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"These schools take in some students as boarders and other students as semi-boarders, who would only attend school hours in the day alongside boarders and then return to their homes."
In what sense are "semi-boarders" boarders? According to this definition they are day pupils, exactly like in a day school.
"These schools might also admit some students as day-boarders. These pupils would have meals at school along with attending classes, but they live off-campus."
Does this mean that there are people who would have three meals a day on school premises, and then go home? I'm not sure what the point of that would be. If you use this term, it suggests that the definition of "boarder" is someone who takes three meals a day at the school - I always assumed it meant someone who resides at the school for some or all of term time.
"On the other hand, quasi-boarders have a different view of boarding schools as compared to most usual boarders (full term boarders), who would only go back to their homes either at the end of a term or by the end of an academic year."
As I understand it, this is hopelessly out of date. For the last few decades all schools (at least in Britain) have had half term intervals, and absolutely nobody stays for these. Moreover, there tend to be exeats, which are weekend times at which everyone leaves the campus. When I was there (early-mid 1990s), the only people who "only go back to their homes either at the end of a term or by the end of an academic year" were people from overseas, who had special accommodation arranged for them during exeats and half term.
There's also no direct mention of the weekly boarder (stay for the week and go home at weekends), which is the sort I was - I guess this is a kind of quasi-boarder? -- Smjg 12:46, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This article might seem out of date when selectively compared to some experimental schools and elite prep schools. However this article is valid when taking into account the systems common to boarding schools around the entire world. Robin klein 03:41, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
An encyclopedia article has to cater to diverse readers. For those who have been to boarding schools this article might seem vague or even odd with all the details or the rooms and the various "types of boarders". But if one was to talk to people who have never seen/been to boarding schools, then the basic information they ask are those that might be considered mundane. Like different boarding schools and different systems and functioning, different schedules of going back to ones homes eg: pupils who visit homes every weekend; those on the other hand who return home at the end of a semester or term, etc....
Considering that many people have not been/seen a boarding school, traditional or newer ones, mundane and seemingly redundant information like "storehouse" and "bunk beds" is important detail.
While writing an article for an encyclopedia, one has to be general, especially considering an international readership. Writing a general or "universal" article about education systems or the like is an imperfect task, where variations are diverse. And most often the best option is to detail the mundane information, the traditional aspects, and from a general perspective and in this case a very broad perspective across developed and developing countries. Robin klein 04:50, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
These terms are not all inaccurate, googling gives this:
please verify before passing off anything as factually inaccurate.
In American english Day boy is common, however in British english Day scholar and Day boarder is commonly used, as per the students life at school.
Robin klein 14:59, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Of the first 10 hits for "Day boarders" all were either part of the expression 5-day boarders, meaning students who boarded 5 days a week or were about horses. The expression "Day boarders" has no curancy in the U.S. I went to two boarding schools one for grades 6-9 and one for grades 10-12. I had friends that went to at least 15 other boarding schools. I have never heard the expression "Day boarders" unmodified. Steph swhought@fcsl.edu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.150.94.194 ( talk) 18:27, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I beg to differ that "Day boy" is a common phrase in the US. I went to an American boarding school, I live in New England where there are many boarding schools nearby. I've never heard the term "day boy" - we refer to students who attend but don't board as "Day Students." -- CountryMama27 ( talk) 18:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
It is sorry that the term "Total institution" sounds sinister. However it is the term used for these institutions by social scientists in social sciences literature, eg: Psychology, sociology, anthropology etc. So it is definitely neutral or NPOV.
However, the term Total Institution is not all that sinister it has 14,500 hits on the google -- Robin klein 15:21, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
This whole article is written in a messy and confusing manner, and seems to be 50 years out of date in everything it says, both about the structure of boarding schools, and their use/popularity in various countries. Is there an informed person who can overhaul it? 11:12, 20 December 2005 (UTC) (Skittle) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 57.66.51.165 ( talk) 11:12, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
The section on the U.S. is so incomplete as to be inaccurate. The United States has a well-developed network of independent, private secondary schools, both religiously affiliated and otherwise, boarding and day. Many are modeled after the British public school, especially in atmosphere. Let's get cracking, chaps! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.237.136.88 ( talk) 06:56, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
My House adviser when I was talking to him once mentioned a term that gave him 'parental authority' over me signed over by my parents (and the parents of all boarders). My memory says that the term was Parental Locus but I can't seem to find it elsewhere on google, is anyone aware of the proper term that I am looking for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Falieson ( talk • contribs) 00:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
There should be a section about bedtime, or lights-out. Angie Y. 23:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that the use of boarding schools as an attack upon indigenous cultures is a very important issue that may need more coverage from a historical perspective in this article (is this still happening?). At the same time, this article has an overall atmosphere of "modernity" that puts an excessive emphasis on social theory without any real scientific basis. In particular I take issue with the supposed benefits of prolonging childhood by keeping children within the family structure past adolescence. Is there any evidence, aside from the very factual dominance of the ruling classes, for the positive or negative effects of boarding schools? Any social practice can be done well or poorly. Since all issues associated with human society are highly complex, we must strive much harder not to make statements that are more fashionable than factual.
Speaking as a father whose children did not go to preparatory boarding schools, I think that we need to recognize that many boys and/or girls need a broader perspective than their (often disrespected) families can provide as they reach the fledgling stages of adolescence. There is a very deep and well documented history of this kind of cultural education, from the extended initiations of the australian aborigines (and other indigenous peoples) to the upper class boarding schools of the British. The main reason that my children did not go to boarding schools was expense, and it needs to be noted in this article that - mostly - boarding schools are the prerogative of the well-to-do.
