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Acting head of Military-scientific committee of armored weapons of Ministry of Defence Vladimir Vojtov has declared that the newest tank under the name "Black eagle" - about which Russian media has written before - does not exist.
As he said, images of a black eagle are some 20-year-old photos, and "only a mockup model of a fighting vehicle of the future for which someone dreams", quotes V.Vojtov's words "Moscow Echo ". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.171.199.52 ( talk) 17:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
You mean something never built even as a single working sample, can still be somehow considered "prototype" ? YF-23 is a prototype, Su-47 can be considered prototype, both are operational working models. I don't understand how mockup model can be considered prototype.
Check it here:
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090913/156108570.html
I have pictures of it will upload them shortly taken in late 90's at Ural Arms Fair on the move — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:EB80:8D00:951F:4A97:F9F4:B26C ( talk) 00:16, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
If no one can replace the weasel words "is said to be" with a respectable source, this speculative statement should be removed. — Michael Z. 2005-10-21 20:52 Z
What happened to the picture of the tank? There is no reason given in the history section of this page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Superknijn ( talk • contribs) .
Why are we bothering with this article? An unfinished project, with no complete prototypes from a bankrupt company which the Russian army has already rejected and NO custumers. Fancy claims from Russian sources ( yet again ) do not make this tank any more than a dead project. 145.253.108.22 17:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Is there a single verifiable fact in this paragraph? "Is said to be" is a meaningless weasel phrase. Every modern MBT is "one of the most heavily protected tanks in the world". The discussion of binary explosives is not particularly relevant to this tank. We don't even know what its gun is, so how can we know how much armour it can pierce. Is there a reference for the Abrams' front armour? What model is the 152mm gun, which "is not being outfitted on this model"? — Michael Z. 2006-01-14 05:44 Z
Almost everything written about this tank is just conjecture. We should make some kind of warning in the first paragraph saying that no official information about the tank has been released by anyone involved in making it. All the talk about the 152mm gun and the armor thickness are all just rumors that have been floating around the internet for almost 10 years now. DarthJesus 05:12, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
"However, reactive armour does not protect against kinetic penetrators, and many shaped charge weapons are binary explosives; two charges one after another to defeat reactive armour." The Russians have Kontakt-5 which protects against KE penetrators. Dudtz 1/30/06 5:46 PM ESTWhat about the new KE penetrators designed to penatrate the Kontakt-5.( Uber555 14:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)) Yea, but you still have the standard armour underneath,and the tank crews might add on,more armour. Dudtz 2/22/06 6:21 PM EST So why is that statement still there?( Uber555 23:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC))
They could put the ERA over the additional armour. Dudtz 3/2/07 9:94 PM ET
The M1A1 does not have a 125 it is armed with a 120mm main gun(and I should freaking know I was a loader in a M1!)
https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1506006447116718085 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.121.160.252 ( talk) 21:38, 21 March 2022 (UTC) https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/8umcgk/object_640_black_eagle_a_soviet_experimental_tank/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.121.160.252 ( talk) 21:41, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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Acting head of Military-scientific committee of armored weapons of Ministry of Defence Vladimir Vojtov has declared that the newest tank under the name "Black eagle" - about which Russian media has written before - does not exist.
As he said, images of a black eagle are some 20-year-old photos, and "only a mockup model of a fighting vehicle of the future for which someone dreams", quotes V.Vojtov's words "Moscow Echo ". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.171.199.52 ( talk) 17:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
You mean something never built even as a single working sample, can still be somehow considered "prototype" ? YF-23 is a prototype, Su-47 can be considered prototype, both are operational working models. I don't understand how mockup model can be considered prototype.
Check it here:
http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090913/156108570.html
I have pictures of it will upload them shortly taken in late 90's at Ural Arms Fair on the move — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:EB80:8D00:951F:4A97:F9F4:B26C ( talk) 00:16, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
If no one can replace the weasel words "is said to be" with a respectable source, this speculative statement should be removed. — Michael Z. 2005-10-21 20:52 Z
What happened to the picture of the tank? There is no reason given in the history section of this page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Superknijn ( talk • contribs) .
Why are we bothering with this article? An unfinished project, with no complete prototypes from a bankrupt company which the Russian army has already rejected and NO custumers. Fancy claims from Russian sources ( yet again ) do not make this tank any more than a dead project. 145.253.108.22 17:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Is there a single verifiable fact in this paragraph? "Is said to be" is a meaningless weasel phrase. Every modern MBT is "one of the most heavily protected tanks in the world". The discussion of binary explosives is not particularly relevant to this tank. We don't even know what its gun is, so how can we know how much armour it can pierce. Is there a reference for the Abrams' front armour? What model is the 152mm gun, which "is not being outfitted on this model"? — Michael Z. 2006-01-14 05:44 Z
Almost everything written about this tank is just conjecture. We should make some kind of warning in the first paragraph saying that no official information about the tank has been released by anyone involved in making it. All the talk about the 152mm gun and the armor thickness are all just rumors that have been floating around the internet for almost 10 years now. DarthJesus 05:12, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
"However, reactive armour does not protect against kinetic penetrators, and many shaped charge weapons are binary explosives; two charges one after another to defeat reactive armour." The Russians have Kontakt-5 which protects against KE penetrators. Dudtz 1/30/06 5:46 PM ESTWhat about the new KE penetrators designed to penatrate the Kontakt-5.( Uber555 14:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)) Yea, but you still have the standard armour underneath,and the tank crews might add on,more armour. Dudtz 2/22/06 6:21 PM EST So why is that statement still there?( Uber555 23:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC))
They could put the ERA over the additional armour. Dudtz 3/2/07 9:94 PM ET
The M1A1 does not have a 125 it is armed with a 120mm main gun(and I should freaking know I was a loader in a M1!)
https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/status/1506006447116718085 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.121.160.252 ( talk) 21:38, 21 March 2022 (UTC) https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/8umcgk/object_640_black_eagle_a_soviet_experimental_tank/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.121.160.252 ( talk) 21:41, 21 March 2022 (UTC)