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This page was deliberately made after this incident here, and here it is a deliberate attempt at vandalism as the sources are questionable. Dfw.com uses a music video that is uploaded by a fan not Rimes herself that's the biggest hint right there many of the other sources are not very reliable. So I ask this page be deleted. Swifty* talk contribs 11:52, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
This article should not be speedy deleted as lacking sufficient context to identify its subject, because this is the original version of the song, by the songwriter, and the redirect should be from Blue (LeAnn Rimes song) to this page, rather than the other way round. Whether the song is a single or otherwise is irrrelevant, whether the Mack or Rimes version make it notable is equally irrelevant. This is the orginal version, as recorded by the songwriter, and was before it as turned into a redirect and nominated for speedy deletion (why?) a referenced article and part of the story of the song. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 11:53, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Proof this was deliberately done here, here, and here Swifty* talk contribs 12:04, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Nope it's not a reliable source that was uploaded by a user and not Mack himself and I listened to it and that's the demo he sent to Rimes.
Swifty*
talk
contribs
12:46, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I'd also like to point out the summary:
From 1958, this is the very first version of the song made famous by LeAnn Rimes in 1996. Kenny Roberts' version was released also on Starday label in 1966.
This does not prove that Mack or Roberts released it as a single it only proves that they recorded it and that song pages are usually singles or promotional singles and as there has been no proof given that Mack released this as a single merging the two pages is not necessary and the redirect is correct. Swifty* talk contribs 12:59, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
As seen here, here, and here this page was deliberately made out of an attempt of vandalism and as such needs to be deleted, also Richhoncho seems to think it is okay to do such things because of what is seen above when the obvious is shown. Also I'd like to point out that the sources used were the cause of the edit war on the Blue (LeAnn Rimes song) page and is another proof that this page was made out of pure vandalism. Fastily was also involved and warned the user against their vandalism and she is an admin on here. Swifty* talk contribs 13:26, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because the editor who added this speedy request has already added and deleted a speedy before, please see talk page for the full details. It wasn't pure vandalism or hoax last time, so that claim needs to validated --
Richhoncho (
talk)
14:27, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
REMOVED balance of copy and paste from articles.
Look at the sources they are the same ones that was causing an edit war hmmmmmm. Swifty* talk contribs 15:08, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
It is disputed whether this article should be titled Blue (LeAnn Rimes song) and concern the composition and LeAnn Rimes' single or whether it would be more appropriate for it to be titled Blue (LeAnn Rimes single) and only concern her single, or whether it would be better named Blue (Bill Mack song) and cover the composition and also covers of it (including LeAnn Rimes' single). I personally support the second option (and a separate article on the LeAnn Rimes cover), but as there is no clear consensus in prior discussion I am initiating a request for comment on the issue. -- He to Hecuba ( talk) 17:33, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
As pointed out to Kww. There are demo released and I've always heard that Mack released a demo of the song to artist so someone could record it. Rimes herself got a copy of the demo. Another good point here is that Linda Davis recorded a demo of "Does He Love You" prior to hers and Reba's recording of the song but does that mean the page should be totally devoted to Linda Davis as she's the previous sing? NO it should only be those who released it as a single. Swifty* talk contribs 17:57, 21 February 2012 (UTC) Source to Linda Davis recording "Does He Love You" before their duet: Reba: My Story Swifty* talk contribs 17:59, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
WP:COMMON it's interesting how people will throw rules around like WP:COMMON and everyone will pick and chose to follow the rules. Rimes is most notable for the song not Mack, or any other artist at that matter. And if I have this right it's Wikipedia's rule to uphold that. So yes it should be under Blue (LeAnn Rimes song) not Blue (Bill Mack song). Swifty* talk contribs 15:07, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Another good example of pick and chose is Sailor Moon where most of the titles are either Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon and Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon but all go under the name of Sailor Moon as it's a franchise and it is the most commonly known name for it. Rimes is the most commonly known artist to do this song so to post it as Mack is breaking the WP:COMMON Rule. Swifty* talk contribs 20:22, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
No because Blue (LeAnn Rimes song) was created first then this page Blue (Bill Mack song), many years later, it should've been as I had put it redirected to Blue (LeAnn Rimes song) under WP:COMMON instead of being merged and any conflicts should've been discussed on the talk page but instead people did what they wanted and now caused a complete conflict. Swifty* talk contribs 15:05, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
This is Swifty, my account has a perma ban on it that I created. First to Richhoncho no one has proved that Mack released the song as a single no one so you're whole he did is still unproved as I pointed out DEMOS don't count. Second to Moriori none of your agruements and facts prove it deserves to be under his name just that he wrote it nothing else. RIMES RELEASED IT AS A SINGLE MACK DIDN'T AND NO ONE ELSE DID AND SHE IS MOST COMMONLY KNOWN but EVERYONE wants to pick and chose the rules and it's ridiculous. That's why I'm done you all can do what you want I don't care anymore you break the rules and feel good about it that's all your issues NOT mine. The vandals are those who want to break the rules. Bye. 99.148.192.124 ( talk) 19:51, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
{{
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help). It says and I quote "Wilbur took a little longer to be convinced. "The first time I heard 'Blue' I didn't like it, but it was a demo version that sounded old fashion.""
Swifty*
talk
06:31, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 04:29, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Blue (Bill Mack song) →
Blue (LeAnn Rimes song) – This merge was done based on mis-concepts, unreliable sources that are completely contradicted and Rimes is most commonly connected to the song not Mack. As I have pointed out SEVERAL times there is no denying Mack recorded the song but as pointed out Dfw.com and globaldogproductions.info is not reliable and was not enough for all the problems it caused. It needs to be moved back and all unreliable sources need to be removed.
