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"...devoted to the protection of Quebec's interests in the House of Commons of Canada, and the promotion of Quebec sovereignty..."
Personally, I think it should read: "...devoted to the promotion of Quebec sovereignty, and the protection of Quebec's interests in the House of Commons of Canada..."
Pursuit of Quebec sovereignty is first and foremost in the party's platform. Lucien Bouchard made that clear in the early days of the Bloc's formation.
Thus, it should be mentioned as the first phrase, in that opening sentence.
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What is Duceppe's status? Is he still president & leader of the BQ? GoodDay ( talk) 22:56, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I thought he resigned on election night and I haven't found anything online that says anything different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vale of Glamorgan ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Louis Plamondon is not now, nor has he ever been, the leader of the Bloc Quebecois, interim or otherwise. In fact, it doesn't seem as though the party has a leader at present.
Gilles Duceppe was both leader and president of the BQ before the 2011 election ( thank you, Internet Archive). Vivian Barbot was chosen as the party's interim president after Duceppe's resignation, and she is still interim president as of this writing (source: the party's website).
Plamondon was chosen as the BQ's interim parliamentary leader on 2 June 2011. This is a parliamentary, and not a party, position. It more-or-less corresponds to the former position of House Leader, which no longer formally exists for the BQ as they are no longer an official parliamentary group. This article, clarifying Plamondon's title, does not indicate that he was chosen as party leader. This article, published in 2010, indicates that BQ House Leader Pierre Paquette had the same official title (in French) that Plamondon holds now.
The BQ website does not indicate that the party has a leader, interim or otherwise, at present. The only logical conclusion is that the position is vacant. In the absence of a formal leader, Barbot is the senior party official.
A few published articles since the 2011 election have described Plamondon as the BQ leader. This is due to confusion over the titles. CJCurrie ( talk) 00:34, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Is there a reason why British date formats (e.g. 11 June 1991) are used instead of standard North American English format (June 11, 1991) ? The latter is used for articles about Quebec, Canada, Montreal, Quebec City, PQ, etc. I think that we should use Canadian English by default as it is spoken by Quebec anglophones. Cmoibenlepro ( talk) 13:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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Two users have removed these (myself included), two users have added them back, so I guess it's worth talking about. So, is it really necessary to require citations, in the infobox, for the ideologies of "Quebec nationalism", "Quebec sovereigntism" and "regionalism"? To my mind, these are self-evident in the same way that "liberalism" is for
Liberal Party of Canada, "canadian conservatism" is for
Conservative Party of Canada and "green politics" is for
Green Party of Canada— it is literally in their names, as here. But there's also the fact that these "disputed" BQ ideologues are all mentioned (and cited) within the article itself— in fact as I write this the opening sentence says the BQ … is a federal political party in Canada devoted to Quebec nationalism and the promotion of Quebec sovereignty.[5]
. "Environmentalism", "social democracy", even "left-wing nationalism"— yeah, it makes sense these require sources. But do we really need sources to say that the party whose name translates to "Quebec Bloc", that was founded to promote sovereignty, and that only runs in Quebec is nationalist, sovereigntist and regionalist? —
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It is indicated that the Bloc Québécois' alignment is one of center-left. While one must reckon that the party was in its first 20 years a party of progressive politics, it has shifted sharply to the right since 2015 and, more precisely, since 2019.
Since the federal campaign of 2019, the Bloc has taken a very conservative stance on immigration and minority integration in Québec society. It has taken the mantra of defending Québec's CAQ conservative government at the House of Commons at the expense of its old-time ally the Parti Québécois. https://www.blocquebecois.org/2019/09/12/laicite-76-candidats-du-bloc-sengagent-a-defendre-la-loi-21/.
Moreover, it has also taken a stance against the CERB, a temporary social program to safeguard Canadian wallets in the context of massive layoffs during the 2020 confinement. https://www.blocquebecois.org/2020/05/14/incitatifs-au-travail-ottawa-doit-respecter-son-engagement/.
