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Wondering if the article was restarted from scratch recently (possibly due to a copyright violation), because the article looks really short. -- 69.214.232.105 02:51, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't qualify BleachFan as having "content." It appears to be merely a download link / packlisting site. Speaking more broadly, Wikipedia is not a web directory, so discretion is advised when placing external links. Most articles I've looked at do not link to any fan sites, but only to "official" ones. - mako 06:44, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hmm, anime-specific information is starting to pop up. This page should probably be moved from its current title of "Bleach (manga)", but I can't think of what it should be though. Or is it not necessary, as the anime is based on the manga... but most animes are... meh. - mako 07:09, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
While I'm sure everyone appreciates the new additions to the page, I consider the extremely detailed information on the first chapter/episode to be unneeded, excessively detailed, and setting a bad precedent for the rest of the page. Wikipedia is not for the creation of episode spoiler guides, that's what fan sites are for. Shouldn't we instead focus on the explanation of the Bleach universe as a whole, rather than just the opening scenes?
Posted by Tjstrf
Posted by Tjstrf
Under Shinigami, the Captains and Vice-Captains at the beginning of the series are listed, but wasn't Rukia Vice-Captain for Squad 6 under her brother at that point, and only lost that position when she apparantly went 'rogue' due to losing her powers when she transferred them to Ichigo? Nezu Chiza 21:52, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
Under the captains listing, if we are going to include Shiba as dead, we should also include Aizen and Tousen as no longer being captains either. They betrayed Soul Society and left with a bunch of hollows to become hollows themselves. They definitely are no longer captains. If on the other hand, we are simply listing them as they are at the beginning of the series (and as it states under the titles) Shiba should not be called dead.
Posted by Tjstrf
On another issue, do we need a listing of every single captain and vice captain and seated Shinigami's Shikai and Bankai abilites and their release cries? It's making the article really really long.-- Tjstrf 21:36, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure that the info about his father being a Shinigami should be there. The rest of that section has very little spoilers, and NOTHING that isn't in the first few episodes of the anime and chapters of the manga. The bit about his father is a massive spoiler from FAR into the series. Nezu Chiza 23:22, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I read about how his dad destroyed Grand Fisher "With just one punch". I figured somehow his love for his wife or something powered him to super strong attack or something. Or that ichigo's energy rubed off on him. Then, when I read the manga when he fought Grand Fisher and he was actually a Shinigam I was like "WTF?!!??" That was a pretty big suprsie to me. Thanks for not spoiling to much for me whoever it was... Pompadour Samurai 06:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
We need to be careful of HOW big a spoilers are placed on the page. The last few days various spoilers for far into the series have been entered into the article, and this goes against what it was intended to be...a general synopsis of the series and some minor information and LIMITED spoilers. People, please stop posting things that basically ruin the mystery of the plot for others? It's one thing to mention who made Rukia's gigai body, it's quite another to go off and mention everything relating to it. Nezu Chiza 16:13, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
As of this writing, the article has reached 68k, double the recommended Wiki page size. Therefore, it's time to split off a portion of the article. I'm recommending we split off the characters, as that way we can use brief (non-spoiler) descriptions here, then allow a Bleach characters page to go more in-depth on them. Any thoughts on this?-- Mitsukai 18:15, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach_%28manga%29#Quincy_artifacts
That three sentences used to be three paragraphs. Does wikipedia even give a fuck that people are actually lowering the informative nature of their articles...
We need to decide whether to use Shinigami or a translation of it, and then standardize it throughout all of the Bleach articles. Most notably people have been using either Soul Reaper or God of Death. I understand that different translation teams use different terms, (Lunar uses Death God, while Bleach Society uses Shinigami) but it is rather annoying and could become more of a problem in the future, especially once Bleach gets licensed. -- Tjstrf 08:20, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I vote for an English version (anything other than Shinigami), since we're writing in English. Soul reaper sounds very nice IMO but it's been a while since a major sub group has used this term, so it might cause confusion. Therefore, my vote goes to Death God. -- Ynhockey 09:22, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
But you MUST mention soul reaper!
Now it's 5 against 2. :) Oh, and the whole point of this article is to cater to people who are usually not familiar with the series, so we shall use "Soul Reaper". WhisperToMe 23:41, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
The latest change says the name comes from Nirvana's first album release. Where was this information found? I don't recall any statement by the mangaka about that, and usually he's pretty good about listing sources for his stuff. Anyone know what volume of the manga lists this info? Nezu Chiza 18:42, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
What's your (speaking to everyone) position on spoilers? I see people adding and removing them all the time, but we need a clear position on what manga chapter is the limit, what we can/cannot add, etc.
