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help)rʨanaɢ ( talk) 19:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Why is there no mention that locals to the area know the sea is a lot more hospitable than the Aegean (warmer in summer, etc).
Also in recent years the amount of bacterial infections by swimmers has increased due to the sea being used by so many industrial shipping routes. So it has become more inhospitable in a way. 31.151.113.102 ( talk) 22:14, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
According to This book, the residence time for water in the Black sea ranges from about 4.8 to 625 years, depending on depth. I thought I read about that here once before. I like to saw logs! ( talk) 08:42, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
The Black sea is also connected to the Indian Ocean via the Suez canal and the red sea. It is more closer that way. 152.14.125.72 ( talk) 01:49, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Are you sure about this, or you're just testing to see who's going to protest about you being intoxicated when you wrote all this nonsense!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.135.94.91 ( talk) 17:04, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
I have found a new theory about the Black sea name. See Svetovid, the appearance section. Maybe is it worth mentioning on this page as well? Valugi ( talk) 21:02, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
In this article on Black Sea, countries around the Sea are mentioned alphabetically. It would be more useful if they were mentioned geographically in clockwise or anti-clockwise sequence.
As this is Geographical article, political correctness should not be factor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.211.8.16 ( talk) 16:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
This paragraph:
is rather lost. It needs some introduction about the conditions that lead up to this consequence. Is it because of the underlying rock? Dissolved gases in lower layers of the water? Something else? Without this it's just a random observation about a very rare event and there's nothing to indicate that it's a peculiarity of the Black Sea and wouldn't happen if an asteroid fell into some other body of water.
Pstemari ( talk) 16:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Currently 44°N 35°E is given as coordinates, while the geographic centre is located at 43° 17′ 49″ N, 34° 1′ 46″ E; or 43.296944, 34.029444 in decimal degrees. I suggest to adjust this or at least mention it. Link : https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?language=en&pagename=%D0%A7%D1%91%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5¶ms=43_17_49_N_34_1_46_E_scale:5000000_type:waterbody
The map inserted on the top right side of the main page is mistakenly displaying the country officially known as F.Y.R.O.M. (Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia) as "Macedonia". However, this name is not officially accepted, because it is seriously disputed by the neighboring Republic of Greece on the basis of Historical, Cultural and Geo-Political reasons. Until this dispute is settled the proper name should be used. All international organizations (United Nations Organization, North Atlantic Treaty Organization, European Union, etc.) have adopted the acronym F.Y.R.O.M. for official use and certainly NOT just plain "Macedonia". The Greek Republic is very serious about that and wikipedia should abide with international law or risk finding itself at the wrong end of the judicial stick. Please remove this map and replace it with one that shows the proper name of this country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.135.94.91 ( talk) 17:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
These few days the article is under anonymous user attack, it's clear that someone tries to make the same willful change from different IPs. I think the article needs protection from IPs.-- g. balaxaZe ★ 21:15, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
In the the name section, the four seas named after four colors are discussed. I can't seem to confirm it on the net, but I distinctly remember the four colors were historically associated with the four cardinal directions. Red was historically associated with the South, yellow for East, white for West, and Black for the North. So the White sea is the Mediterranean Sea, The Yellow Sea is the East China Sea, and the Red and Black Seas are still called the Red and Black Seas. Can anyone out there help confirm or deny this?
Pb8bije6a7b6a3w ( talk) 18:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
According to UN and EU, Crimea is not a disputed territory, but a Ukrainian territory annexed by Russia. This act of Russia caused sanctions against Russia. Claiming that Crimea, or its parts, is disputed is wrong. It's not better than supporting ISIS claims, whatever they were.
