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I maintain that this article is legitimate as a stand-alone page. It documents a collaborative effort which spanned two albums, both of which charted in the United States; it is treated as a separate entity by All Music Guide, and both of the albums charted and sold well. Redirecting to one of the album pages makes vanishingly little sense. Chubbles ( talk) 04:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
The following text added by an anon was removed by a regular editor:
"representing the Crips were AWOL(shot dead in 2003 by a policeman- Kelly Park Compton Crips), BK(dead- Rollin 60 Neighborhood Crips), Big Freeze(dead- Watts Franklin Crips), Blue Rag(dead- Tragniew Compton Crips), Broncoe(Eastside Fudge Town Mafia Crips), C-Note(Rollin 20's Long Beach Crips), Cixx Pac(gunned down by Bounty Hunter Bloods in 1999-Watts Franklin Crips), Do Or Die(dead- Tragniew Compton Crips), Sin Loc(gunned down by Tree Top Pirus in 1993- Rollin 60 Neighborhood Crips), G-Bone(now an O.G. of the gang- South Atlantic Drive Compton Crips), Koollay(dead- Watts Franklin Crips), Scarface(dead- South Atlantic Drive Compton Crips) and Twin Loc(Avalon Gangster Crips)."
Parked here for historical interest and pending possible reintroduction; it seems particularly worthy of note that so many of the contributors to this project are already dead. Chubbles ( talk) 20:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
User:Chubbles and myself do not agree on wheter this article should exists or not. Basically the first thread on this talk page gives an idea why. Also,
User talk:Tasc0#B.26C_again should be read too.
I'll try to make my point simple:
Hey. The existence of an article isn't really something that's suited for a third opinion. If you don't think the article should exist, consider putting it up at WP:AFD. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 22:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
At one point in time there was a group called Bloods and Crips. It wasn't until after their second album release that they went their seperate ways and became the Damu Ridaz and so on. The group eventually broke up due to the violation of the cease fire treaty between the Bloods and Crips. The album 'Bangin on Wax' didn't even drop until after the treaty was signed and active. When the cease fire was over, so to were the Bloods and Crips, and thus the two seperate groups in which you speak of were formed. Before the album, they were all individual representatives of their various respective sets. They were not already identified as two seperate groups. As a matter of fact Ronnie Ron had auditions prior to the production of the album to see who was going to record. The people on the albums are that final product. The final cut if you will. Prior to this audition and 2 albums, many of the members either didn't know each other or only knew of each other by name and reputation.- B.H —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.208.240.63 ( talk) 17:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Did someone seriously just request citations for group members? This is really taking WP:RS to an absurd degree. For one thing, I took the members I added straight from the AMG history of the group, which is only partial. Second, what I really wanted in adding the expand tag was for someone who owns the album to fill in all the members listed on the CD booklet (I presume they are listed, and if not there is surely a way to access this information). I am absolutely not going to sit and add cite tags to each member, as this is cumbersome, unfriendly, awkward and inhibitive for newer editors. There is nothing controversial about a memberlist. Chubbles ( talk) 22:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Forgive me for budging in, but if the member list is sourced to AMG, then a simple reference will suffice. Something like <ref name="AMG">{{cite web |url= http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:0zfyxqy5ld0e~T1 |title= Bloods & Crips Biography |accessdate=2008-06-05 |last= Kergan |first= Wade |date= |work= allmusic |publisher= Macrovision Corporation}}</ref>. ˉˉ anetode ╦╩ 01:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I've put in another third-opinion request about this. I have noted where I got the information; there is no reasonable dispute over the fact that the current listed members were in the group, and still another editor has insisted that they fail WP:V. Now each member is tagged with a citation from AMG. I have never seen us so enslaved to a policy; this whole conversation borders on the sociopathic. If anything else, these cites should be removed per WP:IAR. It's as absurd as requiring a third-party source for verifying that George Harrison was in the Beatles. Chubbles ( talk) 14:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