Coming of age is a very difficult period in all times and in all places for people. Getting away from the idiosyncracies of any particular (amateur) family is one way of facilitating the process. I am writing this on the "talk" page because I am not prepared to do the research and find the citations to improve this article myself. Instead, I may take the lazier approach of asking for citations with every questionable assertion. Bob 00:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
i am doing a project on boarding schools and i was wondering if there was any good websites that i could go on that would be great
-- 89.100.67.233 14:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)bobbi-- 89.100.67.233 14:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I have decided to try and improve this article. I will present my proposed change here first and if no one objects with in 24 hours I will proceed with the proposed change.
Starting with the opening section I propose to substitute this
“A boarding school is a school where some or all pupils not only study, but also live, with their fellow student and the teachers. The word 'boarding' in this sense means to provide food and lodging.
Many public schools in the Commonwealth of Nations and private schools in the US are boarding schools. The amount of time one spends in boarding school varies considerably from one year to twelve or more years. Boarding school pupils may spend the majority of their childhood and adolescent life away from their parents, although pupils return home during the holidays.”
For the curent text with is as follows
“A boarding school is an educational institution where some or all pupils not only study, but they also live, amongst their peers. The word 'boarding' in this sense means to provide food and lodging.
Many public schools in the Commonwealth of Nations and private schools in the US are boarding schools. The amount of time one spends in boarding school varies considerably from one year to twelve or more years. Boarding school pupils may spend the majority of their childhood and adolescent life away from their parents, although pupils return home during the holidays.
Pupils may be sent to boarding schools at any ages up to eighteen.’
My reasons for the changes are as follows.
“educational institution” is awkward bureaucratic language meaning school. Nor is there a problem with using school in the definition of boarding school because school is the genus, boarding the differentia.
I got rid of the last sentence because it is untrue. Students at colleges and universities with on campus housing are often over 18 and are at a boarding school as we define it. In the long run different types of boarding school need to be differentiated and probably we need sub-pages, but for now we need to keep thing broad. 70.150.94.194 20:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I believe that the next thing we need to do after the introductory paragraph is to diferentiate between types of boarding schools. I propose the following.
“Boarding school are of several types.
Independent Boarding Schools with students of primary or secondary school age. These are what most people think of when they here the words boarding school.
Colleges and universities with residence halls though not often thought of as boarding schools, they are technically a form of boarding school.
Therapeutic schools which provide clinical inpatient services for students with disabilities, such as severe anxiety disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder, Asperger's syndrome, and/or for students with substance abuse and socialization problems.
Residential schools for students with Special Educational Needs, who may or may not be disabled.
Specialist schools, such as choir schools or stage schools.
The Israeli kibbutzim, where children stay and get educated in a commune, but also have everyday contact with their parents at specified hours.”
70.150.94.194 20:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
This sure doesn't look very relevant...Promotion of the school. Elainexe 15:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
This article only seems to promote the negative aspects and stigma associated with boarding school. It doesn't really mention the positive aspects of such an education. Could someone balance this article out a bit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.49.25.229 ( talk) 06:11, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
"It is claimed that children may be sent to boarding schools to give more opportunities than their family can provide. In the United States for example, families interested in having their children raised in an environmentally sustainable community, prefer college prep boarding schools like Scattergood Friends School where living sustainably is a way of life." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.49.25.229 ( talk) 06:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it time to add a section on the history of boarding school? What do you think? 70.150.94.194 00:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Unless there is some objection I am going substitute this
“Some boarding schools have only boarding students, while others have both boarding students and day students who go home at the end of the school day. Day students are often known as day-boys or day-girls. Many schools also have students who board during the week but go home on weekends these are known as weekly boarders or five-day-boarders.”
“Day students and weekly boarders may have a distinct view of day school system, as compared to most other children who attend day schools without any boarding facilities. These students relate to a boarding school life, even though they do not totally reside in school; however, they may not completely become part of the boarding school experience. On the other hand, these students have a different view of boarding schools as compared to full term boarders who go home less frequently often only at the end of a term or even the end of an academic year.”
For this
“The following terminology is not applicable in the UK, as to which please see above) Some schools are semi-boarding schools (part day school and part boarding school). These schools take in some students as boarders and other students as semi-boarders, who would only attend school hours in the day alongside boarders and then return to their homes. These schools might also admit some students as day-boarders. These pupils would have meals at school along with attending classes, but they live off-campus. There are also quasi-boarders, who stay in boarding school but return to their families at mid-week and at weekends. Semi-boarders and day-boarders (collectively called as boarding-day scholars) have a distinct view of day school system, as compared to most other children who attend complete day schools without any boarding facilities. These students relate to a boarding school life, even though they do not totally reside in school; however, they do not completely become part of the boarding school experience. On the other hand, quasi-boarders have a different view of boarding schools as compared to full term boarders, who would only go back to their homes either at the end of a term or even the end of an academic year.”
I think my version is better because it uses more self explanatory words and less jargon. Also some of the current version is just wrong. (see above talk) If any one objects within 24 hours I will refrain from the change otherwise, I will go ahead with it. 70.150.94.194 16:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Dear Robin,
I am willing to accommodate you with the quasi boarder language but I want first a source: either a school web page, a page dedicated to alumni of a school, or a web page like a boarding school guide or the like which uses the word and describes what it means. If it means the same thing as Weekly Boarder or Five-Day-Boarder then I will add it a a synonym as follow.