Vlad Patryshev ( talk) 01:22, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Stumbled upon this; goes against every standard and guideline. Single sentence paragraphs? IWI ( chat) 21:57, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Is there a more zoomed-out copyright-free map we could use as the first map? Something that shows more of the surrounding areas. I am from the other side of the world, and from that map i can't actually tell which sea this is about. Obviously in my case i'll scroll down, click a few links, try google maps etc. I'm just saying that isn't a very informative as a first image for someone unfamiliar with the region. Irtapil ( talk) 13:49, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
fixed it myself, i found something suitable in commons and added it to the box. Irtapil ( talk) 15:12, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
why when the only place that puts the units of time so terribly out of order is on the other side of the world? (not the same other side as me, i'm Southern hemisphere.) Irtapil ( talk) 15:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Greetings,
Since the previous article section Black Sea#Holiday resorts and spas being more apt at sister project is shifted @ wikivoyage and the section is to be upgraded to Black Sea#Coastal and port cities on Black Sea coast and trade (If some one changes section heading further pl. do update here too).
At Ref desk discussion some users expressed concern over depiction of political status of Crimean cities.
As of now I have mentioned Russia* denotes contemporary disputed territories claimed by Ukraine but personally I do not have preferences which way to be depicted; rather after studying history of Black sea female slavery Where in one neighboring region Crimean Khanate looted women of neighboring region Circassia and sold them in distant Ottoman empire; in course of time one more neighboring region emerges as a big player expels and deports inhabitants of both Crimea and Circassia with humanitarian crisis; there after in 21 century too big player Russia and small big neighbor Ukraine fight for territories. What any uninvolved Wikipedians supposed to have opinion beyond being neutral? Please don't take my reason of neutrality negatively, Why I explain some how I find this point discussion encyclopedicaly less important so those who can avoid this political discussion please help spend time for researching trade and slave history of this region or even tourism while those who are interested thrash out this subject.
Btw I do not want to close this discussion too early since it is good point of attraction and there after I can request people joining the discussion to join researching slave history of Black sea region and update Wikipedia further for the same. Thanks for joining the discussion. Bookku ( talk) 13:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Dear User:Pipsally greetings,
a) You seem to have some issue with dif 1010177656 of User:John L. Booth. Edit of User:John L. Booth just adds additional information which had been already requested on article talk page, since topic is already on talk page and your editing is contrary to Wikipedia spirit then is it not your moral responsibility to come at the article talk page first?
b)Are you sure your edit war with the addition making user elsewhere is not just spilling over here ? and you really don't have a point here ?
I am just pointing out, not expecting any answer from you on above points, I don't want to stretch this point too much further, since usually I am against personalizing the issues.
Let me understand what is your content issue with dif 1010177656 ?
1) Can you help understand you do not have issue with a table that seeks information but you seem to have issue with addition of information, can we understand your point better? 2) You do have issue with dif 1010177656 does not have references ? 3) Or do you have issue with mentioning of old historical names of the cities ? If so why do you have issue with mentioning of old names?
Thanks Bookku ( talk) 08:20, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Greetings,
A major article overhaul being proposed, by clubbing, splitting, trimming of some sections. I am quite okay if some one else works on overhaul and restructuring, That would save my time, If no one comes ahead I will do it my self. Suggestions too are most welcome.
Bookku ( talk) 10:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Both the section '#Drainage basin' here and '#Basin countries' at Black Sea drainage basin say there are 25 countries in the basin and then they list only 24. What is the 25-th country, missing in the lists? -- CiaPan ( talk) 18:56, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
The Black Sea is connected to the ocean via the Mediterranean. The Caspian Sea is not connected to the ocean at all.
The fact that the Black Sea is connected to the ocean does not depend on whether Europe and Asia are considered a single continent. We have not seen a source claiming otherwise.
