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DO NOT POST THE UNRELEASED COVER SONGS ON HERE. THE BAND THEMSELVES HAVE REQUESTED THIS. I am a moderator at dreamtheaterforums.org, a site admined by someone who has a direct line to Mike Portnoy. This information should not be in public yet. Unfortunately, it is on many third party websites. But there are many people who want to be surprised at this information. Please only list the songs as they are released. Splent ( talk) 22:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
The third party source no longer includes the cited information, so I'm taking this down. PerpetualChange —Preceding undated comment added 21:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC).
I have changed the tracklisting to a another format (using the Train of Thought page as reference).
As "The Shattered Fortress" is said to have Steps X-XII in the
AA Suite, I've put those up but left the section names blank.
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All right, that's cool. Thanks. B T C 20:43, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Change the name to 12 Steps Suite. Don't have the source, but Portnoy said on the Eddie Trunks show that it should be referred to as that. Does anyone have a source? Perpetualchange ( talk) 18:36, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Is this site a reliable source?
It is what is currently being sourced for the song lengths. However, the song lengths aren't really being assigned to a song, so is this a keeper or no, since it has the song lengths of this album?
Backtable Speak to Me about what I have done 04:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
(undent) I agree with what Backtable has said so far. I suppose at this point it seems that no matter what we try the lengths will find a way onto the article. Technically there still isn't a reliable source (no picture is reliable thanks to Photoshop), but I would rather have the lenghs from the picture than the approximate ones that are in there now. black ngold29 03:11, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
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A video will be shot in March for the album's first single...
This sentence above taken from the article should be in past tense. RockyMM ( talk) 07:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
The first two songs on the album were leaked today or yesterday, on the Mike Portnoy forum there's a thread where an admin says that a radio station broadcasted them and then put the podcasts on the web. I dont know if that's a reputable source and if it is, I don't know if the album should get a leak section. I know other albums like Octavarium got a pre-release leak section, was wondering if this album should get one. Just checkin. Austin Joseph Billings 01:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragonfly298 ( talk • contribs)
It's been stated by both Mike Portnoy(in the Eddie Trunk interview)and Jordan Rudess(in the DT Norway interview) that the song "The Best of Times" was written about Mike Portnoy's father. There should be a page for this song that states this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMuffinMan92 ( talk • contribs) 17:25, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Richard Wilson, author of their official book 'Lifting Shadows off a Dream'. Surely that's a legit source. Worth putting it in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.143.146 ( talk) 15:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
According to Roadrunner, there's going to be a very limited run of the album with a special packaging, the complete 3 CD special edition, a DVD which allows fans to remix the album, a mouse mat, a ticket (100 of which will win a meet and greet with the band), a lithograph of the album art, and the vinyl edition.
http://roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/release/Black+Clouds+%26+Silver+Linings
If someone could update the page with this in the correct format, that would be great. 142.177.58.68 ( talk) 22:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1990625&skuId=17832375&type=product Other than that I've haven't heard anythign about this version of the CD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.173.29.89 ( talk) 21:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Here's a video of Mike Portnoy describing the deluxe set in detail. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynXwO7-sGZQ
As well, here's the pre-order page from Roadrunner. http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blackclouds/ It's definitely confirmed. 142.68.221.217 ( talk) 21:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I know that Metal Hammer's review was definitely favorable towards the album, but where on the site does it show that they gave it a score of 5/5 stars? I don't see it anywhere. - ACDCGAMER ( talk) 18:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Could we get a "Releases" type section on the article with this information:
So far we have the following- 1 CD Standard Edition, 3-CD Special Edition, 2-LP Vinyl Release, And the Deluxe Collector's Edition/Producer Edition 4-Disc/2-LP box set... a section in the article explaining these 4 versions would be nice! Thanks! MarkyMarc413 ( talk) 18:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Also, the track listing for the vinyl edition is different than the CD edition: http://www.theomegaorder.com/DREAM-THEATER-Black-Clouds-Silver-Linings-double-vinyl Can we add this in there as well? MarkyMarc413 ( talk) 20:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't want to ruin the fun, but I have seem to find the covers songs. Altough there are eight of those, it clearly are covers. I don't how to think of it, since I don't want to ruin the excitment, but I found them on CDON.se from Sweden when looking for a preorder of the album. It's scary! http://cdon.se/musik/dream_theater/black_clouds_%26_silver_linings_(3cd_deluxe_ed.)-4200623 Check under the "spårinfo". Can someone please help me verify this. This is my first post and I made this account just for this! -- Suppers Ready ( talk) 11:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
The Roadrunner website claims that the 6 cover tracks are "newly recorded". As the To Tame A Land cover was recorded for a Maiden tribute CD does that rule it out? 78.146.205.109 ( talk) 13:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Call me a bit antithetical to the Wiki norm, but isn't the Youtube leak a "source"?
