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Radical implies that the ideas promoted were crazy and out there. Tell me, are civil rights, free speech, law abiding police officers, and constitutional rights considered radical ideas? What is so radical about standing up for justice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happyfreesoul ( talk • contribs) 23:43, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
The usage of the term radical was used in connection to the Black Panther Party to showcase that the demands of the party were meant to provide alterations to the social structure that was in place during the time. It was revolutionary because demands like equal education for all, free school lunches, and community security for black communities were changing the value of the systems which encouraged social equality. The term radical was assigned to this movement because it seemed unreal that these demands would need to take place for human beings, demands like this should be items that need to be provided for to anyone and not fought for just because someone's skin tone was darker.
Azavalaa (
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15:24, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
I would also say that the Panther Party was perceived as radical because of the boom in volume it received post Martin Luther King Jr's assassination and the perceived notion of the party by America due to the J. Edgar Hoover & the Nixon Administration. According to Bobby Seale, Co-founder of the Black Panther Party, the BPP only had around 400 active members when MLK was assassinated in April of 1968; however, due to the vast amounts of riots and outrage that ensured after this event, the BPP gained up to 4,000 members in the 7 months following this. Now dealing with the different connotation of radical, it has been proven through the leaked documents of Watergate that the Nixon administration had planned to disgrace and disenfranchise the BPP. As the article states, Hoover claimed the BPP to be the "greatest threat to the internal security of the nation" and likened the party to that of the KKK in order to distort the public perception of the party, for they were providing services for the public which the government was not at the time (such as the Free Breakfast Program & Community Health Clinics). The government labeled the party as radical, due to the fact that they were a legitimate political party utilizing politics to promote and truly bring about black power.
71.189.66.36 (
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https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/new-black-panther-party
The New Black Panther Party is a virulently racist and anti-Semitic organization whose leaders have encouraged violence against whites, Jews and law enforcement officers.
I guess the SLPC is only neutral and encyclopedic when it comes to persecuting right wing hate groups? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.251.239 ( talk) 03:31, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
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Is a racially motivated hate group that is allowed to operate without any penalty for spewing hatred.
Jrix83 ( talk) 16:30, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
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Xenophrenic, this is primarily in response to our
WP:NPOV phrasing disagreement):
There are several issues with the source provided (14) for the first sentence of the fourth paragraph in the lede section. The first concerns whether it is, in fact, a reliable source. The author is described by the publication as an "independent journalist" and doctoral student. Should this be viewed as an academic writing, the status as a student does not pass the muster on reliability. This is all the more compounded by the fact that references and citations, even informal ones, are wholly absent from the writing. Should this be viewed as a journalistic piece, there is scant evidence of editorial review before publication, making it essentially tantamount to self-publication (an issue explained by
WP:VERIFY#Self-published sources). Therefore, in no way can the views expressed be verified as anything more than the author's opinion. The next issue concerns the publication itself.
CounterPunch, as described on its wikipedia page and elsewhere on the web, is an ideologically oriented publication, self-described as "muckraking with a radical attitude." Other characterizations, all of which are cited in its wikipedia article, include "extreme," "left-wing," "radical," and "anti-Zionist." There are too many issues to name for including and portraying an intentionally partisan viewpoint as neutral tone, though some can be found here:
WP:NEUTRALSOURCE,
WP:NPOV#Bias in sources. Therefore, the terminology used is simply unacceptable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. I strongly urge reverting to my previously reverted edit, if not excising the part in question altogether.
Ergo Sum
19:26, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm not an expert, but I thought the Black Panthers had an earlier start in the South in support of the right to vote, but got threatened or chased out at gunpoint by the Ku Klux Klan. Maybe they were not under the BPP's name or specific organizational structure, but I understood some of the same people moved from the South to California because of this. I don't have sources and I don't remember where I read it, unless perhaps it was in Elaine Brown's A Taste of Power, but that may not be where. Nick Levinson ( talk) 18:29, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
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The article gives brief mention of drug dealing and no mention of heroin usage and dealing amongst members. It also does not discuss later allegations that the heroin was funneled to the BPs as part of counterintelpro. Some believe this all destroyed the BPs. -- Wlmg ( talk) 21:54, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
What is the proof that the Black Panthers were anti-white? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.49.57.154 ( talk) 00:19, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
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Can somebody add the Start date and age template from the current {Start date|1966} to {start date and age|1966} to correspond to the Black Panther Party's official founding date?
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The Black Panthers have too often been wrongly identified as a Black Nationalist organization. This it usually due to lazy reporting, and by people are really unfamiliar with the literature and political thought/writing of the Party leadership. Also, in recent years, Black nationalist have dominated to retelling of the Panther story-line at conferences and events.
The Party leadership articulated in many formats, a flat repudiation of nationalism and openly criticized what they termed, "pork-chop" nationalism represented by people like Karenga and organizations like the Republic of New Afrika.
However for some it is easier to label and classify the Party within common political boundaries rather than address the true depth of their political thought and what was meant by the concept of revolutionary inter-communalism which Huey developed as he analyzed the globalization of capital and it's ability to reach beyond and make national borders irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kshahyd ( talk • contribs) 20:12, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Black Panther Party's ideology can be broken down into four phases: black nationalism, revolutionary socialism, internationalism, and Intercommunalism.Yet you removed "black nationalism" from the lead. Any additions or changes we make to Wikipedia articles must be supported by citations to reliable sources. The source you provided contradicts the edit you made.