Britannica does refer to the Black Sea as "inland", as per source recently added by @ Pipsally:. Britannica also claims that the Caspian Sea is "world's the largest inland body of water" [1]. So Britannica either contradicts itself, or their usage of "inland" in the Black Sea article is colloquial, not strictly meaning "disconnected from the ocean". Tropcho ( talk) 08:31, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
It is unfortunate that this article lacks a description of Black Sea salinity other that vague qualitative information and a single concentration given i poorly defined PSU. (Practical salinity unit but sometimes percent, sometimes per mille, sometimes defined for volume sometimes for weight an possibly following some simplified procedure to convert other quantities (e.g. conductivity or density) into salinity. 150.227.15.253 ( talk) 15:57, 26 November 2021 (UTC) Sorry I now found a bit more information on the salinity of the Black Sea, but more would certainly be welcome. The PSU was typically based on halide ion titration using silvernitrate. 150.227.15.253 ( talk) 16:03, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Greetings,
Hi, I am User:Bookku, my expectations to get expanded Black sea related articles failed miserably. I am expecting and requesting at least some help in expanding the article Draft:List of erstwhile slave trading townships with regions surrounding Black sea. In next steps I wish to have a proper map showing erstwhile slave trading townships across black sea.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 09:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
it might be close, but it is not on the coast. Maybe change it to "Important cities along ("along"? or "on"?) or near the coast" -- 142.163.194.224 ( talk) 23:33, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
I think the number should say 2588 meters = 8491 feet.
Sources: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/256485436_Evaluation_of_the_Circulation_Patterns_in_the_Black_Sea_Using_Remotely_Sensed_and_in_Situ_Measurements also the online map at https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/maps/bathymetry/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.140.150.29 ( talk) 17:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 11 January 2023 and 21 April 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): KumruKocaman ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Dclark57.
— Assignment last updated by MethanoJen ( talk) 20:01, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
The order of these was changed a few weeks ago, without stating a reason. I don't know the rationale for either order; perhaps by population? If it were up to me I'd make it clockwise from the Bosporus. — Tamfang ( talk) 01:10, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
hm, someone objected to the same arrangement for the states: clock doesn't start at six o'clock, or does it? List by letter. Strange way to put it. I see the list as part of the description of the Black Sea itself, but I suppose it's possible that some readers come here to see whether their favorite state has a Black Sea coast. —Tamfang ( talk) 03:06, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
The redirect Schwarzes Meer has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 19 § Schwarzes Meer until a consensus is reached. ArcticSeeress ( talk) 08:04, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
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help)rʨanaɢ ( talk) 19:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Why is there no mention that locals to the area know the sea is a lot more hospitable than the Aegean (warmer in summer, etc).
Also in recent years the amount of bacterial infections by swimmers has increased due to the sea being used by so many industrial shipping routes. So it has become more inhospitable in a way. 31.151.113.102 ( talk) 22:14, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
According to This book, the residence time for water in the Black sea ranges from about 4.8 to 625 years, depending on depth. I thought I read about that here once before. I like to saw logs! ( talk) 08:42, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
The Black sea is also connected to the Indian Ocean via the Suez canal and the red sea. It is more closer that way. 152.14.125.72 ( talk) 01:49, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Are you sure about this, or you're just testing to see who's going to protest about you being intoxicated when you wrote all this nonsense!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.135.94.91 ( talk) 17:04, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
I have found a new theory about the Black sea name. See Svetovid, the appearance section. Maybe is it worth mentioning on this page as well? Valugi ( talk) 21:02, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
In this article on Black Sea, countries around the Sea are mentioned alphabetically. It would be more useful if they were mentioned geographically in clockwise or anti-clockwise sequence.
As this is Geographical article, political correctness should not be factor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.211.8.16 ( talk) 16:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
This paragraph:
is rather lost. It needs some introduction about the conditions that lead up to this consequence. Is it because of the underlying rock? Dissolved gases in lower layers of the water? Something else? Without this it's just a random observation about a very rare event and there's nothing to indicate that it's a peculiarity of the Black Sea and wouldn't happen if an asteroid fell into some other body of water.
