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The "finest place in England" quote is actually uttered by John Thorpe, one of the most worthless vain pompous bragging (and lying) characters in Jane Austen's novels. When Catherine Morland (the heroine of Northanger Abbey) hears what "Blaize castle" really is, she's glad she didn't visit! Churchh 18:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I felt this required infoboxes for the three specific areas. However, they have all ended up different sizes! It's looks a bit messy and I'm unsure how to adjust the sizes to match. ~Xytram~ ( talk) 12:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi folks. I've taken a photograph of Blaise Castle House. Could it possibly replace the current photograph of the house? ~Xytram~ ( talk) 11:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
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Very pleased to pick this up. Will complete over the weekend.
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Articles passes quick-fail assessment. Main review to follow.
1. It is reasonably well written.
Thanks for all your comments. I am still unsure about the wording relating to "the Harford family" and would welcome further suggestions.— Rod talk 12:25, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
John Scandrett Harford I think this is the only issue left in this section. I think part of the problem is that the Wikipedia page on John Scandrett Harford is wrong. I believe that it incorrectly conflates facts about the father, John Scandrett Harford (born 1754, died 1815 as evidenced on page 2 of this [1] and the son, John Scandrett Harford (born 1787 [other sources say 1785/6], died 1866 as evidenced here [2]). I think the father bought the Blaise Estate and built the mansion and the hamlet, while the son built the Picture Room. I think this is supported by Foyle/Pevsner and by Jenkins. And it fits the dates. Plainly the Wikipedia article can't be right re. the purchase as the son would have been an infant of between 2 and 4 years when the estate was purchased in 1789. And it's no more likely right about the hamlet which was built 1810-11. The father was still alive and the son would have been in his 20s.
Setting all this aside, I think it impacts on the article at 2 points. Firstly, the lede, the relevant bit of which says; "After Farr's bankruptcy the estate was sold several times until purchased by the family of John Scandrett Harford who, in 1789, demolished the existing house and built the Neoclassical Blaise Castle House which his family occupied until 1926 when it was bought by Bristol City Council." I'd suggest re-wording to something like; "After Farr's bankruptcy, the estate was sold several times until purchased by John Harford (or John Scandrett Harford the Elder) who, in 1789, demolished the existing house and built the Neoclassical Blaise Castle House which his family occupied until 1926 when it was bought by Bristol City Council." The second area of concern is the Blaise Hamlet section, the relevant portion of which reads; "Blaise Hamlet was built around 1811 for retired employees of Quaker banker and philanthropist John Scandrett Harford, who owned Blaise Castle House." Again, I think it should read; "Blaise Hamlet was built around 1811 for retired employees of Quaker banker and philanthropist John Harford, who owned Blaise Castle House." Although, as you've already said this in the Blaise Castle House section, you could just have; "Blaise Hamlet was built around 1811 for Harford's retired employees."
The reference to the son and the picture gallery in the Blaise Castle House section is correctly linked, of course. I do hope this is all clear!
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I just had a look through the article prior to replying to the latest comment at WT:GAN, and while it's in generally good shape, I think it still needs a bit of work to attain GA status. There's one place where it clearly doesn't meet the manual of style lead section criterion, and that is its length: the article is about 7500 prose characters, which according to WP:LEADLENGTH indicates a lead section of one or two paragraphs; this one is three paragraphs. I doubt this will require much work, but it should be done; I'd also recast the "listing" sentence, which hasn't been changed since the article name revision. I would also avoid unnecessary use of parentheses in the lead section—I'm not entirely sure why Gloucestershire is mentioned given how many centuries prior to the castle's construction that Bristol became a county, and the two names for the same Harcourt is a bit clumsy (was he really called "the Elder"?)—and I was surprised to see a wikilink to the wrong Harcourt in the infobox (it has been removed).
I have made a few copyedits, and one of them included combining the John Nash works in the final section of the article, "The estate": I moved the dairy up to go along with the conservatory and the almshouses. After a subsequent rereading of the article, however, I realized that the mentions of the conservatory and the almshouses were redundant. The conservatory is covered in the Blaise Castle House section (though not the fact that it was connected to the house by Cockerell over 25 years later, which is stated in reference 3 and 33 [identical sources, so these should probably be combined]). My initial impression is that the almshouses were something separate, but as best I can tell these are the houses built by Nash in Blaise Hamlet, which already has its own section and shouldn't be mentioned here as if it were something different.
Also in that section, it says Parts of Repton's designs still exist, notably the carriage drive which winds its way from the house.
The way this reads I would have expected the entire carriage drive to be extant, but if I'm reading ref 3 correctly, at least one section was later rerouted, so perhaps a slight rewording is in order.
As the article is no longer named "Blaise Castle", I think the section named "The castle" should probably be renamed "Blaise Castle". I do believe that Blaise Hamlet is no longer contiguous with the rest of the estate; perhaps that could be clarified in the article.
