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Hi,
Prairieplant, I'd like to discuss your reversion of my change. You said that there was no basis for my replacement of the phrase "broad pennant" with "flag" in
this edit. If you take a look at our article for
broad pennant, you'll see that it says: A broad pennant is a triangular swallow-tailed naval pennant flown from the masthead of a warship afloat or a naval headquarters ashore to indicate the presence of ... a Royal Navy officer in the rank of Commodore
. Obviously, Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source, but other sources confirm this usage:
the Oxford reference describes a broad pennant as A swallow-tailed pennant, flown from the masthead, and in most navies the distinguishing flag of a commodore.
The Royal Museums Greenwich similarly describes proad pennats as belonging to commodores, not admirals, and
other websites, as well. This is also discussed several times in the Aubrey-Maturin novels, as well; the language "broad pennant" is only ever used to refer to a commodore's command, not an admiral's.
If you disagree with my removal "blue at the mizzen", that's totally okay, of course; I feel that it's too close to the line in the book, but I'm not fussed about it. But right now, I think the article is objectively wrong, so we should reinstate the change from "broad pennant" to "flag" when we can. Thanks, 208.58.209.24 ( talk) 00:33, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
There shall be a temporary rank of Commodore which shall be distinguished by a Broad Pendant. The broad pennant is the mark of a commodore, not an admiral, even in Napoleonic times. 208.58.209.24 ( talk) 16:32, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
As an IP, your changes have much less weightis completely false. IP editors are no less valid than named editors whatsoever, and editors with an account have no inherent special privilege over IP editors when it comes to content editing. In fact, the reason that I'm not switching to my account is that IP editors are less anonymous than named editors, as connecting my IP address to my named account would be revealing the personal information inherent in the IP address, and I don't want to mess up three pages' edit histories by rev-deleting my IP address.
do not think you have presented any reason to changeis blatantly wrong. I have presented a reason for change--that is, that "broad pennant" is neither the term used in the book nor in actual history. You might not agree with the change--for no reason I can fathom other than sheer stubbornness--but that's not the same as not having a reason at all. 208.58.209.24 ( talk) 20:32, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
MichaelMaggs, if you think the phrasing should be changed in the plot summary, then please go ahead. Too many words spilled over part of a sentence, in my view. - - Prairieplant ( talk) 17:29, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
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Hi,
Prairieplant, I'd like to discuss your reversion of my change. You said that there was no basis for my replacement of the phrase "broad pennant" with "flag" in
this edit. If you take a look at our article for
broad pennant, you'll see that it says: A broad pennant is a triangular swallow-tailed naval pennant flown from the masthead of a warship afloat or a naval headquarters ashore to indicate the presence of ... a Royal Navy officer in the rank of Commodore
. Obviously, Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source, but other sources confirm this usage:
the Oxford reference describes a broad pennant as A swallow-tailed pennant, flown from the masthead, and in most navies the distinguishing flag of a commodore.
The Royal Museums Greenwich similarly describes proad pennats as belonging to commodores, not admirals, and
other websites, as well. This is also discussed several times in the Aubrey-Maturin novels, as well; the language "broad pennant" is only ever used to refer to a commodore's command, not an admiral's.
If you disagree with my removal "blue at the mizzen", that's totally okay, of course; I feel that it's too close to the line in the book, but I'm not fussed about it. But right now, I think the article is objectively wrong, so we should reinstate the change from "broad pennant" to "flag" when we can. Thanks, 208.58.209.24 ( talk) 00:33, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
There shall be a temporary rank of Commodore which shall be distinguished by a Broad Pendant. The broad pennant is the mark of a commodore, not an admiral, even in Napoleonic times. 208.58.209.24 ( talk) 16:32, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
As an IP, your changes have much less weightis completely false. IP editors are no less valid than named editors whatsoever, and editors with an account have no inherent special privilege over IP editors when it comes to content editing. In fact, the reason that I'm not switching to my account is that IP editors are less anonymous than named editors, as connecting my IP address to my named account would be revealing the personal information inherent in the IP address, and I don't want to mess up three pages' edit histories by rev-deleting my IP address.
do not think you have presented any reason to changeis blatantly wrong. I have presented a reason for change--that is, that "broad pennant" is neither the term used in the book nor in actual history. You might not agree with the change--for no reason I can fathom other than sheer stubbornness--but that's not the same as not having a reason at all. 208.58.209.24 ( talk) 20:32, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
MichaelMaggs, if you think the phrasing should be changed in the plot summary, then please go ahead. Too many words spilled over part of a sentence, in my view. - - Prairieplant ( talk) 17:29, 4 August 2020 (UTC)