The Brims in NYC, are some of the most ruthless gang members in America. Some, members have been concluded as delicate situations. Do to there over compensation for violence. Some higher up members such as Scar, and Chuck Taylor have been known to higher some of the young mentioned members to do their dirty work. In May of 2011 there were a string of shootings killing 3 rival gang members, in the Mott Haven section of the Bronx. Police questioned Devan "Storm" Jackson and Omar Nieves better known as "Omar Brim," for the murders even though no one was convicted and Jackson/Nieves both got to walk. They had once again been in the public eye after Jacksons childhood friend, Marquis Samuels was stabbed to death in his birthday. By the same members of the victims Jackson and Nieves had allegedly murdered earlier that year. It was said that Storm Brim(Jackson) had retaliated by stabbing a member of the 9 Trey Gangster Bloods and Jackson was found guilty on aggravated assault but was than looked at as a true pioneer of the new school Blood gangmembers as a "Real G." Shortly after his incarceration the 5/9 Brims had than had a name for themselves as the new impetuous super power in the South Bronx dealing in drugs and the distribution of firearms to other organizations within there threshold in order to maximize safety amongst these groups. As Thomas, "Scar" Martin was being released in the Winter of 2012 the other floor generals had come to an agreement that he had started an unsanctioned war amongst the 5/9 Brims and there new sworn enemies the 9 Trey gangsters. Within months of Storm Brim's release there was said to be a contract on his head due to the killings earlier that summer and he was forced to leave the Bronx by that borough's Alderman LeAnn Patrick. Having to leave his family due to but not only a 838 section C protection by the state. He was also labeled as a menace to society with his return to New York City as a violation of his departure and to be tried as a gang leader under the mandated Rico Law which would've landed him in the state penitentiary for 15 to 20 years. So, it is said that said by an unknown source that Jackson had recently moved south to the Carolinas and Nieves since than has been in and out of the State Facility with newly given position as the new 4th floor general of the 5/9 Brims. One of few organizations in NYC can say that they were responsible for creating a new law that opposed and gave any member of a gang who has had prior convictions with a threat to his or her life the ability to be unable to reside in the city for the duration of there life due to the reoccurance of possible violence or murder. This known as the Hempstead Act. you can ( talk) 01:51, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
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I maintain that this article is legitimate as a stand-alone page. It documents a collaborative effort which spanned two albums, both of which charted in the United States; it is treated as a separate entity by All Music Guide, and both of the albums charted and sold well. Redirecting to one of the album pages makes vanishingly little sense. Chubbles ( talk) 04:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
The following text added by an anon was removed by a regular editor:
"representing the Crips were AWOL(shot dead in 2003 by a policeman- Kelly Park Compton Crips), BK(dead- Rollin 60 Neighborhood Crips), Big Freeze(dead- Watts Franklin Crips), Blue Rag(dead- Tragniew Compton Crips), Broncoe(Eastside Fudge Town Mafia Crips), C-Note(Rollin 20's Long Beach Crips), Cixx Pac(gunned down by Bounty Hunter Bloods in 1999-Watts Franklin Crips), Do Or Die(dead- Tragniew Compton Crips), Sin Loc(gunned down by Tree Top Pirus in 1993- Rollin 60 Neighborhood Crips), G-Bone(now an O.G. of the gang- South Atlantic Drive Compton Crips), Koollay(dead- Watts Franklin Crips), Scarface(dead- South Atlantic Drive Compton Crips) and Twin Loc(Avalon Gangster Crips)."
Parked here for historical interest and pending possible reintroduction; it seems particularly worthy of note that so many of the contributors to this project are already dead. Chubbles ( talk) 20:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
User:Chubbles and myself do not agree on wheter this article should exists or not. Basically the first thread on this talk page gives an idea why. Also,
User talk:Tasc0#B.26C_again should be read too.