Meanwhile, the leaked version of The Count of Tuscany is the 19-minute version. Now what? 64.91.218.136 ( talk) 03:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I WOULD want to know when the album has leaked (if I didn´t already know) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.115.254.137 ( talk) 17:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Before, the titles of the songs that would be on the cover disc were up. Now, they are not. What gives? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.187.76.236 ( talk) 14:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I have the album already (3CD deluxe edition). It was released on Friday in Germany. Going to see Dream Theater live on Tuesday when the album is released in the US, funny enough. Perhaps the release dates for other countries, if different, should be mentioned. Florian Blaschke ( talk) 20:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I just saw the video used as a citation, but it doesn't actually show Rudess saying that he used the iPhone (specifically Bebot) at any time on the album. Unless someone verifies that, I'm going to take it out. -- Snaxe/fow ( talk) 05:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
It debuted at #6 in Canada. http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Charts/ALBUMS.html If someone could update that section with the proper format, that would be great. 142.177.154.14 ( talk) 15:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Currently, BC&SL is #1 on Billboard's European Chart. Is that chart worth noting in the article? http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=European+Top+100+Albums 142.177.154.74 ( talk) 05:07, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I lol'd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.80.135 ( talk) 02:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Souldn't you include that the count of tuscany is dream theaters fifth longest song ( sixth if you include A Mind Beside Itself ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.64.113.225 ( talk) 22:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Is the song mere fiction or is it actually about this guy: Archduke Sigismund, Grand Duke of Tuscany (or one of his relatives)? 91.17.216.175 ( talk) 18:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
In all i can say that the song A Nightmare to Remember that the name is kinda taking it title from titanic movie A Night To Remember —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.64.113.225 ( talk) 14:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Proove it, because Dream Theater has not claimed that they are taking it from Titanic or that it influenced them. It it had, they would have said so in their documented footage. -- J miester25 ( talk) 22:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Who speaks in the last half of The Shattered Fortress? SkySilver ( talk) 16:49, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
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DO NOT POST THE UNRELEASED COVER SONGS ON HERE. THE BAND THEMSELVES HAVE REQUESTED THIS. I am a moderator at dreamtheaterforums.org, a site admined by someone who has a direct line to Mike Portnoy. This information should not be in public yet. Unfortunately, it is on many third party websites. But there are many people who want to be surprised at this information. Please only list the songs as they are released. Splent ( talk) 22:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
The third party source no longer includes the cited information, so I'm taking this down. PerpetualChange —Preceding undated comment added 21:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC).
I have changed the tracklisting to a another format (using the Train of Thought page as reference).
As "The Shattered Fortress" is said to have Steps X-XII in the
AA Suite, I've put those up but left the section names blank.
~~
N
a
N 20:27, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
All right, that's cool. Thanks. B T C 20:43, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Change the name to 12 Steps Suite. Don't have the source, but Portnoy said on the Eddie Trunks show that it should be referred to as that. Does anyone have a source? Perpetualchange ( talk) 18:36, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Is this site a reliable source?
It is what is currently being sourced for the song lengths. However, the song lengths aren't really being assigned to a song, so is this a keeper or no, since it has the song lengths of this album?
Backtable Speak to Me about what I have done 04:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
(undent) I agree with what Backtable has said so far. I suppose at this point it seems that no matter what we try the lengths will find a way onto the article. Technically there still isn't a reliable source (no picture is reliable thanks to Photoshop), but I would rather have the lenghs from the picture than the approximate ones that are in there now. black ngold29 03:11, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
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I will start by thanking
User:SoWhy for the lock of
Black Clouds & Silver Linings it was much needed, unfortunately it is now locked with the track lengths cited to a
personal blog which is not a
WP:RS, nor does it actually list which songs are which lengths, as it simply gives a list of numbers. The lengths have been added/removed for a few days now, but it was only recently somebody provided that site as a reference. Discussion on the talk page above and hidden messeges (in multiple places) have been ignored. If you could remove the lengths for that reason it would be appreciated. Thank you.
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A video will be shot in March for the album's first single...