“Some boarding schools have only boarding students, while others have both boarding students and day students who go home at the end of the school day. Day students are often known as day-boys or day-girls. Some schools also have a class of day students who stay throughout the day including breakfast and dinner which they call semi- boarders. Schools that have both boarding and day students sometimes describe themselves as semi boarding schools or day boarding schools. Many schools also have students who board during the week but go home on weekends these are known as weekly boarders, quasi-boarders, or five-day-boarders.”
“Day students and weekly boarders may have a distinct view of day school system, as compared to most other children who attend day schools without any boarding facilities. These students relate to a boarding school life, even though they do not totally reside in school; however, they may not completely become part of the boarding school experience. On the other hand, these students have a different view of boarding schools as compared to full term boarders who go home less frequently often only at the end of a term or even the end of an academic year.”
If it means exactly what we are currently describing it as, in other words as a class of students on a continuum of with day students at one end running through semi-boarders to quasi boarders to five-day-boarders to seven-day-boarders at the other end, then we need to know what the exact difference is between a quasi-boarder and a five-day-boarder so we can describe it with clarity and brevity.
I hope I don’t come across as pedantic, but I am strongly against jargon when it causes confusion instead of clarity for the general reader. People who are interested in boarding schools are likely to look at this. We want to provide them with enlightenment not confusion.
Stephen W. Houghton II, Eaglebrook ‘86 Avon Old Farms ‘89-- 70.150.94.194 ( talk) 18:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
We have this in the front of the article does it need to be their or would we be better off putting it further back and expanding it? Also while the US maybe the only country to have "millitary academies" as high school institutions, (though I doubt it britain cirtaintly did in the past) Millitray training at boarding schools is not solely a US thing, check out the wikipedia entries for Eton and Cheltenham. 70.150.94.194 ( talk) 21:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
While I agree that most boarding schools charge fees is it a proper part of the definition? If not I will remove. Action will be taken if there is no reply within 48 hours. 70.150.94.194 ( talk) 14:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I know of no school that uses this terminology nore was it curenet among students when I was at school. It will be removed unless evidence is provided promptly. Stephen W. Houghton II 96.26.177.229 ( talk) 02:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I have a problem with this section that I want to discuss. First I think the title is blatantly NPOV it asserts that the regulations are essential. This is of course an opinion. Secondly, why do we need a discussion of the minutia of boarding school regulations. Thirdly if arguendo it is desireable to have a discussion of such regulations why are we only discussing UK regulations. Lastly what the heck does lights-out as a phenomena have to do with this topic.
I propose that we move the last graph on lights-out into the section on typical boarding school characteristics and delete the rest. Comments please.
PS I have made the changes I proposed re 13th grade and fee charging.
Stephen W. Houghton II, Eaglebrook ‘86 Avon Old Farms ‘89 96.26.177.229 ( talk) 03:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
If I do not see a post here to the contrary with 48 hours, I will carry out the proposed change.
Stephen W. Houghton II, Eaglebrook ‘86 Avon Old Farms ‘89 96.26.177.229 ( talk) 13:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I made the changes I proposed here.
Stephen W. Houghton II, Eaglebrook '86 Avon Old Farms '89 96.26.177.229 ( talk) 21:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Much of the material here is useful, but it is dreadfully ill organized. I think the first thing we need to do is get a history section put together. Some of the material from this section can be used as a first draft of a history section. Ideally the history section should eventually be divided up with sub sections of different countries. The same thing needs to be done with the section on boarding schools across societies.
Here is a proposed opening paragraph for a history section.
The question when was the first boarding school founded is a difficult one to answer. The practices of fostering children with other families so they could learn is of very long standing, with records going back thousands of years. In Europe the practice of sending boys to monasteries for their education developed. The school often considered the worlds oldest boarding school, King’s School Canterbury, counts the development of the monastery school in around 597 AD to be the date of the schools founding. However all of the monastic schools were dissolved with the monasteries themselves under Henry VIII. The school that can probably claim to be the oldest boarding school in continual operation is Winchester College founded by Bishop William of Wykeham in 1382.
If There is no complaint about this I will add it to the article in 24 hours.
Stephen W. Houghton II, Eaglebrook ‘86 Avon Old Farms ‘89 76.18.234.53 ( talk) 00:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
We need a good opening graph for this section. I propose the following
“Boarding Schools manifest themselves in different ways in different societies. For example, in some societies children start boarding school at an earlier age than in others. In some societies, a tradition has developed in which families send their children to the same boarding school for generations. “
“One observation that appears to apply globally is that a significantly large number of boys than girls attend boarding school and for a longer span of time.”
Then we need to take the material we have already and divided it by country.
