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Bluesky is not a protocol. At best it can be called an exploratory working group. I don't know what sources are calling it these days but "Protocol" would probably not be the best description. riffic ( talk) 20:53, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi, the article, especially the description part, sounds like they are reinventing ActivityPub. Are they doing that? They wrote, that they are working together with the people of ActivityPub. So I guess they are doing something else? Maybe it would be helpful for the understanding to explain the differences in the article. As ActivityPub is established now, it would be hard to push an alternative standard anyway. So there should be a section in what situations Bluesky is maybe a better solution. Is bluesky even a solution or is it more a think tank? Nico Düsing ( talk) 17:46, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
hi, I see the infobox for the pbllc was removed. any rationale or consensus to re-add that back in? riffic ( talk) 14:11, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Is this anything other than a large exercise in WP:CRYSTAL at this stage? Frankly it's the sort of thing that should be a very small section of another article, perhaps Jack Dorsey - David Gerard ( talk) 10:45, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors. Although Wikipedia includes up-to-date knowledge about newly revealed products, short articles that consist of only product announcement information and rumors are not appropriate. Until such time that more encyclopedic knowledge about the product can be verified, product announcements should be merged to a larger topic (such as an article about the creator(s), a series of products, or a previous product) if applicable.
Let's see the reliable sources that call it vaporwareThat's an extremely unserious statement. It doesn't exist. It doesn't have anything yet. The article still reads like a press release, because it doesn't bloody exist. It's precisely the sort of thing described in that last clause of WP:CRYSTAL, glaringly. You're writing this like you're promoting it, and you just deliberately re-added a non-RS from a publication that is yellow-rated because it's given to PR COI and vaporware promotion - David Gerard ( talk) 08:59, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
I've added a reference to the FT article which is probably the first reliable source I see mentioning anything concrete. One problem with the relative lack of sources is that the article ends up parroting marketing material suggesting things which are not currently true, such as the idea that Bluesky social the service is somehow "open" or uses certain W3C standards, which are actually "temporarily" not used. It would therefore be necessary to either remove any unsubstantiated technical claim for which there's no valid secondary source, or to draw more from whatever is available now (mostly blog posts by a handful experienced technologists who actually looked at the protocol, code and service). Nemo 06:24, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
The article seems to have drifted towards promotional material again in the past few months. Nemo 18:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
The section mentions Bluesky being Centralised, proprietary software as of 2023, whilst saying it was "made open source" at the end of the section, which is it? 91.116.16.92 ( talk) 09:13, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
I have an issue with this comment at the end of the "Company History" section: "Bluesky refuses to divulge its ownership and charter language publicly, with spokespeople providing evasive or non-answers in response to inquiries.[28]" Cite #28 for that references an Intercept article from June 1: < https://theintercept.com/2023/06/01/bluesky-owner-twitter-elon-musk/> The referenced article doesn't seem to support what the Wikipedia article is saying.
"The Intercept article actually says this: "Bluesky, the company, is a Public Benefit LLC. It is owned by Jay Graber and the Bluesky team," according to the site's Frequently Asked Questions page. This is exactly what Jeromy Johnson, a former engineer for the distributed file system IPFS and a technical adviser to Bluesky who goes by Whyrusleeping, said when asked in early April."
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"When asked for clarification about Bluesky's ownership, Emily Liu, another member of the Bluesky team, told me that Bluesky has been offering employees equity as part of their compensation packages, as is a common practice with startups. She also confirmed that Bluesky PBLLC's board consists of Graber, Dorsey, and Jeremie Miller, inventor of the open and decentralized chat protocol Jabber."