Pstemari ( talk) 16:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Currently 44°N 35°E is given as coordinates, while the geographic centre is located at 43° 17′ 49″ N, 34° 1′ 46″ E; or 43.296944, 34.029444 in decimal degrees. I suggest to adjust this or at least mention it. Link : https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?language=en&pagename=%D0%A7%D1%91%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5¶ms=43_17_49_N_34_1_46_E_scale:5000000_type:waterbody
The map inserted on the top right side of the main page is mistakenly displaying the country officially known as F.Y.R.O.M. (Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia) as "Macedonia". However, this name is not officially accepted, because it is seriously disputed by the neighboring Republic of Greece on the basis of Historical, Cultural and Geo-Political reasons. Until this dispute is settled the proper name should be used. All international organizations (United Nations Organization, North Atlantic Treaty Organization, European Union, etc.) have adopted the acronym F.Y.R.O.M. for official use and certainly NOT just plain "Macedonia". The Greek Republic is very serious about that and wikipedia should abide with international law or risk finding itself at the wrong end of the judicial stick. Please remove this map and replace it with one that shows the proper name of this country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.135.94.91 ( talk) 17:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
These few days the article is under anonymous user attack, it's clear that someone tries to make the same willful change from different IPs. I think the article needs protection from IPs.-- g. balaxaZe ★ 21:15, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
In the the name section, the four seas named after four colors are discussed. I can't seem to confirm it on the net, but I distinctly remember the four colors were historically associated with the four cardinal directions. Red was historically associated with the South, yellow for East, white for West, and Black for the North. So the White sea is the Mediterranean Sea, The Yellow Sea is the East China Sea, and the Red and Black Seas are still called the Red and Black Seas. Can anyone out there help confirm or deny this?
Pb8bije6a7b6a3w ( talk) 18:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
According to UN and EU, Crimea is not a disputed territory, but a Ukrainian territory annexed by Russia. This act of Russia caused sanctions against Russia. Claiming that Crimea, or its parts, is disputed is wrong. It's not better than supporting ISIS claims, whatever they were.
Vlad Patryshev ( talk) 01:22, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Stumbled upon this; goes against every standard and guideline. Single sentence paragraphs? IWI ( chat) 21:57, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Is there a more zoomed-out copyright-free map we could use as the first map? Something that shows more of the surrounding areas. I am from the other side of the world, and from that map i can't actually tell which sea this is about. Obviously in my case i'll scroll down, click a few links, try google maps etc. I'm just saying that isn't a very informative as a first image for someone unfamiliar with the region. Irtapil ( talk) 13:49, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
fixed it myself, i found something suitable in commons and added it to the box. Irtapil ( talk) 15:12, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
why when the only place that puts the units of time so terribly out of order is on the other side of the world? (not the same other side as me, i'm Southern hemisphere.) Irtapil ( talk) 15:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Greetings,
Since the previous article section Black Sea#Holiday resorts and spas being more apt at sister project is shifted @ wikivoyage and the section is to be upgraded to Black Sea#Coastal and port cities on Black Sea coast and trade (If some one changes section heading further pl. do update here too).
At Ref desk discussion some users expressed concern over depiction of political status of Crimean cities.
As of now I have mentioned Russia* denotes contemporary disputed territories claimed by Ukraine but personally I do not have preferences which way to be depicted; rather after studying history of Black sea female slavery Where in one neighboring region Crimean Khanate looted women of neighboring region Circassia and sold them in distant Ottoman empire; in course of time one more neighboring region emerges as a big player expels and deports inhabitants of both Crimea and Circassia with humanitarian crisis; there after in 21 century too big player Russia and small big neighbor Ukraine fight for territories. What any uninvolved Wikipedians supposed to have opinion beyond being neutral? Please don't take my reason of neutrality negatively, Why I explain some how I find this point discussion encyclopedicaly less important so those who can avoid this political discussion please help spend time for researching trade and slave history of this region or even tourism while those who are interested thrash out this subject.
Btw I do not want to close this discussion too early since it is good point of attraction and there after I can request people joining the discussion to join researching slave history of Black sea region and update Wikipedia further for the same. Thanks for joining the discussion. Bookku ( talk) 13:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Dear User:Pipsally greetings,
a) You seem to have some issue with dif 1010177656 of User:John L. Booth. Edit of User:John L. Booth just adds additional information which had been already requested on article talk page, since topic is already on talk page and your editing is contrary to Wikipedia spirit then is it not your moral responsibility to come at the article talk page first?
b)Are you sure your edit war with the addition making user elsewhere is not just spilling over here ? and you really don't have a point here ?
