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I can see some justification for this in the fact that a very significant part of BG music involves instrumental improvisation, often virtuistic, with the lead being passed around from player to player. This is also a basic element of jazz, which obviously has African origins. Of course, the quintessential BG instrument, the Banjo, is also of African origin. Wschart ( talk) 18:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Its just as African as it is Scottish. The African influence is certainly diluted, but it is still factually there much as the Celtic influence is. Bluegrass takes quite a bit from jazz and blues, both of which are descended partially from West African music.-- 96.242.28.73 ( talk) 05:42, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
black spirituals and bluegrass both have a very southern rhythm to them, i can see the relation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.250.209 ( talk) 07:22, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Who removed the recognition of west African influence, and why? African Americans had a tremendous influence on Bluegrass. Even though this article does not explain the musical structure of Bluegrass, African influence should still be mentioned, especially since there is such a focus on the chioce of instruments; including the banjo, wich even Wikipedia says was developed by west African slaves. Sawbar ( talk) 01:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
This has been in the info box for at least five years (I didn't bother checking any further back) and suddenly IPs are trying to remove it. It certainly isn't a typo, as the first attempt claimed. What's the problem? The "Creation" section states that the use of the banjo comes from Black musicians, which would seem to justify the inclusion in the info box as a stylistic influence. I'm restoring the status quo pending any new consensus here. Meters ( talk) 23:37, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Here are some references about the stylistic influence of African-American music on bluegrass. [1] [2] [3] Besides just listing this in the infobox, we should probably add explanatory text in the body of the article.
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— Mudwater ( Talk) 17:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn: The Bluegrass music link from Bluegrass isn't used enough to justify making Bluegrass music the Primary Topic. Thanks for all your input everyone! – DirkJandeGeer щи 12:00, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
– Hello everyone! I had a look at the outgoing links for Bluegrass using https://wikinav.toolforge.org. It seemed to show that Bluegrass music was the most popular link people were following by a fair margin. [1] I also had a look at the pageviews analysis for various "Bluegrass" pages including most of those listed on the current disambiguation page, and Bluegrass music was again the most popular, this time by a more significant margin. [2] I think this shows that bluegrass music is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the term "bluegrass", but I might have missed something. I'd love to hear everyone's opinions on this potential move, and I hope you all have a great day!
References
– DirkJandeGeer щи 01:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
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This page has been edited as part of the 2023 Amplifying Appalachia Edit-a-thon. Edits include copyediting, adding sources, and more. RoxJox ( talk) 23:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
Hey folks. There's been a bit of back and forth recently, such as this, about the caption for the infobox image. So, (1) do we like the current infobox image? I do, but I'd be open to other suggestions. And (2), if the current image is good, then would a caption of "Flight, a bluegrass band" [1] be okay if this reference was added to it? (Pinging @ Sundayclose and Lucwrte:, but all interested editors are encouraged to comment.)
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— Mudwater ( Talk) 23:26, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Use of an instrument is not enough to link a stylistic origin to a genre. 2603:6011:F400:DAC:4492:FE1D:3BB1:95A6 ( talk) 14:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
This article seems to slam the Petersens Band, and it also infers that the Petersens band is not bluegrass, but folk-rock. From the article:
"At the same time, several popular indie folk and folk rock bands such as the Avett Brothers, Mumford & Sons and Trampled by Turtles have incorporated rhythmic elements and instrumentation from the bluegrass tradition into their popular music arrangements, as has the Branson-based band The Petersens.[38]"
Whilst the reference in the article [38] refers to is titled "The Petersens – The Enduring BLUEGRASS Family Band Gone Viral" The article referred to: https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/the-petersens-the-enduring-bluegrass-family-band-gone-viral/
By what AUTHORITY does the author claim that the Petersens Band is not bluegrass?
It is my assertion that the Petersens Band is a bluegrass band, based on the authority of the International Bluegrass Music Association (IBMA): In 2018 the band placed 4th in the International Bluegrass Music Competition in Nashville.
In coming days I will be editing this article to remove the slamming of the Petersen Band, and to assert that the Petersen Band is a bluegrass band.
Incidentally, The Petersens Band now has in excess of 800,000 subscribers on YouTube.