Stephen W. Houghton II, Eaglebrook ‘86 Avon Old Farms ‘89 76.18.234.53 ( talk) 18:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
The section on boarding school guidelines are important as it gives official guidelines and regulations drawn by regulatory bodies. They are totally referenced as there is nothing POV about it. It is not written by one person and instead is drawn by governmental regulations. The section gives important insight into the functioning of systems that people expect to know. It is a fact that there are lots of people who run boarding schools with substandard facilities and people are not aware of these. It is for this reason that government set up these guidelines. Hence it is important information for people. Besides people do not always visit wikipedia page to edit. They may have other work and there is no ultimatum to edit that people can set. I agree with the other changes of 13th grade and fee charging and lights out. good work. Thanks Robin klein ( talk) 02:35, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
This section is incomplete, I'm afraid:
I'd love to help fix it but I'm trying to improve a different set of articles at the moment so all I can do is leave you the references I've found. Good luck - Pointillist ( talk) 09:26, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello I was hoping to add a link to this website but there appears to be no external link section.
http://www.boardingconcern.org.uk
Sbtbrownis (
talk) 18:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
text by User talk:216.7.233.62 deleted on 18th december 2010 as it has no references.
text by User talk:216.7.233.62 deleted on 18th december 2010 as it has no references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robin klein ( talk • contribs) 02:49, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
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"In the Soviet Union were introduced similar schools known as internat-school"
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"In the Soviet Union similar schools were introduced known as internat-school" i believe is atleast -more- correct though i am not a licensed linguist i think this should be corrected as it is in the beginning of the article... the part i direct my attention to most when i study.
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The first, main list isn't limited to British literature, neither British authors nor British settings, nor even English language. What is the rationale for a separate list of "notable North American fiction"?
In the main list I have rewritten two entries to end with "--Australia", easier to find if a British distinction will be restored.
I have put many into better chronological order but more dates and more of that order are needed. -- P64 ( talk) 00:54, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Can I also note why C.S. Lewis isn't on the British list? He discusses the British boarding system lengthily in Surprised by Joy, and his experience with such a system strongly influences his later writings... Sir Ian ( talk) 18:35, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I came to this site for information about the abusive history of teachers at boarding schools and all I found was professors pet projects about physiological and sociological effects and other convoluted mumbo jumbo that I don't care to know. Can someone include some information about the "golden age" of boarding schools or at least an external link to that history? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.182.3.114 ( talk) 04:32, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
"Outside of New England, notable boarding schools include... St. George's School, The Gunnery, Kent School, Miss Porter's School, Canterbury School..."
All of these schools are very much INSIDE of New England (St. George's being in Rhode Island and the rest are Connecticut schools.) That should be changed. The preceding paragraph to this statement reads "Within the Northeast..." and goes on to list a number of northeastern boarding schools. New England is a segment of the northeast but would certainly not entail what most would consider to be the entire northeastern quadrant of the U.S. So "outside of New England" should read "outside of the northeast." That would provide a far more accurate perspective. Also, many of the schools listed "Outside of New England" are very much northeastern schools (such as NY's Millbrook, PA's Hill, and NJ's Blair and Lawrenceville) so it is rather confusing not to include them in the notable northeastern section. To say "notable northeast," and then follow with "notable outside of New England" while still including northeastern institutions does not make sense.
The lists of schools should be renamed "northeast" and "outside of the northeast," or some proper variation, and regrouped correctly. The schools that are incorrectly listed as "outside of New England," should probably be relocated or omitted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.88.145 ( talk) 08:30, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
At the moment, this large section is an indiscriminate list of appearances in pop culture (see WP:IPC. As the template I've added states, such sections, if they exist at all, should explain the subject's impact on popular culture rather than simply listing appearances. If there are reliable sources out there discussing the impact of boarding schools on popular culture, have at it. The lists, though, are not encyclopedic. - SummerPhD ( talk) 20:33, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Do we need a wiki subsection dedicated to the label of Boarding School Syndrome?
The work of the psychotherapist Joy Schaverien Phd goes in depth into the principles and behaviour that is labelled Boarding School Syndrome. does this merit inclusion on the Boarding school page? Opinion please.-- Redblossom ( talk) 09:31, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
This article is very biased; it basically reads something like "boarding schools are terrible and will ruin the life of the child forever". The sections "Sociological issues of boarding schools" and "Psychological issues of boarding schools" are entirely negative, give undue weight to certain opinions (see above the complaint about "Boarding School Syndrome"), and are also focused on the UK and the US, and do not address other (non-Western) cultures. Other parts are about bullying and abuse that may take place in boarding schools, rather than about the concept itself of attending a boarding school - and maltreatment can take place in any environment, including home. The article seems to me very biased: for example, it ignores the fact that in some parts of the world boarding schools are virtually the only solution to a complete education for many families (where parents live in rural areas where there is only an elementary school, so the child has to study secondary education in a different place and board - this used to be the case in the past in Western countries too). So basically in these cultures boarding schools are the only way to further the child's education and eradicate the cycle of poverty/under-education; and parents often make great financial efforts to ensure such an education for the children. I tagged the article and I hope it improves. 2A02:2F01:505F:FFFF:0:0:50C:840E ( talk) 21:45, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
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In the section about US boarding schools outside of the northeast, the list of schools seems a bit arbitrary and a little random, with people just adding their own school. I'm going to trim it down. -- alphalfalfa( talk) 06:29, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
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"These schools take in some students as boarders and other students as semi-boarders, who would only attend school hours in the day alongside boarders and then return to their homes."
In what sense are "semi-boarders" boarders? According to this definition they are day pupils, exactly like in a day school.
"These schools might also admit some students as day-boarders. These pupils would have meals at school along with attending classes, but they live off-campus."
Does this mean that there are people who would have three meals a day on school premises, and then go home? I'm not sure what the point of that would be. If you use this term, it suggests that the definition of "boarder" is someone who takes three meals a day at the school - I always assumed it meant someone who resides at the school for some or all of term time.
