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See Talk:Black Watch#5-Oct-2007 Merge Proposed. – Conrad T. Pino ( talk) 02:11, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone find a source for this "Ladies from Hell" thing? Preferably one that actually proves they were mentioned as such by Germans. I've been studying Scottish Regiments and neither me nor my professors can find a single German source that suggests they actually said this or any variant of it. Relevant reading: http://bshistorian.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/the-ladies-from-hell/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.36.52.93 ( talk) 13:27, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
It has indeed. This article is deeply dispiritiing. It looks like it was drafted on the back of an envelope.
Addressing some of the multiple issues in order of appearance.
"As part of the Scottish Division it was the senior regiment of the Highland Brigade." This is makes no sense, the Scottish Division replaced the Lowland and Highland Brigades in 1967.
"The regiment's name came from the dark tartan that they wore and from its role to "watch" the Highlands."
The independent companies of the Highland Watch, referred to Gaelic speakers as "am freiceadan dubh," did not comprise a Regiment. When the companies were embodied as a regiment of foot in 1739, their role of watching the Highlands ended soon after. The name however persisted. It may have derived from the colour of tartan cloth provided for some of the independent companies in order that they might achieve uniform appearance as desired by General Wade. It is not a definite fact. The Gaelic name may also have contained a perjorative play on words reflecting the Hanoverian sympathies predominant among the the officers of the companies and a degree of partiality in their policing of the Highlands.
'Black Watch' was originally just a nickname for the 42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot, but was used more and more so that, in 1881, when the 42nd amalgamated with the 73rd Regiment of Foot, the new regiment was named 'The Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)'.
The additional title 'The Black Watch' was granted to the 42nd Royal Highland Regiment in 1861
The uniform changed over time, but the nickname has been more enduring.
What does this mean? Even though it was no longer worn in action, the Black Watch wore more or less the same tartan (it evolved somewhat) until they lost their independent status in 2006.
The regimental motto was Nemo me impune lacessit (no one attacks me with impunity).
This is in fact the motto of the Order of The Thistle and was borne on the badges of other regiments besides the Black Watch.
The Royal Stewart Tartan was worn by the regimental pipers to reflect the status of 'Royal' regiment.
Perhaps. The pipers' Royal Stewart tartan was adopted almost hundred years after the regiment was granted Royal status in 1758.
A number of authors state that the regiment was given the nickname "Ladies from Hell" ("Die Damen aus der Hölle") by German troops
If there is no evidence that the Germans used this nickname, which appears to be the case, where does the German phrase come from? Isn't that contradictory?
(Scottish troops wore kilts up until 1940)
Scottish troops wear the kilt today. Do you mean 'in action'?
"During the state funeral of John F. Kennedy in November 1963, nine bagpipers from the regiment were invited to travel to the United States and participate in the funeral procession.." This could be better expressed. In fact, the Pipes and Drums were still on tour in the US having played at the White House two weeks previously.
To give three lines to the Second World War and a whole paragraph to the Operation Telic deployments to Iraq is disproportionate.
SIDE STRAP
Role Armoured Infantry Size One battalion Garrison/HQ Sennelager, Germany
This is unhelpful, relating as it does to one period in the Regiment's history, the last. It is now out of date.
"Role Infantry Regimental HQ Perth, Scotland."
would be more appropriate.
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See Talk:Black Watch#5-Oct-2007 Merge Proposed. – Conrad T. Pino ( talk) 02:11, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone find a source for this "Ladies from Hell" thing? Preferably one that actually proves they were mentioned as such by Germans. I've been studying Scottish Regiments and neither me nor my professors can find a single German source that suggests they actually said this or any variant of it. Relevant reading: http://bshistorian.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/the-ladies-from-hell/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.36.52.93 ( talk) 13:27, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
It has indeed. This article is deeply dispiritiing. It looks like it was drafted on the back of an envelope.
Addressing some of the multiple issues in order of appearance.
"As part of the Scottish Division it was the senior regiment of the Highland Brigade." This is makes no sense, the Scottish Division replaced the Lowland and Highland Brigades in 1967.
"The regiment's name came from the dark tartan that they wore and from its role to "watch" the Highlands."
The independent companies of the Highland Watch, referred to Gaelic speakers as "am freiceadan dubh," did not comprise a Regiment. When the companies were embodied as a regiment of foot in 1739, their role of watching the Highlands ended soon after. The name however persisted. It may have derived from the colour of tartan cloth provided for some of the independent companies in order that they might achieve uniform appearance as desired by General Wade. It is not a definite fact. The Gaelic name may also have contained a perjorative play on words reflecting the Hanoverian sympathies predominant among the the officers of the companies and a degree of partiality in their policing of the Highlands.
'Black Watch' was originally just a nickname for the 42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot, but was used more and more so that, in 1881, when the 42nd amalgamated with the 73rd Regiment of Foot, the new regiment was named 'The Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)'.
The additional title 'The Black Watch' was granted to the 42nd Royal Highland Regiment in 1861
The uniform changed over time, but the nickname has been more enduring.
What does this mean? Even though it was no longer worn in action, the Black Watch wore more or less the same tartan (it evolved somewhat) until they lost their independent status in 2006.
The regimental motto was Nemo me impune lacessit (no one attacks me with impunity).
This is in fact the motto of the Order of The Thistle and was borne on the badges of other regiments besides the Black Watch.
The Royal Stewart Tartan was worn by the regimental pipers to reflect the status of 'Royal' regiment.
Perhaps. The pipers' Royal Stewart tartan was adopted almost hundred years after the regiment was granted Royal status in 1758.
A number of authors state that the regiment was given the nickname "Ladies from Hell" ("Die Damen aus der Hölle") by German troops
If there is no evidence that the Germans used this nickname, which appears to be the case, where does the German phrase come from? Isn't that contradictory?
(Scottish troops wore kilts up until 1940)
Scottish troops wear the kilt today. Do you mean 'in action'?
"During the state funeral of John F. Kennedy in November 1963, nine bagpipers from the regiment were invited to travel to the United States and participate in the funeral procession.." This could be better expressed. In fact, the Pipes and Drums were still on tour in the US having played at the White House two weeks previously.
To give three lines to the Second World War and a whole paragraph to the Operation Telic deployments to Iraq is disproportionate.
SIDE STRAP
Role Armoured Infantry Size One battalion Garrison/HQ Sennelager, Germany
This is unhelpful, relating as it does to one period in the Regiment's history, the last. It is now out of date.
"Role Infantry Regimental HQ Perth, Scotland."
would be more appropriate.
JF42 ( talk) 20:20, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
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