This sentence above taken from the article should be in past tense. RockyMM ( talk) 07:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
The first two songs on the album were leaked today or yesterday, on the Mike Portnoy forum there's a thread where an admin says that a radio station broadcasted them and then put the podcasts on the web. I dont know if that's a reputable source and if it is, I don't know if the album should get a leak section. I know other albums like Octavarium got a pre-release leak section, was wondering if this album should get one. Just checkin. Austin Joseph Billings 01:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragonfly298 ( talk • contribs)
It's been stated by both Mike Portnoy(in the Eddie Trunk interview)and Jordan Rudess(in the DT Norway interview) that the song "The Best of Times" was written about Mike Portnoy's father. There should be a page for this song that states this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMuffinMan92 ( talk • contribs) 17:25, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Richard Wilson, author of their official book 'Lifting Shadows off a Dream'. Surely that's a legit source. Worth putting it in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.143.146 ( talk) 15:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
According to Roadrunner, there's going to be a very limited run of the album with a special packaging, the complete 3 CD special edition, a DVD which allows fans to remix the album, a mouse mat, a ticket (100 of which will win a meet and greet with the band), a lithograph of the album art, and the vinyl edition.
http://roadrunnerrecords.co.uk/release/Black+Clouds+%26+Silver+Linings
If someone could update the page with this in the correct format, that would be great. 142.177.58.68 ( talk) 22:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1990625&skuId=17832375&type=product Other than that I've haven't heard anythign about this version of the CD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.173.29.89 ( talk) 21:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Here's a video of Mike Portnoy describing the deluxe set in detail. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynXwO7-sGZQ
As well, here's the pre-order page from Roadrunner. http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blackclouds/ It's definitely confirmed. 142.68.221.217 ( talk) 21:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I know that Metal Hammer's review was definitely favorable towards the album, but where on the site does it show that they gave it a score of 5/5 stars? I don't see it anywhere. - ACDCGAMER ( talk) 18:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Could we get a "Releases" type section on the article with this information:
So far we have the following- 1 CD Standard Edition, 3-CD Special Edition, 2-LP Vinyl Release, And the Deluxe Collector's Edition/Producer Edition 4-Disc/2-LP box set... a section in the article explaining these 4 versions would be nice! Thanks! MarkyMarc413 ( talk) 18:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Also, the track listing for the vinyl edition is different than the CD edition: http://www.theomegaorder.com/DREAM-THEATER-Black-Clouds-Silver-Linings-double-vinyl Can we add this in there as well? MarkyMarc413 ( talk) 20:28, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't want to ruin the fun, but I have seem to find the covers songs. Altough there are eight of those, it clearly are covers. I don't how to think of it, since I don't want to ruin the excitment, but I found them on CDON.se from Sweden when looking for a preorder of the album. It's scary! http://cdon.se/musik/dream_theater/black_clouds_%26_silver_linings_(3cd_deluxe_ed.)-4200623 Check under the "spårinfo". Can someone please help me verify this. This is my first post and I made this account just for this! -- Suppers Ready ( talk) 11:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
The Roadrunner website claims that the 6 cover tracks are "newly recorded". As the To Tame A Land cover was recorded for a Maiden tribute CD does that rule it out? 78.146.205.109 ( talk) 13:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Call me a bit antithetical to the Wiki norm, but isn't the Youtube leak a "source"?
Meanwhile, the leaked version of The Count of Tuscany is the 19-minute version. Now what? 64.91.218.136 ( talk) 03:06, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I WOULD want to know when the album has leaked (if I didn´t already know) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.115.254.137 ( talk) 17:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Before, the titles of the songs that would be on the cover disc were up. Now, they are not. What gives? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.187.76.236 ( talk) 14:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I have the album already (3CD deluxe edition). It was released on Friday in Germany. Going to see Dream Theater live on Tuesday when the album is released in the US, funny enough. Perhaps the release dates for other countries, if different, should be mentioned. Florian Blaschke ( talk) 20:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I just saw the video used as a citation, but it doesn't actually show Rudess saying that he used the iPhone (specifically Bebot) at any time on the album. Unless someone verifies that, I'm going to take it out. -- Snaxe/fow ( talk) 05:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
It debuted at #6 in Canada. http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Charts/ALBUMS.html If someone could update that section with the proper format, that would be great. 142.177.154.14 ( talk) 15:29, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Currently, BC&SL is #1 on Billboard's European Chart. Is that chart worth noting in the article? http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=European+Top+100+Albums 142.177.154.74 ( talk) 05:07, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I lol'd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.80.135 ( talk) 02:44, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Souldn't you include that the count of tuscany is dream theaters fifth longest song ( sixth if you include A Mind Beside Itself ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.64.113.225 ( talk) 22:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Is the song mere fiction or is it actually about this guy: Archduke Sigismund, Grand Duke of Tuscany (or one of his relatives)? 91.17.216.175 ( talk) 18:40, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
In all i can say that the song A Nightmare to Remember that the name is kinda taking it title from titanic movie A Night To Remember —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.64.113.225 ( talk) 14:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Proove it, because Dream Theater has not claimed that they are taking it from Titanic or that it influenced them. It it had, they would have said so in their documented footage. -- J miester25 ( talk) 22:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Who speaks in the last half of The Shattered Fortress? SkySilver ( talk) 16:49, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
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