Finally, its leader Yves-François Blanchet has also tapped into right-wing populistic rhetoric on Islam during Mr. Alghabra's nomination as Minister for the Federal Government. https://globalnews.ca/news/7574235/bloc-quebecois-omar-alghabra-criticism/
Conclusively, one also has to see where the Bloc is now poised to make gains or lose votes. While progressive, the Bloc was a strong choice throughout Francophone left-wing bastions in Montreal. Not anymore. The Bloc is now a viable option only in ridings where it can compete with the Conservative Party of Canada... — Preceding unsigned comment added by CerebralMTL ( talk • contribs) 10:35, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
This looks like, sounds like and smells like WP:OR, find a reliable source (you are not, sadly) calling it a right-wing party. Also, for a right-wing party they sure do love left-wing policies (such as a wealth-tax and green equalization payments https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/bloc-québécois-election-platform-1.6149655 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.190.33.254 ( talk) 04:04, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
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There's an edit war going on regarding the inclusion of "Environmentalism". The included source does not support the claim that environmentalism is part of BQ's ideology; all it supports is that one retired BQ politician suggested in 2011 that the Quebec legislature should look into the safety of asbestos mining. --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 18:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
I know what is problem here, couple of editors think to this place belong to them, they don't care about edit summaries or anything and they think to they can act as they want probably just to collect number or edits. In that they behave really rude and try to scare new editors with some labels etc. 79.101.140.54 ( talk) 20:15, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Seeing as (rightly or wrongly) the IP's goal has been achieved. It appears he's moved on. GoodDay ( talk) 21:27, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Yup, over two weeks now, since his departure. GoodDay ( talk) 21:49, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
I thought there had been a discussion on this already but I don't see it here, so I'm starting a new one.
The proportion of House of Commons seats only in Quebec should be removed from the infobox, it gives an inaccurate impression of the relative size of the party in the legislature. We don't give a proportion of seats by region or a proportion versus seats contested for any other party, it's always seats held versus the size of the legislative body. Furthermore there is no regional subdivision of the House of Commons whereby the proportion of seats held only in Quebec has any relevance to the legislature at all, other than as an ideology which we describe in the article. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 17:53, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Ivanvector, GoodDay, and Impaulrators: I see that there's been some edits about this issue recently. I agree with the previous consensus that including a full column/infobox row on Quebec seats is not a good use of space and potentially misleading. However, since the BQ does only run in Quebec, knowing what proportion of Quebec seats they have won is valuable information. I would propose a note in the infobox and electoral results table in the House of Commons part that says something like "The Bloc only runs candidates in Quebec, which had 75 seats from the 1993 to 2011 elections and 78 seats since the 2015 election". ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 21:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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"...devoted to the protection of Quebec's interests in the House of Commons of Canada, and the promotion of Quebec sovereignty..."
Personally, I think it should read: "...devoted to the promotion of Quebec sovereignty, and the protection of Quebec's interests in the House of Commons of Canada..."
Pursuit of Quebec sovereignty is first and foremost in the party's platform. Lucien Bouchard made that clear in the early days of the Bloc's formation.
Thus, it should be mentioned as the first phrase, in that opening sentence.
--
Atikokan (
talk) 16:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
What is Duceppe's status? Is he still president & leader of the BQ? GoodDay ( talk) 22:56, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I thought he resigned on election night and I haven't found anything online that says anything different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vale of Glamorgan ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Louis Plamondon is not now, nor has he ever been, the leader of the Bloc Quebecois, interim or otherwise. In fact, it doesn't seem as though the party has a leader at present.
Gilles Duceppe was both leader and president of the BQ before the 2011 election ( thank you, Internet Archive). Vivian Barbot was chosen as the party's interim president after Duceppe's resignation, and she is still interim president as of this writing (source: the party's website).
Plamondon was chosen as the BQ's interim parliamentary leader on 2 June 2011. This is a parliamentary, and not a party, position. It more-or-less corresponds to the former position of House Leader, which no longer formally exists for the BQ as they are no longer an official parliamentary group. This article, clarifying Plamondon's title, does not indicate that he was chosen as party leader. This article, published in 2010, indicates that BQ House Leader Pierre Paquette had the same official title (in French) that Plamondon holds now.
The BQ website does not indicate that the party has a leader, interim or otherwise, at present. The only logical conclusion is that the position is vacant. In the absence of a formal leader, Barbot is the senior party official.