"On the other hand, quasi-boarders have a different view of boarding schools as compared to most usual boarders (full term boarders), who would only go back to their homes either at the end of a term or by the end of an academic year."
As I understand it, this is hopelessly out of date. For the last few decades all schools (at least in Britain) have had half term intervals, and absolutely nobody stays for these. Moreover, there tend to be exeats, which are weekend times at which everyone leaves the campus. When I was there (early-mid 1990s), the only people who "only go back to their homes either at the end of a term or by the end of an academic year" were people from overseas, who had special accommodation arranged for them during exeats and half term.
There's also no direct mention of the weekly boarder (stay for the week and go home at weekends), which is the sort I was - I guess this is a kind of quasi-boarder? -- Smjg 12:46, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This article might seem out of date when selectively compared to some experimental schools and elite prep schools. However this article is valid when taking into account the systems common to boarding schools around the entire world. Robin klein 03:41, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
An encyclopedia article has to cater to diverse readers. For those who have been to boarding schools this article might seem vague or even odd with all the details or the rooms and the various "types of boarders". But if one was to talk to people who have never seen/been to boarding schools, then the basic information they ask are those that might be considered mundane. Like different boarding schools and different systems and functioning, different schedules of going back to ones homes eg: pupils who visit homes every weekend; those on the other hand who return home at the end of a semester or term, etc....
Considering that many people have not been/seen a boarding school, traditional or newer ones, mundane and seemingly redundant information like "storehouse" and "bunk beds" is important detail.
While writing an article for an encyclopedia, one has to be general, especially considering an international readership. Writing a general or "universal" article about education systems or the like is an imperfect task, where variations are diverse. And most often the best option is to detail the mundane information, the traditional aspects, and from a general perspective and in this case a very broad perspective across developed and developing countries. Robin klein 04:50, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
These terms are not all inaccurate, googling gives this:
please verify before passing off anything as factually inaccurate.
In American english Day boy is common, however in British english Day scholar and Day boarder is commonly used, as per the students life at school.
Robin klein 14:59, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Of the first 10 hits for "Day boarders" all were either part of the expression 5-day boarders, meaning students who boarded 5 days a week or were about horses. The expression "Day boarders" has no curancy in the U.S. I went to two boarding schools one for grades 6-9 and one for grades 10-12. I had friends that went to at least 15 other boarding schools. I have never heard the expression "Day boarders" unmodified. Steph swhought@fcsl.edu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.150.94.194 ( talk) 18:27, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I beg to differ that "Day boy" is a common phrase in the US. I went to an American boarding school, I live in New England where there are many boarding schools nearby. I've never heard the term "day boy" - we refer to students who attend but don't board as "Day Students." -- CountryMama27 ( talk) 18:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
It is sorry that the term "Total institution" sounds sinister. However it is the term used for these institutions by social scientists in social sciences literature, eg: Psychology, sociology, anthropology etc. So it is definitely neutral or NPOV.
However, the term Total Institution is not all that sinister it has 14,500 hits on the google -- Robin klein 15:21, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
This whole article is written in a messy and confusing manner, and seems to be 50 years out of date in everything it says, both about the structure of boarding schools, and their use/popularity in various countries. Is there an informed person who can overhaul it? 11:12, 20 December 2005 (UTC) (Skittle) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 57.66.51.165 ( talk) 11:12, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
The section on the U.S. is so incomplete as to be inaccurate. The United States has a well-developed network of independent, private secondary schools, both religiously affiliated and otherwise, boarding and day. Many are modeled after the British public school, especially in atmosphere. Let's get cracking, chaps! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.237.136.88 ( talk) 06:56, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
My House adviser when I was talking to him once mentioned a term that gave him 'parental authority' over me signed over by my parents (and the parents of all boarders). My memory says that the term was Parental Locus but I can't seem to find it elsewhere on google, is anyone aware of the proper term that I am looking for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Falieson ( talk • contribs) 00:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
There should be a section about bedtime, or lights-out. Angie Y. 23:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that the use of boarding schools as an attack upon indigenous cultures is a very important issue that may need more coverage from a historical perspective in this article (is this still happening?). At the same time, this article has an overall atmosphere of "modernity" that puts an excessive emphasis on social theory without any real scientific basis. In particular I take issue with the supposed benefits of prolonging childhood by keeping children within the family structure past adolescence. Is there any evidence, aside from the very factual dominance of the ruling classes, for the positive or negative effects of boarding schools? Any social practice can be done well or poorly. Since all issues associated with human society are highly complex, we must strive much harder not to make statements that are more fashionable than factual.
Speaking as a father whose children did not go to preparatory boarding schools, I think that we need to recognize that many boys and/or girls need a broader perspective than their (often disrespected) families can provide as they reach the fledgling stages of adolescence. There is a very deep and well documented history of this kind of cultural education, from the extended initiations of the australian aborigines (and other indigenous peoples) to the upper class boarding schools of the British. The main reason that my children did not go to boarding schools was expense, and it needs to be noted in this article that - mostly - boarding schools are the prerogative of the well-to-do.
Coming of age is a very difficult period in all times and in all places for people. Getting away from the idiosyncracies of any particular (amateur) family is one way of facilitating the process. I am writing this on the "talk" page because I am not prepared to do the research and find the citations to improve this article myself. Instead, I may take the lazier approach of asking for citations with every questionable assertion. Bob 00:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
i am doing a project on boarding schools and i was wondering if there was any good websites that i could go on that would be great
-- 89.100.67.233 14:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)bobbi-- 89.100.67.233 14:49, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I have decided to try and improve this article. I will present my proposed change here first and if no one objects with in 24 hours I will proceed with the proposed change.
Starting with the opening section I propose to substitute this
“A boarding school is a school where some or all pupils not only study, but also live, with their fellow student and the teachers. The word 'boarding' in this sense means to provide food and lodging.
Many public schools in the Commonwealth of Nations and private schools in the US are boarding schools. The amount of time one spends in boarding school varies considerably from one year to twelve or more years. Boarding school pupils may spend the majority of their childhood and adolescent life away from their parents, although pupils return home during the holidays.”
For the curent text with is as follows
“A boarding school is an educational institution where some or all pupils not only study, but they also live, amongst their peers. The word 'boarding' in this sense means to provide food and lodging.
Many public schools in the Commonwealth of Nations and private schools in the US are boarding schools. The amount of time one spends in boarding school varies considerably from one year to twelve or more years. Boarding school pupils may spend the majority of their childhood and adolescent life away from their parents, although pupils return home during the holidays.
Pupils may be sent to boarding schools at any ages up to eighteen.’
My reasons for the changes are as follows.
“educational institution” is awkward bureaucratic language meaning school. Nor is there a problem with using school in the definition of boarding school because school is the genus, boarding the differentia.
I got rid of the last sentence because it is untrue. Students at colleges and universities with on campus housing are often over 18 and are at a boarding school as we define it. In the long run different types of boarding school need to be differentiated and probably we need sub-pages, but for now we need to keep thing broad. 70.150.94.194 20:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I believe that the next thing we need to do after the introductory paragraph is to diferentiate between types of boarding schools. I propose the following.
“Boarding school are of several types.
Independent Boarding Schools with students of primary or secondary school age. These are what most people think of when they here the words boarding school.
Colleges and universities with residence halls though not often thought of as boarding schools, they are technically a form of boarding school.
Therapeutic schools which provide clinical inpatient services for students with disabilities, such as severe anxiety disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder, Asperger's syndrome, and/or for students with substance abuse and socialization problems.
Residential schools for students with Special Educational Needs, who may or may not be disabled.
Specialist schools, such as choir schools or stage schools.
The Israeli kibbutzim, where children stay and get educated in a commune, but also have everyday contact with their parents at specified hours.”
70.150.94.194 20:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
This sure doesn't look very relevant...Promotion of the school. Elainexe 15:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
This article only seems to promote the negative aspects and stigma associated with boarding school. It doesn't really mention the positive aspects of such an education. Could someone balance this article out a bit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.49.25.229 ( talk) 06:11, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
"It is claimed that children may be sent to boarding schools to give more opportunities than their family can provide. In the United States for example, families interested in having their children raised in an environmentally sustainable community, prefer college prep boarding schools like Scattergood Friends School where living sustainably is a way of life." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.49.25.229 ( talk) 06:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Is it time to add a section on the history of boarding school? What do you think? 70.150.94.194 00:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Unless there is some objection I am going substitute this
“Some boarding schools have only boarding students, while others have both boarding students and day students who go home at the end of the school day. Day students are often known as day-boys or day-girls. Many schools also have students who board during the week but go home on weekends these are known as weekly boarders or five-day-boarders.”
“Day students and weekly boarders may have a distinct view of day school system, as compared to most other children who attend day schools without any boarding facilities. These students relate to a boarding school life, even though they do not totally reside in school; however, they may not completely become part of the boarding school experience. On the other hand, these students have a different view of boarding schools as compared to full term boarders who go home less frequently often only at the end of a term or even the end of an academic year.”
For this
“The following terminology is not applicable in the UK, as to which please see above) Some schools are semi-boarding schools (part day school and part boarding school). These schools take in some students as boarders and other students as semi-boarders, who would only attend school hours in the day alongside boarders and then return to their homes. These schools might also admit some students as day-boarders. These pupils would have meals at school along with attending classes, but they live off-campus. There are also quasi-boarders, who stay in boarding school but return to their families at mid-week and at weekends. Semi-boarders and day-boarders (collectively called as boarding-day scholars) have a distinct view of day school system, as compared to most other children who attend complete day schools without any boarding facilities. These students relate to a boarding school life, even though they do not totally reside in school; however, they do not completely become part of the boarding school experience. On the other hand, quasi-boarders have a different view of boarding schools as compared to full term boarders, who would only go back to their homes either at the end of a term or even the end of an academic year.”
I think my version is better because it uses more self explanatory words and less jargon. Also some of the current version is just wrong. (see above talk) If any one objects within 24 hours I will refrain from the change otherwise, I will go ahead with it. 70.150.94.194 16:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Dear Robin,
I am willing to accommodate you with the quasi boarder language but I want first a source: either a school web page, a page dedicated to alumni of a school, or a web page like a boarding school guide or the like which uses the word and describes what it means. If it means the same thing as Weekly Boarder or Five-Day-Boarder then I will add it a a synonym as follow.
“Some boarding schools have only boarding students, while others have both boarding students and day students who go home at the end of the school day. Day students are often known as day-boys or day-girls. Some schools also have a class of day students who stay throughout the day including breakfast and dinner which they call semi- boarders. Schools that have both boarding and day students sometimes describe themselves as semi boarding schools or day boarding schools. Many schools also have students who board during the week but go home on weekends these are known as weekly boarders, quasi-boarders, or five-day-boarders.”
“Day students and weekly boarders may have a distinct view of day school system, as compared to most other children who attend day schools without any boarding facilities. These students relate to a boarding school life, even though they do not totally reside in school; however, they may not completely become part of the boarding school experience. On the other hand, these students have a different view of boarding schools as compared to full term boarders who go home less frequently often only at the end of a term or even the end of an academic year.”
If it means exactly what we are currently describing it as, in other words as a class of students on a continuum of with day students at one end running through semi-boarders to quasi boarders to five-day-boarders to seven-day-boarders at the other end, then we need to know what the exact difference is between a quasi-boarder and a five-day-boarder so we can describe it with clarity and brevity.
I hope I don’t come across as pedantic, but I am strongly against jargon when it causes confusion instead of clarity for the general reader. People who are interested in boarding schools are likely to look at this. We want to provide them with enlightenment not confusion.
Stephen W. Houghton II, Eaglebrook ‘86 Avon Old Farms ‘89-- 70.150.94.194 ( talk) 18:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
We have this in the front of the article does it need to be their or would we be better off putting it further back and expanding it? Also while the US maybe the only country to have "millitary academies" as high school institutions, (though I doubt it britain cirtaintly did in the past) Millitray training at boarding schools is not solely a US thing, check out the wikipedia entries for Eton and Cheltenham. 70.150.94.194 ( talk) 21:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
While I agree that most boarding schools charge fees is it a proper part of the definition? If not I will remove. Action will be taken if there is no reply within 48 hours. 70.150.94.194 ( talk) 14:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I know of no school that uses this terminology nore was it curenet among students when I was at school. It will be removed unless evidence is provided promptly. Stephen W. Houghton II 96.26.177.229 ( talk) 02:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I have a problem with this section that I want to discuss. First I think the title is blatantly NPOV it asserts that the regulations are essential. This is of course an opinion. Secondly, why do we need a discussion of the minutia of boarding school regulations. Thirdly if arguendo it is desireable to have a discussion of such regulations why are we only discussing UK regulations. Lastly what the heck does lights-out as a phenomena have to do with this topic.
I propose that we move the last graph on lights-out into the section on typical boarding school characteristics and delete the rest. Comments please.
PS I have made the changes I proposed re 13th grade and fee charging.
Stephen W. Houghton II, Eaglebrook ‘86 Avon Old Farms ‘89 96.26.177.229 ( talk) 03:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
If I do not see a post here to the contrary with 48 hours, I will carry out the proposed change.
Stephen W. Houghton II, Eaglebrook ‘86 Avon Old Farms ‘89 96.26.177.229 ( talk) 13:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I made the changes I proposed here.
Stephen W. Houghton II, Eaglebrook '86 Avon Old Farms '89 96.26.177.229 ( talk) 21:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Much of the material here is useful, but it is dreadfully ill organized. I think the first thing we need to do is get a history section put together. Some of the material from this section can be used as a first draft of a history section. Ideally the history section should eventually be divided up with sub sections of different countries. The same thing needs to be done with the section on boarding schools across societies.
Here is a proposed opening paragraph for a history section.
The question when was the first boarding school founded is a difficult one to answer. The practices of fostering children with other families so they could learn is of very long standing, with records going back thousands of years. In Europe the practice of sending boys to monasteries for their education developed. The school often considered the worlds oldest boarding school, King’s School Canterbury, counts the development of the monastery school in around 597 AD to be the date of the schools founding. However all of the monastic schools were dissolved with the monasteries themselves under Henry VIII. The school that can probably claim to be the oldest boarding school in continual operation is Winchester College founded by Bishop William of Wykeham in 1382.
If There is no complaint about this I will add it to the article in 24 hours.
Stephen W. Houghton II, Eaglebrook ‘86 Avon Old Farms ‘89 76.18.234.53 ( talk) 00:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
We need a good opening graph for this section. I propose the following
“Boarding Schools manifest themselves in different ways in different societies. For example, in some societies children start boarding school at an earlier age than in others. In some societies, a tradition has developed in which families send their children to the same boarding school for generations. “
“One observation that appears to apply globally is that a significantly large number of boys than girls attend boarding school and for a longer span of time.”
Then we need to take the material we have already and divided it by country.
Stephen W. Houghton II, Eaglebrook ‘86 Avon Old Farms ‘89 76.18.234.53 ( talk) 18:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
The section on boarding school guidelines are important as it gives official guidelines and regulations drawn by regulatory bodies. They are totally referenced as there is nothing POV about it. It is not written by one person and instead is drawn by governmental regulations. The section gives important insight into the functioning of systems that people expect to know. It is a fact that there are lots of people who run boarding schools with substandard facilities and people are not aware of these. It is for this reason that government set up these guidelines. Hence it is important information for people. Besides people do not always visit wikipedia page to edit. They may have other work and there is no ultimatum to edit that people can set. I agree with the other changes of 13th grade and fee charging and lights out. good work. Thanks Robin klein ( talk) 02:35, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
This section is incomplete, I'm afraid:
I'd love to help fix it but I'm trying to improve a different set of articles at the moment so all I can do is leave you the references I've found. Good luck - Pointillist ( talk) 09:26, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello I was hoping to add a link to this website but there appears to be no external link section.
http://www.boardingconcern.org.uk
Sbtbrownis (
talk) 18:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
text by User talk:216.7.233.62 deleted on 18th december 2010 as it has no references.
text by User talk:216.7.233.62 deleted on 18th december 2010 as it has no references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robin klein ( talk • contribs) 02:49, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
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since i did not see the "edit" hyperlink on the first section ( it was not recognized as a section in the article's "contents") i am offering my suggestion for correction in this section forgive me if this is not appropriate.
"In the Soviet Union were introduced similar schools known as internat-school"
i believe this sentence is grammatically incorrect and to increase faith and validity in this site i am offering a possibly correct version of this sentence.
"In the Soviet Union similar schools were introduced known as internat-school" i believe is atleast -more- correct though i am not a licensed linguist i think this should be corrected as it is in the beginning of the article... the part i direct my attention to most when i study.
an alternative could be "In the Soviet Union similar schools were also introduced known as internat-school"
also i believe "internat-school" should be capitalized
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The first, main list isn't limited to British literature, neither British authors nor British settings, nor even English language. What is the rationale for a separate list of "notable North American fiction"?
In the main list I have rewritten two entries to end with "--Australia", easier to find if a British distinction will be restored.
I have put many into better chronological order but more dates and more of that order are needed. -- P64 ( talk) 00:54, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Can I also note why C.S. Lewis isn't on the British list? He discusses the British boarding system lengthily in Surprised by Joy, and his experience with such a system strongly influences his later writings... Sir Ian ( talk) 18:35, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I came to this site for information about the abusive history of teachers at boarding schools and all I found was professors pet projects about physiological and sociological effects and other convoluted mumbo jumbo that I don't care to know. Can someone include some information about the "golden age" of boarding schools or at least an external link to that history? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.182.3.114 ( talk) 04:32, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
"Outside of New England, notable boarding schools include... St. George's School, The Gunnery, Kent School, Miss Porter's School, Canterbury School..."
All of these schools are very much INSIDE of New England (St. George's being in Rhode Island and the rest are Connecticut schools.) That should be changed. The preceding paragraph to this statement reads "Within the Northeast..." and goes on to list a number of northeastern boarding schools. New England is a segment of the northeast but would certainly not entail what most would consider to be the entire northeastern quadrant of the U.S. So "outside of New England" should read "outside of the northeast." That would provide a far more accurate perspective. Also, many of the schools listed "Outside of New England" are very much northeastern schools (such as NY's Millbrook, PA's Hill, and NJ's Blair and Lawrenceville) so it is rather confusing not to include them in the notable northeastern section. To say "notable northeast," and then follow with "notable outside of New England" while still including northeastern institutions does not make sense.
The lists of schools should be renamed "northeast" and "outside of the northeast," or some proper variation, and regrouped correctly. The schools that are incorrectly listed as "outside of New England," should probably be relocated or omitted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.88.145 ( talk) 08:30, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
At the moment, this large section is an indiscriminate list of appearances in pop culture (see WP:IPC. As the template I've added states, such sections, if they exist at all, should explain the subject's impact on popular culture rather than simply listing appearances. If there are reliable sources out there discussing the impact of boarding schools on popular culture, have at it. The lists, though, are not encyclopedic. - SummerPhD ( talk) 20:33, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Do we need a wiki subsection dedicated to the label of Boarding School Syndrome?
The work of the psychotherapist Joy Schaverien Phd goes in depth into the principles and behaviour that is labelled Boarding School Syndrome. does this merit inclusion on the Boarding school page? Opinion please.-- Redblossom ( talk) 09:31, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
This article is very biased; it basically reads something like "boarding schools are terrible and will ruin the life of the child forever". The sections "Sociological issues of boarding schools" and "Psychological issues of boarding schools" are entirely negative, give undue weight to certain opinions (see above the complaint about "Boarding School Syndrome"), and are also focused on the UK and the US, and do not address other (non-Western) cultures. Other parts are about bullying and abuse that may take place in boarding schools, rather than about the concept itself of attending a boarding school - and maltreatment can take place in any environment, including home. The article seems to me very biased: for example, it ignores the fact that in some parts of the world boarding schools are virtually the only solution to a complete education for many families (where parents live in rural areas where there is only an elementary school, so the child has to study secondary education in a different place and board - this used to be the case in the past in Western countries too). So basically in these cultures boarding schools are the only way to further the child's education and eradicate the cycle of poverty/under-education; and parents often make great financial efforts to ensure such an education for the children. I tagged the article and I hope it improves. 2A02:2F01:505F:FFFF:0:0:50C:840E ( talk) 21:45, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
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In the section about US boarding schools outside of the northeast, the list of schools seems a bit arbitrary and a little random, with people just adding their own school. I'm going to trim it down. -- alphalfalfa( talk) 06:29, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
I added List of state boarding schools in England and Wales, and it was reverted as not relevant to the history section. Then I added a sentence about these British state schools, with a piped link, to the last bullet point within the section on "Other forms of residential schools", which as it stood was entirely about the United States. This time the edit summary of the reversion stated "we have the overall list in See also section". There is no reference to this article there, and any attempt to find it is several clicks away. Why the opposition to including British state schools? If the classic imagined boarding school is a combination of Hogwarts and Eton, i.e. British and elite, why not include the current reality? Carbon Caryatid ( talk) 11:27, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
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in british boarding schools if you start violence then you get kicked out and are not allowed back in.-- 69.4.62.155 ( talk) 15:35, 5 September 2019 (UTC)