IMO, in the general bleach article (and Characters in Bleach), we shouldn't have any major spoilers (that is, things that are major and not yet covered in the anime), but the individual character articles (or more specific ones like Zanpakuto, etc), should have 100% spoilers, because if someone goes to such a length to read about Bleach, they are probably fans who at least know the outline of the story. Tough luck for those who insist on not reading the manga, but I mean, this is an encyclopedia, not a promotional summary, so the aim is to have encapsulating info.
Also, someone should make an Isshin article for that part of the story :)
--
Ynhockey
15:36, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone else think we should split the manga and anime pages? That would allow for manga-related info which is considered a spoiler now because it's not in the anime to be added, and also help organization. The negative part is that both pages will have to be updated as more manga/anime comes out in different ways, since the manga is still way ahead in the story.
Also, does anyone have info on the chronology of captaincy? So far here's what I gathered:
Is there any more info on the chronology? I think Aizen called Ukitake senpai (could be wrong), which would mean that most likely Ukitake became captain first (it would also make sense because both Ukitake and Kyouraku seem to be ancient).
-- Ynhockey 20:58, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Where do we write about vizards, arankaru, etc.? I don't mean the actual characters, but also a descriptions of what they are, what they do, etc. It would be a huge spoiler in this article, but no other seems suitable, at least while there aren't separate articles for each. Any suggestions? -- Ynhockey 17:46, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
I think we should remove a lot of info on this page, such as the gotei listings (already on the characters page), as well as specific info like clothes 'modification', which could also go in the description of each character. Does anyone disagree? -- Ynhockey 09:51, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Instead of having seperate pages for Hollows, Plusses, Anraku, and Vaizards, perhaps all the info could be consolidated on a single page?--Chris F.
I disagree. IMO, the more pages the better. No one likes to read a huge page if they only want to find out what Bleach is, and don't care about details. Also, no one wants to search a huge page for a less important detail like how the hollows fight. Modularization also makes it easier for editors like ourselves. In the case of vizards, hollows and arankaru, we don't know much about them yet, but some of the recent manga chapters expand on them. I'm sure the more small details we get, the less full descriptions are appropriate for the main Bleach page. Also, why don't you register an account? -- Ynhockey 00:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
They don't need to go on the main page; there could be a seperate page for all the types of spirits.-- Chris F.
That's exactly what they are doing, except that they are making a seperate page for each different type of spirit.-- Tjstrf 17:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
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Wondering if the article was restarted from scratch recently (possibly due to a copyright violation), because the article looks really short. -- 69.214.232.105 02:51, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't qualify BleachFan as having "content." It appears to be merely a download link / packlisting site. Speaking more broadly, Wikipedia is not a web directory, so discretion is advised when placing external links. Most articles I've looked at do not link to any fan sites, but only to "official" ones. - mako 06:44, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hmm, anime-specific information is starting to pop up. This page should probably be moved from its current title of "Bleach (manga)", but I can't think of what it should be though. Or is it not necessary, as the anime is based on the manga... but most animes are... meh. - mako 07:09, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
While I'm sure everyone appreciates the new additions to the page, I consider the extremely detailed information on the first chapter/episode to be unneeded, excessively detailed, and setting a bad precedent for the rest of the page. Wikipedia is not for the creation of episode spoiler guides, that's what fan sites are for. Shouldn't we instead focus on the explanation of the Bleach universe as a whole, rather than just the opening scenes?
Posted by Tjstrf
Posted by Tjstrf
Under Shinigami, the Captains and Vice-Captains at the beginning of the series are listed, but wasn't Rukia Vice-Captain for Squad 6 under her brother at that point, and only lost that position when she apparantly went 'rogue' due to losing her powers when she transferred them to Ichigo? Nezu Chiza 21:52, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
Under the captains listing, if we are going to include Shiba as dead, we should also include Aizen and Tousen as no longer being captains either. They betrayed Soul Society and left with a bunch of hollows to become hollows themselves. They definitely are no longer captains. If on the other hand, we are simply listing them as they are at the beginning of the series (and as it states under the titles) Shiba should not be called dead.