I am just pointing out, not expecting any answer from you on above points, I don't want to stretch this point too much further, since usually I am against personalizing the issues.
Let me understand what is your content issue with dif 1010177656 ?
1) Can you help understand you do not have issue with a table that seeks information but you seem to have issue with addition of information, can we understand your point better? 2) You do have issue with dif 1010177656 does not have references ? 3) Or do you have issue with mentioning of old historical names of the cities ? If so why do you have issue with mentioning of old names?
Thanks Bookku ( talk) 08:20, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Greetings,
A major article overhaul being proposed, by clubbing, splitting, trimming of some sections. I am quite okay if some one else works on overhaul and restructuring, That would save my time, If no one comes ahead I will do it my self. Suggestions too are most welcome.
Bookku ( talk) 10:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
Both the section '#Drainage basin' here and '#Basin countries' at Black Sea drainage basin say there are 25 countries in the basin and then they list only 24. What is the 25-th country, missing in the lists? -- CiaPan ( talk) 18:56, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
The Black Sea is connected to the ocean via the Mediterranean. The Caspian Sea is not connected to the ocean at all.
The fact that the Black Sea is connected to the ocean does not depend on whether Europe and Asia are considered a single continent. We have not seen a source claiming otherwise.
Britannica does refer to the Black Sea as "inland", as per source recently added by @ Pipsally:. Britannica also claims that the Caspian Sea is "world's the largest inland body of water" [1]. So Britannica either contradicts itself, or their usage of "inland" in the Black Sea article is colloquial, not strictly meaning "disconnected from the ocean". Tropcho ( talk) 08:31, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
It is unfortunate that this article lacks a description of Black Sea salinity other that vague qualitative information and a single concentration given i poorly defined PSU. (Practical salinity unit but sometimes percent, sometimes per mille, sometimes defined for volume sometimes for weight an possibly following some simplified procedure to convert other quantities (e.g. conductivity or density) into salinity. 150.227.15.253 ( talk) 15:57, 26 November 2021 (UTC) Sorry I now found a bit more information on the salinity of the Black Sea, but more would certainly be welcome. The PSU was typically based on halide ion titration using silvernitrate. 150.227.15.253 ( talk) 16:03, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Greetings,
Hi, I am User:Bookku, my expectations to get expanded Black sea related articles failed miserably. I am expecting and requesting at least some help in expanding the article Draft:List of erstwhile slave trading townships with regions surrounding Black sea. In next steps I wish to have a proper map showing erstwhile slave trading townships across black sea.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' ( talk) 09:51, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
it might be close, but it is not on the coast. Maybe change it to "Important cities along ("along"? or "on"?) or near the coast" -- 142.163.194.224 ( talk) 23:33, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
I think the number should say 2588 meters = 8491 feet.
Sources: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/256485436_Evaluation_of_the_Circulation_Patterns_in_the_Black_Sea_Using_Remotely_Sensed_and_in_Situ_Measurements also the online map at https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/maps/bathymetry/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.140.150.29 ( talk) 17:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 11 January 2023 and 21 April 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): KumruKocaman ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Dclark57.
— Assignment last updated by MethanoJen ( talk) 20:01, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
The order of these was changed a few weeks ago, without stating a reason. I don't know the rationale for either order; perhaps by population? If it were up to me I'd make it clockwise from the Bosporus. — Tamfang ( talk) 01:10, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
hm, someone objected to the same arrangement for the states: clock doesn't start at six o'clock, or does it? List by letter. Strange way to put it. I see the list as part of the description of the Black Sea itself, but I suppose it's possible that some readers come here to see whether their favorite state has a Black Sea coast. —Tamfang ( talk) 03:06, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
The redirect Schwarzes Meer has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 19 § Schwarzes Meer until a consensus is reached. ArcticSeeress ( talk) 08:04, 19 September 2023 (UTC)