I'll try to make my point simple:
Hey. The existence of an article isn't really something that's suited for a third opinion. If you don't think the article should exist, consider putting it up at WP:AFD. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 22:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
At one point in time there was a group called Bloods and Crips. It wasn't until after their second album release that they went their seperate ways and became the Damu Ridaz and so on. The group eventually broke up due to the violation of the cease fire treaty between the Bloods and Crips. The album 'Bangin on Wax' didn't even drop until after the treaty was signed and active. When the cease fire was over, so to were the Bloods and Crips, and thus the two seperate groups in which you speak of were formed. Before the album, they were all individual representatives of their various respective sets. They were not already identified as two seperate groups. As a matter of fact Ronnie Ron had auditions prior to the production of the album to see who was going to record. The people on the albums are that final product. The final cut if you will. Prior to this audition and 2 albums, many of the members either didn't know each other or only knew of each other by name and reputation.- B.H —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.208.240.63 ( talk) 17:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Did someone seriously just request citations for group members? This is really taking WP:RS to an absurd degree. For one thing, I took the members I added straight from the AMG history of the group, which is only partial. Second, what I really wanted in adding the expand tag was for someone who owns the album to fill in all the members listed on the CD booklet (I presume they are listed, and if not there is surely a way to access this information). I am absolutely not going to sit and add cite tags to each member, as this is cumbersome, unfriendly, awkward and inhibitive for newer editors. There is nothing controversial about a memberlist. Chubbles ( talk) 22:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Forgive me for budging in, but if the member list is sourced to AMG, then a simple reference will suffice. Something like <ref name="AMG">{{cite web |url= http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:0zfyxqy5ld0e~T1 |title= Bloods & Crips Biography |accessdate=2008-06-05 |last= Kergan |first= Wade |date= |work= allmusic |publisher= Macrovision Corporation}}</ref>. ˉˉ anetode ╦╩ 01:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I've put in another third-opinion request about this. I have noted where I got the information; there is no reasonable dispute over the fact that the current listed members were in the group, and still another editor has insisted that they fail WP:V. Now each member is tagged with a citation from AMG. I have never seen us so enslaved to a policy; this whole conversation borders on the sociopathic. If anything else, these cites should be removed per WP:IAR. It's as absurd as requiring a third-party source for verifying that George Harrison was in the Beatles. Chubbles ( talk) 14:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
The Brims in NYC, are some of the most ruthless gang members in America. Some, members have been concluded as delicate situations. Do to there over compensation for violence. Some higher up members such as Scar, and Chuck Taylor have been known to higher some of the young mentioned members to do their dirty work. In May of 2011 there were a string of shootings killing 3 rival gang members, in the Mott Haven section of the Bronx. Police questioned Devan "Storm" Jackson and Omar Nieves better known as "Omar Brim," for the murders even though no one was convicted and Jackson/Nieves both got to walk. They had once again been in the public eye after Jacksons childhood friend, Marquis Samuels was stabbed to death in his birthday. By the same members of the victims Jackson and Nieves had allegedly murdered earlier that year. It was said that Storm Brim(Jackson) had retaliated by stabbing a member of the 9 Trey Gangster Bloods and Jackson was found guilty on aggravated assault but was than looked at as a true pioneer of the new school Blood gangmembers as a "Real G." Shortly after his incarceration the 5/9 Brims had than had a name for themselves as the new impetuous super power in the South Bronx dealing in drugs and the distribution of firearms to other organizations within there threshold in order to maximize safety amongst these groups. As Thomas, "Scar" Martin was being released in the Winter of 2012 the other floor generals had come to an agreement that he had started an unsanctioned war amongst the 5/9 Brims and there new sworn enemies the 9 Trey gangsters. Within months of Storm Brim's release there was said to be a contract on his head due to the killings earlier that summer and he was forced to leave the Bronx by that borough's Alderman LeAnn Patrick. Having to leave his family due to but not only a 838 section C protection by the state. He was also labeled as a menace to society with his return to New York City as a violation of his departure and to be tried as a gang leader under the mandated Rico Law which would've landed him in the state penitentiary for 15 to 20 years. So, it is said that said by an unknown source that Jackson had recently moved south to the Carolinas and Nieves since than has been in and out of the State Facility with newly given position as the new 4th floor general of the 5/9 Brims. One of few organizations in NYC can say that they were responsible for creating a new law that opposed and gave any member of a gang who has had prior convictions with a threat to his or her life the ability to be unable to reside in the city for the duration of there life due to the reoccurance of possible violence or murder. This known as the Hempstead Act. you can ( talk) 01:51, 11 January 2017 (UTC)