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This is not a jazz album and David Bowie was never a jazz musician. That you can find sources that say otherwise is a poor reflection on those sources and on those who chose to use them. You can also find sources that say the world is flat. That doesn't mean that I would use them. Blackstar is neither avant-garde jazz nor jazz of any kind. I have not heard of the genre "experimental jazz". It must be a recent vintage. To some degree all jazz is experimental. I have made this point before: Just because an album "incorporates jazz" or was "influenced by jazz" doesn't make it a jazz album. It's not just misleading. It's wrong. Queen made an album called Jazz that has nothing to do with it. So let's not be mesmerized by words. On the plus side, whoever decided to clarify this album jazz has given real jazz fans and critics a good laugh. Unfortunately, this has come at the expense of Wikipedia's sagging credibility.
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The prose mentions jazz a few times, so I've added this article to WikiProject Jazz above. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:14, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Zmbro: Thanks for your recent edits. I'm curious, do you have Good article nomination on your radar? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:54, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
"to top the Billboard 200 in the United States" - do we need "Billboard 200" and "the United States" , particularly in the lead? Mostly that sort of statement would be "tops Billboard chart" or "number one in the US" rather than both as Billboard is the American chart, so it's like saying "to top the US chart in the US". SilkTork ( talk) 11:59, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
I think I've done or tagged the statements that concerned me. Good luck with the GA when you do it! SilkTork ( talk) 12:26, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Per this consensus, best-of lists should be reduced to 10 publications. -- Apoxyomenus ( talk) 17:52, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Nice article, but it seems a little odd that there isn't a single image of the actual singer anywhere. AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 12:18, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
I don't really care what the citation says but the cover artwork is more obviously saying 253,333 (count the points)
David Bowie in a rather known gematria cipher is 37, a star number whose mirror is the only star number in its sequence. He was saying "I'm the star of David". Same as Aleister Crowley (59) changed his name from Edward to cipher the same as Jesus Christ (59)
Using the same cipher "Im a Blackstar" also comes to 37 ironically
37|73 (it's a star of David reverence...) As_above,_so_below.
333 is the number of Choronzon (search 333) in Thelema... the abyss dweller one faces when you die similar to ammit in Egyptian mythology. it's the number of The_Book_of_Lies_(Crowley) by Aleister Crowley (Liber MMMCCCIII, 333)
The video for this song kind of confirms all of this if you pay attention. Isis, Haddit, Nuit and all sorts of that kind of Thelema-based knowledge is obvious.
It's saying the star is dying. 253 is also a star number.
Bowie was heavily influenced by Aleister Crowley and was into Enochian Magic and all that stuff... Sorry, you guys are kind of blind.
Bowie also died 3 days after his birthday (the 10th). If you look at the 3 day resurrection concept of the solstice (death of the white star in sun god worship) and revolve that around his birthday you kind of hit rather close to his birthday then 8,9,10 (died on the 10th). He probably committed suicide and actually didn't die of what is stated in the news. As an artist he wouldn't have let his death be insignificant when he could project that image of the "Blackstar" dying in the reverse of the Solstice.
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This is not a jazz album and David Bowie was never a jazz musician. That you can find sources that say otherwise is a poor reflection on those sources and on those who chose to use them. You can also find sources that say the world is flat. That doesn't mean that I would use them. Blackstar is neither avant-garde jazz nor jazz of any kind. I have not heard of the genre "experimental jazz". It must be a recent vintage. To some degree all jazz is experimental. I have made this point before: Just because an album "incorporates jazz" or was "influenced by jazz" doesn't make it a jazz album. It's not just misleading. It's wrong. Queen made an album called Jazz that has nothing to do with it. So let's not be mesmerized by words. On the plus side, whoever decided to clarify this album jazz has given real jazz fans and critics a good laugh. Unfortunately, this has come at the expense of Wikipedia's sagging credibility.
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The prose mentions jazz a few times, so I've added this article to WikiProject Jazz above. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:14, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
@ Zmbro: Thanks for your recent edits. I'm curious, do you have Good article nomination on your radar? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:54, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
"to top the Billboard 200 in the United States" - do we need "Billboard 200" and "the United States" , particularly in the lead? Mostly that sort of statement would be "tops Billboard chart" or "number one in the US" rather than both as Billboard is the American chart, so it's like saying "to top the US chart in the US". SilkTork ( talk) 11:59, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
I think I've done or tagged the statements that concerned me. Good luck with the GA when you do it! SilkTork ( talk) 12:26, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Per this consensus, best-of lists should be reduced to 10 publications. -- Apoxyomenus ( talk) 17:52, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Nice article, but it seems a little odd that there isn't a single image of the actual singer anywhere. AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 12:18, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
I don't really care what the citation says but the cover artwork is more obviously saying 253,333 (count the points)
David Bowie in a rather known gematria cipher is 37, a star number whose mirror is the only star number in its sequence. He was saying "I'm the star of David". Same as Aleister Crowley (59) changed his name from Edward to cipher the same as Jesus Christ (59)
Using the same cipher "Im a Blackstar" also comes to 37 ironically
37|73 (it's a star of David reverence...) As_above,_so_below.
333 is the number of Choronzon (search 333) in Thelema... the abyss dweller one faces when you die similar to ammit in Egyptian mythology. it's the number of The_Book_of_Lies_(Crowley) by Aleister Crowley (Liber MMMCCCIII, 333)
The video for this song kind of confirms all of this if you pay attention. Isis, Haddit, Nuit and all sorts of that kind of Thelema-based knowledge is obvious.
It's saying the star is dying. 253 is also a star number.
Bowie was heavily influenced by Aleister Crowley and was into Enochian Magic and all that stuff... Sorry, you guys are kind of blind.
Bowie also died 3 days after his birthday (the 10th). If you look at the 3 day resurrection concept of the solstice (death of the white star in sun god worship) and revolve that around his birthday you kind of hit rather close to his birthday then 8,9,10 (died on the 10th). He probably committed suicide and actually didn't die of what is stated in the news. As an artist he wouldn't have let his death be insignificant when he could project that image of the "Blackstar" dying in the reverse of the Solstice.