768/photo/2
If anyone knows how to edit to Wikipedia standards... Htrowsle ( talk) 10:30, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
It’s misleading to say, as the article currently does, that Carolyn “Hester had invited Dylan to the session [her first album for Columbia] as a harmonica player.” According to Hester herself, Zimmerman had petitioned her to let him play guitar on the album. When she refused, he asked if could play harmonica instead and she relented. He’s on only two tracks. TheScotch ( talk) 08:46, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Since the article discusses the liner notes already, it seems to me that something should be said about their outrageous lack of veracity. The liner notes state, for example, that “for six troubled months, Bob attended the University of Minnesota on a scholarship.” In fact, Zimmerman never attended, never enrolled, and did not have a scholarship. (This is just an example—and not even the most egregious.) TheScotch ( talk) 08:55, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
An arrangement cannot change in remastering. The convention, as per every other song listed, is for no arrangement credit where there is an author (as opposed to a traditional song). The arrangement credit should either be deleted or be changed to McDowell or Dylan but not both. The footnotes do not support the arrangement credit as described. If the intention was to state that the more recent (remastered) release of the song credits Dylan as arranger, then perhaps (if an arrangement credit is to be listed at all) that is the one to use. But to distinguish a remastered version from the prior master of the exact same recording in such a way as to state that the two versions have a different arrangement makes no sense. 2603:7000:3400:29E1:6417:7B1D:79C2:FB84 ( talk) 15:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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Hey, how about some discussion on the songs? Dylan's supposed to be the greatest songwriter of all-time but reading these pages leaves me nothing on how that came to be. For example there's only two originals on his debut but I know at least one of them used a melody from an old folk song. Dylan did that quite a bit as did most folk artists. How about some lyrical analysis too?
Re: third comment: A putative "long tradition" of "talking blues" is utterly beside the point. The track in question is nevertheless not only "tuneless", but devoid of music altogether and thus not actually a song at all. In fact, it's obviously, rather, a comedy monologue. (You'll notice how Zimmerman includes spoken introductions--stage patter--for a number of the tracks here. This one just happens to be ALL patter.) Of course Zimmerman gets this sort of thing not from any "long tradition", but directly from Woody Guthrie. TheScotch ( talk) 08:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
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15. "Roll On John" (live) Traditional, arranged by Bob Dylan 3:16 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [7]) 16. "Hard Times In New York" (live) Bob Dylan 2:32 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [11]) 17. "Smokestack Lightning" (live) Chester Burnett aka Howlin' Wolf 3:03 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [3]) 18. "Stealin' Stealin'" (live) G. Gannon 3:24 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [10]) 19. "Baby, Please Don't Go" (live) J. Williams 2:19 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [8]) 20. "The Death of Emmett Till" (live) Bob Dylan 5:11 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, 13 January 1962, Cynthia Gooding radio show. [5]) 21. "Man On the Street" (live) Bob Dylan 2:25 (Gaslight Café, New York City, New York, September 1961 [1]) 22. "Omie Wise" (live) Traditional 4:02 (WRVR-FM Radio, Riverside Church, New York City, New York, 29 July 1961 [2]) 23. "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right" (live) Bob Dylan 3:21 (Gaslight Café, New York City, New York, 15 October 1962 [3]) 24. "The Girl I Left Behind" (live) Traditional, arranged by Bob Dylan 5:39 (WNYC Radio Studio, New York City, New York, 29 October 1961, Oscar Brand’s Folk Song Festival [2]) 25. "Blowin' in the Wind" (live) Bob Dylan 2:29 (WBAI Studios, New York City, New York, May 1962 [3])
Source: Björner, Olof. Olof's Files: A Bob Dylan Performance Guide. Ottery St. Mary, Devon: Hardinge Simpole, 2002- 9781843820413 http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/56355580
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The first album was released in April 1962.
Many sources are wrong on that.
See Cash Box April 7 1962
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FONmMMNXEAA3Zk_?format=jpg&name=large
https://twitter.com/dagbraathen/status/1505159768901664768/photo/2
If anyone knows how to edit to Wikipedia standards... Htrowsle ( talk) 10:30, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
It’s misleading to say, as the article currently does, that Carolyn “Hester had invited Dylan to the session [her first album for Columbia] as a harmonica player.” According to Hester herself, Zimmerman had petitioned her to let him play guitar on the album. When she refused, he asked if could play harmonica instead and she relented. He’s on only two tracks. TheScotch ( talk) 08:46, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Since the article discusses the liner notes already, it seems to me that something should be said about their outrageous lack of veracity. The liner notes state, for example, that “for six troubled months, Bob attended the University of Minnesota on a scholarship.” In fact, Zimmerman never attended, never enrolled, and did not have a scholarship. (This is just an example—and not even the most egregious.) TheScotch ( talk) 08:55, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
An arrangement cannot change in remastering. The convention, as per every other song listed, is for no arrangement credit where there is an author (as opposed to a traditional song). The arrangement credit should either be deleted or be changed to McDowell or Dylan but not both. The footnotes do not support the arrangement credit as described. If the intention was to state that the more recent (remastered) release of the song credits Dylan as arranger, then perhaps (if an arrangement credit is to be listed at all) that is the one to use. But to distinguish a remastered version from the prior master of the exact same recording in such a way as to state that the two versions have a different arrangement makes no sense. 2603:7000:3400:29E1:6417:7B1D:79C2:FB84 ( talk) 15:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)