Swifty*
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11:18, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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This page was deliberately made after this incident here, and here it is a deliberate attempt at vandalism as the sources are questionable. Dfw.com uses a music video that is uploaded by a fan not Rimes herself that's the biggest hint right there many of the other sources are not very reliable. So I ask this page be deleted. Swifty* talk contribs 11:52, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
This article should not be speedy deleted as lacking sufficient context to identify its subject, because this is the original version of the song, by the songwriter, and the redirect should be from Blue (LeAnn Rimes song) to this page, rather than the other way round. Whether the song is a single or otherwise is irrrelevant, whether the Mack or Rimes version make it notable is equally irrelevant. This is the orginal version, as recorded by the songwriter, and was before it as turned into a redirect and nominated for speedy deletion (why?) a referenced article and part of the story of the song. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 11:53, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Proof this was deliberately done here, here, and here Swifty* talk contribs 12:04, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Nope it's not a reliable source that was uploaded by a user and not Mack himself and I listened to it and that's the demo he sent to Rimes.
Swifty*
talk
contribs
12:46, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I'd also like to point out the summary:
From 1958, this is the very first version of the song made famous by LeAnn Rimes in 1996. Kenny Roberts' version was released also on Starday label in 1966.
This does not prove that Mack or Roberts released it as a single it only proves that they recorded it and that song pages are usually singles or promotional singles and as there has been no proof given that Mack released this as a single merging the two pages is not necessary and the redirect is correct. Swifty* talk contribs 12:59, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
As seen here, here, and here this page was deliberately made out of an attempt of vandalism and as such needs to be deleted, also Richhoncho seems to think it is okay to do such things because of what is seen above when the obvious is shown. Also I'd like to point out that the sources used were the cause of the edit war on the Blue (LeAnn Rimes song) page and is another proof that this page was made out of pure vandalism. Fastily was also involved and warned the user against their vandalism and she is an admin on here. Swifty* talk contribs 13:26, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because the editor who added this speedy request has already added and deleted a speedy before, please see talk page for the full details. It wasn't pure vandalism or hoax last time, so that claim needs to validated --
Richhoncho (
talk)
14:27, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
REMOVED balance of copy and paste from articles.
Look at the sources they are the same ones that was causing an edit war hmmmmmm. Swifty* talk contribs 15:08, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
It is disputed whether this article should be titled Blue (LeAnn Rimes song) and concern the composition and LeAnn Rimes' single or whether it would be more appropriate for it to be titled Blue (LeAnn Rimes single) and only concern her single, or whether it would be better named Blue (Bill Mack song) and cover the composition and also covers of it (including LeAnn Rimes' single). I personally support the second option (and a separate article on the LeAnn Rimes cover), but as there is no clear consensus in prior discussion I am initiating a request for comment on the issue. -- He to Hecuba ( talk) 17:33, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
As pointed out to Kww. There are demo released and I've always heard that Mack released a demo of the song to artist so someone could record it. Rimes herself got a copy of the demo. Another good point here is that Linda Davis recorded a demo of "Does He Love You" prior to hers and Reba's recording of the song but does that mean the page should be totally devoted to Linda Davis as she's the previous sing? NO it should only be those who released it as a single. Swifty* talk contribs 17:57, 21 February 2012 (UTC) Source to Linda Davis recording "Does He Love You" before their duet: Reba: My Story Swifty* talk contribs 17:59, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
WP:COMMON it's interesting how people will throw rules around like WP:COMMON and everyone will pick and chose to follow the rules. Rimes is most notable for the song not Mack, or any other artist at that matter. And if I have this right it's Wikipedia's rule to uphold that. So yes it should be under Blue (LeAnn Rimes song) not Blue (Bill Mack song). Swifty* talk contribs 15:07, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Another good example of pick and chose is Sailor Moon where most of the titles are either Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon and Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon but all go under the name of Sailor Moon as it's a franchise and it is the most commonly known name for it. Rimes is the most commonly known artist to do this song so to post it as Mack is breaking the WP:COMMON Rule. Swifty* talk contribs 20:22, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
No because Blue (LeAnn Rimes song) was created first then this page Blue (Bill Mack song), many years later, it should've been as I had put it redirected to Blue (LeAnn Rimes song) under WP:COMMON instead of being merged and any conflicts should've been discussed on the talk page but instead people did what they wanted and now caused a complete conflict. Swifty* talk contribs 15:05, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
This is Swifty, my account has a perma ban on it that I created. First to Richhoncho no one has proved that Mack released the song as a single no one so you're whole he did is still unproved as I pointed out DEMOS don't count. Second to Moriori none of your agruements and facts prove it deserves to be under his name just that he wrote it nothing else. RIMES RELEASED IT AS A SINGLE MACK DIDN'T AND NO ONE ELSE DID AND SHE IS MOST COMMONLY KNOWN but EVERYONE wants to pick and chose the rules and it's ridiculous. That's why I'm done you all can do what you want I don't care anymore you break the rules and feel good about it that's all your issues NOT mine. The vandals are those who want to break the rules. Bye. 99.148.192.124 ( talk) 19:51, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
: |access-date=
requires |url=
(
help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors=
(
help). It says and I quote "Wilbur took a little longer to be convinced. "The first time I heard 'Blue' I didn't like it, but it was a demo version that sounded old fashion.""
Swifty*
talk
06:31, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 04:29, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Blue (Bill Mack song) →
Blue (LeAnn Rimes song) – This merge was done based on mis-concepts, unreliable sources that are completely contradicted and Rimes is most commonly connected to the song not Mack. As I have pointed out SEVERAL times there is no denying Mack recorded the song but as pointed out Dfw.com and globaldogproductions.info is not reliable and was not enough for all the problems it caused. It needs to be moved back and all unreliable sources need to be removed.
Swifty*
talk
11:18, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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