Finally, I'd check to see whether any other references are duplicates, and whether wording is consistent. For example, Bristol City Museum and Art Gallery is sometimes preceded by "the" and sometimes not. I'd probably go with a consistent "the". BlueMoonset ( talk) 18:01, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
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The "finest place in England" quote is actually uttered by John Thorpe, one of the most worthless vain pompous bragging (and lying) characters in Jane Austen's novels. When Catherine Morland (the heroine of Northanger Abbey) hears what "Blaize castle" really is, she's glad she didn't visit! Churchh 18:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I felt this required infoboxes for the three specific areas. However, they have all ended up different sizes! It's looks a bit messy and I'm unsure how to adjust the sizes to match. ~Xytram~ ( talk) 12:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi folks. I've taken a photograph of Blaise Castle House. Could it possibly replace the current photograph of the house? ~Xytram~ ( talk) 11:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
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Reviewer: KJP1 ( talk · contribs) 11:41, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Very pleased to pick this up. Will complete over the weekend.
KJP1 (
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18:12, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Articles passes quick-fail assessment. Main review to follow.
1. It is reasonably well written.
Thanks for all your comments. I am still unsure about the wording relating to "the Harford family" and would welcome further suggestions.— Rod talk 12:25, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
John Scandrett Harford I think this is the only issue left in this section. I think part of the problem is that the Wikipedia page on John Scandrett Harford is wrong. I believe that it incorrectly conflates facts about the father, John Scandrett Harford (born 1754, died 1815 as evidenced on page 2 of this [1] and the son, John Scandrett Harford (born 1787 [other sources say 1785/6], died 1866 as evidenced here [2]). I think the father bought the Blaise Estate and built the mansion and the hamlet, while the son built the Picture Room. I think this is supported by Foyle/Pevsner and by Jenkins. And it fits the dates. Plainly the Wikipedia article can't be right re. the purchase as the son would have been an infant of between 2 and 4 years when the estate was purchased in 1789. And it's no more likely right about the hamlet which was built 1810-11. The father was still alive and the son would have been in his 20s.
Setting all this aside, I think it impacts on the article at 2 points. Firstly, the lede, the relevant bit of which says; "After Farr's bankruptcy the estate was sold several times until purchased by the family of John Scandrett Harford who, in 1789, demolished the existing house and built the Neoclassical Blaise Castle House which his family occupied until 1926 when it was bought by Bristol City Council." I'd suggest re-wording to something like; "After Farr's bankruptcy, the estate was sold several times until purchased by John Harford (or John Scandrett Harford the Elder) who, in 1789, demolished the existing house and built the Neoclassical Blaise Castle House which his family occupied until 1926 when it was bought by Bristol City Council." The second area of concern is the Blaise Hamlet section, the relevant portion of which reads; "Blaise Hamlet was built around 1811 for retired employees of Quaker banker and philanthropist John Scandrett Harford, who owned Blaise Castle House." Again, I think it should read; "Blaise Hamlet was built around 1811 for retired employees of Quaker banker and philanthropist John Harford, who owned Blaise Castle House." Although, as you've already said this in the Blaise Castle House section, you could just have; "Blaise Hamlet was built around 1811 for Harford's retired employees."
The reference to the son and the picture gallery in the Blaise Castle House section is correctly linked, of course. I do hope this is all clear!
2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
3. It is broad in its scope.
4. It follows the neutral point of view policy
5. It is stable
6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
7. Overall
I just had a look through the article prior to replying to the latest comment at WT:GAN, and while it's in generally good shape, I think it still needs a bit of work to attain GA status. There's one place where it clearly doesn't meet the manual of style lead section criterion, and that is its length: the article is about 7500 prose characters, which according to WP:LEADLENGTH indicates a lead section of one or two paragraphs; this one is three paragraphs. I doubt this will require much work, but it should be done; I'd also recast the "listing" sentence, which hasn't been changed since the article name revision. I would also avoid unnecessary use of parentheses in the lead section—I'm not entirely sure why Gloucestershire is mentioned given how many centuries prior to the castle's construction that Bristol became a county, and the two names for the same Harcourt is a bit clumsy (was he really called "the Elder"?)—and I was surprised to see a wikilink to the wrong Harcourt in the infobox (it has been removed).
I have made a few copyedits, and one of them included combining the John Nash works in the final section of the article, "The estate": I moved the dairy up to go along with the conservatory and the almshouses. After a subsequent rereading of the article, however, I realized that the mentions of the conservatory and the almshouses were redundant. The conservatory is covered in the Blaise Castle House section (though not the fact that it was connected to the house by Cockerell over 25 years later, which is stated in reference 3 and 33 [identical sources, so these should probably be combined]). My initial impression is that the almshouses were something separate, but as best I can tell these are the houses built by Nash in Blaise Hamlet, which already has its own section and shouldn't be mentioned here as if it were something different.
Also in that section, it says Parts of Repton's designs still exist, notably the carriage drive which winds its way from the house.
The way this reads I would have expected the entire carriage drive to be extant, but if I'm reading ref 3 correctly, at least one section was later rerouted, so perhaps a slight rewording is in order.
As the article is no longer named "Blaise Castle", I think the section named "The castle" should probably be renamed "Blaise Castle". I do believe that Blaise Hamlet is no longer contiguous with the rest of the estate; perhaps that could be clarified in the article.
Finally, I'd check to see whether any other references are duplicates, and whether wording is consistent. For example, Bristol City Museum and Art Gallery is sometimes preceded by "the" and sometimes not. I'd probably go with a consistent "the". BlueMoonset ( talk) 18:01, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
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