Jonl ( talk) 13:06, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I'm seeing the wiki article still calls Bluesky's parent company a PBLLC but both Techcrunch and the official Bluesky site blog (note this link is blacklisted by Wikipedia for being on a .xyz domain blueskyweb dot xyz/blog/7-05-2023-business-plan) say the company was converted into a "public benefit C Corp". Please update the article when there has been a chance to confirm. riffic ( talk) 02:37, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. After some time since the last comment here, there is no consensus to move.( closed by non-admin page mover) estar8806 ( talk) ★ 18:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Bluesky Social → Bluesky – Almost all news articles about Bluesky, as well as Bluesky itself, don't seem to use the "Social", and simply use the WP:COMMONNAME "Bluesky". The existing Bluesky page is a redirect that hasn't been edited since 2007 so I don't think there would be any harm in moving this article to there; it would be possible to add a hatnote to this article pointing to the Blue Sky disambiguation page. Additionally, this article is clearly the primary topic for "Bluesky", as the only other two articles with that spelling- Bluesky, Alberta and Bluesky Formation- don't even come close in terms of pageviews. Chessrat ( talk, contributions) 15:35, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
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Bluesky is not a protocol. At best it can be called an exploratory working group. I don't know what sources are calling it these days but "Protocol" would probably not be the best description. riffic ( talk) 20:53, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi, the article, especially the description part, sounds like they are reinventing ActivityPub. Are they doing that? They wrote, that they are working together with the people of ActivityPub. So I guess they are doing something else? Maybe it would be helpful for the understanding to explain the differences in the article. As ActivityPub is established now, it would be hard to push an alternative standard anyway. So there should be a section in what situations Bluesky is maybe a better solution. Is bluesky even a solution or is it more a think tank? Nico Düsing ( talk) 17:46, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
hi, I see the infobox for the pbllc was removed. any rationale or consensus to re-add that back in? riffic ( talk) 14:11, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Is this anything other than a large exercise in WP:CRYSTAL at this stage? Frankly it's the sort of thing that should be a very small section of another article, perhaps Jack Dorsey - David Gerard ( talk) 10:45, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors. Although Wikipedia includes up-to-date knowledge about newly revealed products, short articles that consist of only product announcement information and rumors are not appropriate. Until such time that more encyclopedic knowledge about the product can be verified, product announcements should be merged to a larger topic (such as an article about the creator(s), a series of products, or a previous product) if applicable.
Let's see the reliable sources that call it vaporwareThat's an extremely unserious statement. It doesn't exist. It doesn't have anything yet. The article still reads like a press release, because it doesn't bloody exist. It's precisely the sort of thing described in that last clause of WP:CRYSTAL, glaringly. You're writing this like you're promoting it, and you just deliberately re-added a non-RS from a publication that is yellow-rated because it's given to PR COI and vaporware promotion - David Gerard ( talk) 08:59, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
I've added a reference to the FT article which is probably the first reliable source I see mentioning anything concrete. One problem with the relative lack of sources is that the article ends up parroting marketing material suggesting things which are not currently true, such as the idea that Bluesky social the service is somehow "open" or uses certain W3C standards, which are actually "temporarily" not used. It would therefore be necessary to either remove any unsubstantiated technical claim for which there's no valid secondary source, or to draw more from whatever is available now (mostly blog posts by a handful experienced technologists who actually looked at the protocol, code and service). Nemo 06:24, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
The article seems to have drifted towards promotional material again in the past few months. Nemo 18:55, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
The section mentions Bluesky being Centralised, proprietary software as of 2023, whilst saying it was "made open source" at the end of the section, which is it? 91.116.16.92 ( talk) 09:13, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
I have an issue with this comment at the end of the "Company History" section: "Bluesky refuses to divulge its ownership and charter language publicly, with spokespeople providing evasive or non-answers in response to inquiries.[28]" Cite #28 for that references an Intercept article from June 1: < https://theintercept.com/2023/06/01/bluesky-owner-twitter-elon-musk/> The referenced article doesn't seem to support what the Wikipedia article is saying.
"The Intercept article actually says this: "Bluesky, the company, is a Public Benefit LLC. It is owned by Jay Graber and the Bluesky team," according to the site's Frequently Asked Questions page. This is exactly what Jeromy Johnson, a former engineer for the distributed file system IPFS and a technical adviser to Bluesky who goes by Whyrusleeping, said when asked in early April."
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"When asked for clarification about Bluesky's ownership, Emily Liu, another member of the Bluesky team, told me that Bluesky has been offering employees equity as part of their compensation packages, as is a common practice with startups. She also confirmed that Bluesky PBLLC's board consists of Graber, Dorsey, and Jeremie Miller, inventor of the open and decentralized chat protocol Jabber."
Jonl ( talk) 13:06, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I'm seeing the wiki article still calls Bluesky's parent company a PBLLC but both Techcrunch and the official Bluesky site blog (note this link is blacklisted by Wikipedia for being on a .xyz domain blueskyweb dot xyz/blog/7-05-2023-business-plan) say the company was converted into a "public benefit C Corp". Please update the article when there has been a chance to confirm. riffic ( talk) 02:37, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. After some time since the last comment here, there is no consensus to move.( closed by non-admin page mover) estar8806 ( talk) ★ 18:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Bluesky Social → Bluesky – Almost all news articles about Bluesky, as well as Bluesky itself, don't seem to use the "Social", and simply use the WP:COMMONNAME "Bluesky". The existing Bluesky page is a redirect that hasn't been edited since 2007 so I don't think there would be any harm in moving this article to there; it would be possible to add a hatnote to this article pointing to the Blue Sky disambiguation page. Additionally, this article is clearly the primary topic for "Bluesky", as the only other two articles with that spelling- Bluesky, Alberta and Bluesky Formation- don't even come close in terms of pageviews. Chessrat ( talk, contributions) 15:35, 22 September 2023 (UTC)