Disclaimer: I am not associated with the Petersens Band. If there is interference with my assertions, I will take it to Wikipedia dispute resolution. Lesiz ( talk) 23:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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I can see some justification for this in the fact that a very significant part of BG music involves instrumental improvisation, often virtuistic, with the lead being passed around from player to player. This is also a basic element of jazz, which obviously has African origins. Of course, the quintessential BG instrument, the Banjo, is also of African origin. Wschart ( talk) 18:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Its just as African as it is Scottish. The African influence is certainly diluted, but it is still factually there much as the Celtic influence is. Bluegrass takes quite a bit from jazz and blues, both of which are descended partially from West African music.-- 96.242.28.73 ( talk) 05:42, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
black spirituals and bluegrass both have a very southern rhythm to them, i can see the relation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.250.209 ( talk) 07:22, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Who removed the recognition of west African influence, and why? African Americans had a tremendous influence on Bluegrass. Even though this article does not explain the musical structure of Bluegrass, African influence should still be mentioned, especially since there is such a focus on the chioce of instruments; including the banjo, wich even Wikipedia says was developed by west African slaves. Sawbar ( talk) 01:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
This has been in the info box for at least five years (I didn't bother checking any further back) and suddenly IPs are trying to remove it. It certainly isn't a typo, as the first attempt claimed. What's the problem? The "Creation" section states that the use of the banjo comes from Black musicians, which would seem to justify the inclusion in the info box as a stylistic influence. I'm restoring the status quo pending any new consensus here. Meters ( talk) 23:37, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Here are some references about the stylistic influence of African-American music on bluegrass. [1] [2] [3] Besides just listing this in the infobox, we should probably add explanatory text in the body of the article.
References
— Mudwater ( Talk) 17:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 16:36, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Withdrawn: The Bluegrass music link from Bluegrass isn't used enough to justify making Bluegrass music the Primary Topic. Thanks for all your input everyone! – DirkJandeGeer щи 12:00, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
– Hello everyone! I had a look at the outgoing links for Bluegrass using https://wikinav.toolforge.org. It seemed to show that Bluegrass music was the most popular link people were following by a fair margin. [1] I also had a look at the pageviews analysis for various "Bluegrass" pages including most of those listed on the current disambiguation page, and Bluegrass music was again the most popular, this time by a more significant margin. [2] I think this shows that bluegrass music is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the term "bluegrass", but I might have missed something. I'd love to hear everyone's opinions on this potential move, and I hope you all have a great day!
References
– DirkJandeGeer щи 01:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
References
This page has been edited as part of the 2023 Amplifying Appalachia Edit-a-thon. Edits include copyediting, adding sources, and more. RoxJox ( talk) 23:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
Hey folks. There's been a bit of back and forth recently, such as this, about the caption for the infobox image. So, (1) do we like the current infobox image? I do, but I'd be open to other suggestions. And (2), if the current image is good, then would a caption of "Flight, a bluegrass band" [1] be okay if this reference was added to it? (Pinging @ Sundayclose and Lucwrte:, but all interested editors are encouraged to comment.)
References
— Mudwater ( Talk) 23:26, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
Use of an instrument is not enough to link a stylistic origin to a genre. 2603:6011:F400:DAC:4492:FE1D:3BB1:95A6 ( talk) 14:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
This article seems to slam the Petersens Band, and it also infers that the Petersens band is not bluegrass, but folk-rock. From the article:
"At the same time, several popular indie folk and folk rock bands such as the Avett Brothers, Mumford & Sons and Trampled by Turtles have incorporated rhythmic elements and instrumentation from the bluegrass tradition into their popular music arrangements, as has the Branson-based band The Petersens.[38]"
Whilst the reference in the article [38] refers to is titled "The Petersens – The Enduring BLUEGRASS Family Band Gone Viral" The article referred to: https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/the-petersens-the-enduring-bluegrass-family-band-gone-viral/
By what AUTHORITY does the author claim that the Petersens Band is not bluegrass?
It is my assertion that the Petersens Band is a bluegrass band, based on the authority of the International Bluegrass Music Association (IBMA): In 2018 the band placed 4th in the International Bluegrass Music Competition in Nashville.
In coming days I will be editing this article to remove the slamming of the Petersen Band, and to assert that the Petersen Band is a bluegrass band.
Incidentally, The Petersens Band now has in excess of 800,000 subscribers on YouTube.
Disclaimer: I am not associated with the Petersens Band. If there is interference with my assertions, I will take it to Wikipedia dispute resolution. Lesiz ( talk) 23:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)