A few published articles since the 2011 election have described Plamondon as the BQ leader. This is due to confusion over the titles. CJCurrie ( talk) 00:34, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Is there a reason why British date formats (e.g. 11 June 1991) are used instead of standard North American English format (June 11, 1991) ? The latter is used for articles about Quebec, Canada, Montreal, Quebec City, PQ, etc. I think that we should use Canadian English by default as it is spoken by Quebec anglophones. Cmoibenlepro ( talk) 13:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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Two users have removed these (myself included), two users have added them back, so I guess it's worth talking about. So, is it really necessary to require citations, in the infobox, for the ideologies of "Quebec nationalism", "Quebec sovereigntism" and "regionalism"? To my mind, these are self-evident in the same way that "liberalism" is for
Liberal Party of Canada, "canadian conservatism" is for
Conservative Party of Canada and "green politics" is for
Green Party of Canada— it is literally in their names, as here. But there's also the fact that these "disputed" BQ ideologues are all mentioned (and cited) within the article itself— in fact as I write this the opening sentence says the BQ … is a federal political party in Canada devoted to Quebec nationalism and the promotion of Quebec sovereignty.[5]
. "Environmentalism", "social democracy", even "left-wing nationalism"— yeah, it makes sense these require sources. But do we really need sources to say that the party whose name translates to "Quebec Bloc", that was founded to promote sovereignty, and that only runs in Quebec is nationalist, sovereigntist and regionalist? —
Kawnhr (
talk) 20:25, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
It is indicated that the Bloc Québécois' alignment is one of center-left. While one must reckon that the party was in its first 20 years a party of progressive politics, it has shifted sharply to the right since 2015 and, more precisely, since 2019.
Since the federal campaign of 2019, the Bloc has taken a very conservative stance on immigration and minority integration in Québec society. It has taken the mantra of defending Québec's CAQ conservative government at the House of Commons at the expense of its old-time ally the Parti Québécois. https://www.blocquebecois.org/2019/09/12/laicite-76-candidats-du-bloc-sengagent-a-defendre-la-loi-21/.
Moreover, it has also taken a stance against the CERB, a temporary social program to safeguard Canadian wallets in the context of massive layoffs during the 2020 confinement. https://www.blocquebecois.org/2020/05/14/incitatifs-au-travail-ottawa-doit-respecter-son-engagement/.
Finally, its leader Yves-François Blanchet has also tapped into right-wing populistic rhetoric on Islam during Mr. Alghabra's nomination as Minister for the Federal Government. https://globalnews.ca/news/7574235/bloc-quebecois-omar-alghabra-criticism/
Conclusively, one also has to see where the Bloc is now poised to make gains or lose votes. While progressive, the Bloc was a strong choice throughout Francophone left-wing bastions in Montreal. Not anymore. The Bloc is now a viable option only in ridings where it can compete with the Conservative Party of Canada... — Preceding unsigned comment added by CerebralMTL ( talk • contribs) 10:35, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
This looks like, sounds like and smells like WP:OR, find a reliable source (you are not, sadly) calling it a right-wing party. Also, for a right-wing party they sure do love left-wing policies (such as a wealth-tax and green equalization payments https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/bloc-québécois-election-platform-1.6149655 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.190.33.254 ( talk) 04:04, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
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There's an edit war going on regarding the inclusion of "Environmentalism". The included source does not support the claim that environmentalism is part of BQ's ideology; all it supports is that one retired BQ politician suggested in 2011 that the Quebec legislature should look into the safety of asbestos mining. --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 18:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
I know what is problem here, couple of editors think to this place belong to them, they don't care about edit summaries or anything and they think to they can act as they want probably just to collect number or edits. In that they behave really rude and try to scare new editors with some labels etc. 79.101.140.54 ( talk) 20:15, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Seeing as (rightly or wrongly) the IP's goal has been achieved. It appears he's moved on. GoodDay ( talk) 21:27, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Yup, over two weeks now, since his departure. GoodDay ( talk) 21:49, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
I thought there had been a discussion on this already but I don't see it here, so I'm starting a new one.
The proportion of House of Commons seats only in Quebec should be removed from the infobox, it gives an inaccurate impression of the relative size of the party in the legislature. We don't give a proportion of seats by region or a proportion versus seats contested for any other party, it's always seats held versus the size of the legislative body. Furthermore there is no regional subdivision of the House of Commons whereby the proportion of seats held only in Quebec has any relevance to the legislature at all, other than as an ideology which we describe in the article. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 17:53, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
@ Ivanvector, GoodDay, and Impaulrators: I see that there's been some edits about this issue recently. I agree with the previous consensus that including a full column/infobox row on Quebec seats is not a good use of space and potentially misleading. However, since the BQ does only run in Quebec, knowing what proportion of Quebec seats they have won is valuable information. I would propose a note in the infobox and electoral results table in the House of Commons part that says something like "The Bloc only runs candidates in Quebec, which had 75 seats from the 1993 to 2011 elections and 78 seats since the 2015 election". ---- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 21:04, 25 April 2024 (UTC)