This does not seem significant enough for a page of its own, a section on the main page should suffice. Jerod Lycett ( talk) 04:01, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
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Radical implies that the ideas promoted were crazy and out there. Tell me, are civil rights, free speech, law abiding police officers, and constitutional rights considered radical ideas? What is so radical about standing up for justice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happyfreesoul ( talk • contribs) 23:43, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
The usage of the term radical was used in connection to the Black Panther Party to showcase that the demands of the party were meant to provide alterations to the social structure that was in place during the time. It was revolutionary because demands like equal education for all, free school lunches, and community security for black communities were changing the value of the systems which encouraged social equality. The term radical was assigned to this movement because it seemed unreal that these demands would need to take place for human beings, demands like this should be items that need to be provided for to anyone and not fought for just because someone's skin tone was darker.
Azavalaa (
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15:24, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
I would also say that the Panther Party was perceived as radical because of the boom in volume it received post Martin Luther King Jr's assassination and the perceived notion of the party by America due to the J. Edgar Hoover & the Nixon Administration. According to Bobby Seale, Co-founder of the Black Panther Party, the BPP only had around 400 active members when MLK was assassinated in April of 1968; however, due to the vast amounts of riots and outrage that ensured after this event, the BPP gained up to 4,000 members in the 7 months following this. Now dealing with the different connotation of radical, it has been proven through the leaked documents of Watergate that the Nixon administration had planned to disgrace and disenfranchise the BPP. As the article states, Hoover claimed the BPP to be the "greatest threat to the internal security of the nation" and likened the party to that of the KKK in order to distort the public perception of the party, for they were providing services for the public which the government was not at the time (such as the Free Breakfast Program & Community Health Clinics). The government labeled the party as radical, due to the fact that they were a legitimate political party utilizing politics to promote and truly bring about black power.
71.189.66.36 (
talk)August —Preceding
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08:49, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/new-black-panther-party
The New Black Panther Party is a virulently racist and anti-Semitic organization whose leaders have encouraged violence against whites, Jews and law enforcement officers.
I guess the SLPC is only neutral and encyclopedic when it comes to persecuting right wing hate groups? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.251.239 ( talk) 03:31, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
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Is a racially motivated hate group that is allowed to operate without any penalty for spewing hatred.
Jrix83 ( talk) 16:30, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
(@
Xenophrenic, this is primarily in response to our
WP:NPOV phrasing disagreement):
There are several issues with the source provided (14) for the first sentence of the fourth paragraph in the lede section. The first concerns whether it is, in fact, a reliable source. The author is described by the publication as an "independent journalist" and doctoral student. Should this be viewed as an academic writing, the status as a student does not pass the muster on reliability. This is all the more compounded by the fact that references and citations, even informal ones, are wholly absent from the writing. Should this be viewed as a journalistic piece, there is scant evidence of editorial review before publication, making it essentially tantamount to self-publication (an issue explained by
WP:VERIFY#Self-published sources). Therefore, in no way can the views expressed be verified as anything more than the author's opinion. The next issue concerns the publication itself.
CounterPunch, as described on its wikipedia page and elsewhere on the web, is an ideologically oriented publication, self-described as "muckraking with a radical attitude." Other characterizations, all of which are cited in its wikipedia article, include "extreme," "left-wing," "radical," and "anti-Zionist." There are too many issues to name for including and portraying an intentionally partisan viewpoint as neutral tone, though some can be found here:
WP:NEUTRALSOURCE,
WP:NPOV#Bias in sources. Therefore, the terminology used is simply unacceptable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. I strongly urge reverting to my previously reverted edit, if not excising the part in question altogether.
Ergo Sum
19:26, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm not an expert, but I thought the Black Panthers had an earlier start in the South in support of the right to vote, but got threatened or chased out at gunpoint by the Ku Klux Klan. Maybe they were not under the BPP's name or specific organizational structure, but I understood some of the same people moved from the South to California because of this. I don't have sources and I don't remember where I read it, unless perhaps it was in Elaine Brown's A Taste of Power, but that may not be where. Nick Levinson ( talk) 18:29, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
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The article gives brief mention of drug dealing and no mention of heroin usage and dealing amongst members. It also does not discuss later allegations that the heroin was funneled to the BPs as part of counterintelpro. Some believe this all destroyed the BPs. -- Wlmg ( talk) 21:54, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
What is the proof that the Black Panthers were anti-white? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.49.57.154 ( talk) 00:19, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
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Can somebody add the Start date and age template from the current {Start date|1966} to {start date and age|1966} to correspond to the Black Panther Party's official founding date?
108.45.29.72 ( talk) 01:57, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
The Black Panthers have too often been wrongly identified as a Black Nationalist organization. This it usually due to lazy reporting, and by people are really unfamiliar with the literature and political thought/writing of the Party leadership. Also, in recent years, Black nationalist have dominated to retelling of the Panther story-line at conferences and events.
The Party leadership articulated in many formats, a flat repudiation of nationalism and openly criticized what they termed, "pork-chop" nationalism represented by people like Karenga and organizations like the Republic of New Afrika.
However for some it is easier to label and classify the Party within common political boundaries rather than address the true depth of their political thought and what was meant by the concept of revolutionary inter-communalism which Huey developed as he analyzed the globalization of capital and it's ability to reach beyond and make national borders irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kshahyd ( talk • contribs) 20:12, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Black Panther Party's ideology can be broken down into four phases: black nationalism, revolutionary socialism, internationalism, and Intercommunalism.Yet you removed "black nationalism" from the lead. Any additions or changes we make to Wikipedia articles must be supported by citations to reliable sources. The source you provided contradicts the edit you made.
This does not seem significant enough for a page of its own, a section on the main page should suffice. Jerod Lycett ( talk) 04:01, 30 September 2016 (UTC)