Posted by Tjstrf
On another issue, do we need a listing of every single captain and vice captain and seated Shinigami's Shikai and Bankai abilites and their release cries? It's making the article really really long.-- Tjstrf 21:36, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure that the info about his father being a Shinigami should be there. The rest of that section has very little spoilers, and NOTHING that isn't in the first few episodes of the anime and chapters of the manga. The bit about his father is a massive spoiler from FAR into the series. Nezu Chiza 23:22, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I read about how his dad destroyed Grand Fisher "With just one punch". I figured somehow his love for his wife or something powered him to super strong attack or something. Or that ichigo's energy rubed off on him. Then, when I read the manga when he fought Grand Fisher and he was actually a Shinigam I was like "WTF?!!??" That was a pretty big suprsie to me. Thanks for not spoiling to much for me whoever it was... Pompadour Samurai 06:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
We need to be careful of HOW big a spoilers are placed on the page. The last few days various spoilers for far into the series have been entered into the article, and this goes against what it was intended to be...a general synopsis of the series and some minor information and LIMITED spoilers. People, please stop posting things that basically ruin the mystery of the plot for others? It's one thing to mention who made Rukia's gigai body, it's quite another to go off and mention everything relating to it. Nezu Chiza 16:13, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
As of this writing, the article has reached 68k, double the recommended Wiki page size. Therefore, it's time to split off a portion of the article. I'm recommending we split off the characters, as that way we can use brief (non-spoiler) descriptions here, then allow a Bleach characters page to go more in-depth on them. Any thoughts on this?-- Mitsukai 18:15, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach_%28manga%29#Quincy_artifacts
That three sentences used to be three paragraphs. Does wikipedia even give a fuck that people are actually lowering the informative nature of their articles...
We need to decide whether to use Shinigami or a translation of it, and then standardize it throughout all of the Bleach articles. Most notably people have been using either Soul Reaper or God of Death. I understand that different translation teams use different terms, (Lunar uses Death God, while Bleach Society uses Shinigami) but it is rather annoying and could become more of a problem in the future, especially once Bleach gets licensed. -- Tjstrf 08:20, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I vote for an English version (anything other than Shinigami), since we're writing in English. Soul reaper sounds very nice IMO but it's been a while since a major sub group has used this term, so it might cause confusion. Therefore, my vote goes to Death God. -- Ynhockey 09:22, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
But you MUST mention soul reaper!
Now it's 5 against 2. :) Oh, and the whole point of this article is to cater to people who are usually not familiar with the series, so we shall use "Soul Reaper". WhisperToMe 23:41, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
The latest change says the name comes from Nirvana's first album release. Where was this information found? I don't recall any statement by the mangaka about that, and usually he's pretty good about listing sources for his stuff. Anyone know what volume of the manga lists this info? Nezu Chiza 18:42, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
What's your (speaking to everyone) position on spoilers? I see people adding and removing them all the time, but we need a clear position on what manga chapter is the limit, what we can/cannot add, etc.
IMO, in the general bleach article (and Characters in Bleach), we shouldn't have any major spoilers (that is, things that are major and not yet covered in the anime), but the individual character articles (or more specific ones like Zanpakuto, etc), should have 100% spoilers, because if someone goes to such a length to read about Bleach, they are probably fans who at least know the outline of the story. Tough luck for those who insist on not reading the manga, but I mean, this is an encyclopedia, not a promotional summary, so the aim is to have encapsulating info.
Also, someone should make an Isshin article for that part of the story :)
--
Ynhockey
15:36, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone else think we should split the manga and anime pages? That would allow for manga-related info which is considered a spoiler now because it's not in the anime to be added, and also help organization. The negative part is that both pages will have to be updated as more manga/anime comes out in different ways, since the manga is still way ahead in the story.
Also, does anyone have info on the chronology of captaincy? So far here's what I gathered:
Is there any more info on the chronology? I think Aizen called Ukitake senpai (could be wrong), which would mean that most likely Ukitake became captain first (it would also make sense because both Ukitake and Kyouraku seem to be ancient).
-- Ynhockey 20:58, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Where do we write about vizards, arankaru, etc.? I don't mean the actual characters, but also a descriptions of what they are, what they do, etc. It would be a huge spoiler in this article, but no other seems suitable, at least while there aren't separate articles for each. Any suggestions? -- Ynhockey 17:46, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
I think we should remove a lot of info on this page, such as the gotei listings (already on the characters page), as well as specific info like clothes 'modification', which could also go in the description of each character. Does anyone disagree? -- Ynhockey 09:51, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Instead of having seperate pages for Hollows, Plusses, Anraku, and Vaizards, perhaps all the info could be consolidated on a single page?--Chris F.
I disagree. IMO, the more pages the better. No one likes to read a huge page if they only want to find out what Bleach is, and don't care about details. Also, no one wants to search a huge page for a less important detail like how the hollows fight. Modularization also makes it easier for editors like ourselves. In the case of vizards, hollows and arankaru, we don't know much about them yet, but some of the recent manga chapters expand on them. I'm sure the more small details we get, the less full descriptions are appropriate for the main Bleach page. Also, why don't you register an account? -- Ynhockey 00:52, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
They don't need to go on the main page; there could be a seperate page for all the types of spirits.-- Chris F.
That's exactly what they are doing, except that they are making a seperate page for each different type of spirit.-- Tjstrf 17:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC)