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Were wards first invented at Winter Quarters? If so does the concept of a bishop of a ward pre-date the death of Joseph Smith and the subsequent leadership crisis? Bottom line, is the LDS Church concept of a bishop the same as the other groups that arose at the death of Joseph Smith? Tom - Talk 08:21, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
The Priesthood article implies that (non-Levite?) Bishops must be High Priests; this article implies this is merely usual. Can anyone clarify? Alai 19:45, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I left out of my "overhaul" a section on Relationships which I envision as explaining the relationship to to stake presidents, EQ presidents, HP group leaders, auxillary presidencies, PEC, etc. Although the EQ Pres and HQ Group Leader are not "called" by the Bishop most Stake Pres honor the recommendations made by the Bishop and the Bishop manages the resources of the EQ Pres and the HP Group Leader in PEC an other council meetings. Etc. Trödel| talk 02:43, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The article says the bishop is often called the "father of the ward" ... As an active Latter-day Saint, I've NEVER heard this before. If others agree, I would suggest dropping this verbage and retaining the following information because it is accurate. Particularly, the change would be "The Bishop is the priesthood leader that is most intimately involved ...." 209.40.69.13 20:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
The material at Bishopric (LDS Church) seems like it could fairly easily be merged into the section about bishops in the LDS Church. If the bishopric is the bishop plus his counselors and the counselors pretty much do what the bishop asks them to do, then would probably be helpful to have all the information together. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:33, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
It would be helpful to see how the Bishop role has changed over time. For example, early in the LDS church, the Bishop was actually supported out of the Bishop's Storehouse rather than being supported by a separate vocation. This implies that the Bishop has not always been a lay role, but compensated for the time spent managing the church. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.28.225.230 ( talk • contribs)
"According to Latter-day Saint scripture, a bishop in the church does not need to be a high priest nor does he need counselors if he is a Levite and a direct descendant of Aaron, the brother of Moses.[2] In the LDS Church, it is rare for a bishop to be selected under this doctrine." Rare? I have never heard of a single person who has ever held the office of bishop as a lone Aaronic Bishop (also known as a Levitical Bishop). My understanding is that this office in the LDS Church is treated much like the same office in the Community of Christ in that nobody has yet been called to act alone as an Aaronic Bishop, but is always a high priest who has the authority to officiate as, and is specifically called to be, a bishop within a three-person bishopric. If there has ever been an Aaronic bishop serving alone in this capacity in the LDS Church, I would be very interested to find out who that person was and when and where he served. I would also be interested to find out if there have been any other Aaronic bishops serving in any of the other denominations in the Latter Day Saint Movement. -- Champaign ( talk) 23:44, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
There has been some back-and-forth editing of the "fact" that bishopric counselors must be high priests. Here's my feedback on the issue. In almost every bishopric I have encountered, if the counselors were not already high priests at the time of their call, they are ordained high priests prior to being set apart as a member of the bishopric. I have no chapter and verse on this, just my own experience. I don't have access to the handbook section about bishoprics. But I was able to find this quote from the Journal of Discourses: "[T]he Bishop's counselors, if not already ordained to the High Priesthood, should be, and then set apart to act in their capacity as First or Second Counselors to the Bishop." (Journal of Discourses, Volume 19, p. 53) Now, whether the High Priesthood in this instance refers to those who are actually ordained High Priests or merely indicates that counselors to a bishop should be Melchizedek Priesthood holders, is, I suppose, a matter of personal interpretation. I looked in the gospel reference guide, True to the Faith for more on this subject, but came up empty. So I have altered the wording again, but so as not to start an edit war, I thought I'd post here first and invite discussion on this. Thoughts? -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:49, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for those quotes from the handbook. With those quotes in mind, should we edit the article further to clarify what I feel is an important point? -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:34, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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What is the difference of Mormons, INC, Born Alive, and followers of Quiboloy, and followers of Mohammed, Seventh day Adventist, Bible Baptist, Christian Religion, Protestant Reformation? 49.145.172.97 ( talk) 17:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
I propose that the section on Bishops within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints be separated into its own distinct article. Given that this section is the longest part of the current article and addresses a notable aspect of the Church, creating a standalone article would allow for a more detailed exploration and better organization of the content. LuxembourgLover ( talk) 18:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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Were wards first invented at Winter Quarters? If so does the concept of a bishop of a ward pre-date the death of Joseph Smith and the subsequent leadership crisis? Bottom line, is the LDS Church concept of a bishop the same as the other groups that arose at the death of Joseph Smith? Tom - Talk 08:21, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
The Priesthood article implies that (non-Levite?) Bishops must be High Priests; this article implies this is merely usual. Can anyone clarify? Alai 19:45, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I left out of my "overhaul" a section on Relationships which I envision as explaining the relationship to to stake presidents, EQ presidents, HP group leaders, auxillary presidencies, PEC, etc. Although the EQ Pres and HQ Group Leader are not "called" by the Bishop most Stake Pres honor the recommendations made by the Bishop and the Bishop manages the resources of the EQ Pres and the HP Group Leader in PEC an other council meetings. Etc. Trödel| talk 02:43, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The article says the bishop is often called the "father of the ward" ... As an active Latter-day Saint, I've NEVER heard this before. If others agree, I would suggest dropping this verbage and retaining the following information because it is accurate. Particularly, the change would be "The Bishop is the priesthood leader that is most intimately involved ...." 209.40.69.13 20:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
The material at Bishopric (LDS Church) seems like it could fairly easily be merged into the section about bishops in the LDS Church. If the bishopric is the bishop plus his counselors and the counselors pretty much do what the bishop asks them to do, then would probably be helpful to have all the information together. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:33, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
It would be helpful to see how the Bishop role has changed over time. For example, early in the LDS church, the Bishop was actually supported out of the Bishop's Storehouse rather than being supported by a separate vocation. This implies that the Bishop has not always been a lay role, but compensated for the time spent managing the church. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.28.225.230 ( talk • contribs)
"According to Latter-day Saint scripture, a bishop in the church does not need to be a high priest nor does he need counselors if he is a Levite and a direct descendant of Aaron, the brother of Moses.[2] In the LDS Church, it is rare for a bishop to be selected under this doctrine." Rare? I have never heard of a single person who has ever held the office of bishop as a lone Aaronic Bishop (also known as a Levitical Bishop). My understanding is that this office in the LDS Church is treated much like the same office in the Community of Christ in that nobody has yet been called to act alone as an Aaronic Bishop, but is always a high priest who has the authority to officiate as, and is specifically called to be, a bishop within a three-person bishopric. If there has ever been an Aaronic bishop serving alone in this capacity in the LDS Church, I would be very interested to find out who that person was and when and where he served. I would also be interested to find out if there have been any other Aaronic bishops serving in any of the other denominations in the Latter Day Saint Movement. -- Champaign ( talk) 23:44, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
There has been some back-and-forth editing of the "fact" that bishopric counselors must be high priests. Here's my feedback on the issue. In almost every bishopric I have encountered, if the counselors were not already high priests at the time of their call, they are ordained high priests prior to being set apart as a member of the bishopric. I have no chapter and verse on this, just my own experience. I don't have access to the handbook section about bishoprics. But I was able to find this quote from the Journal of Discourses: "[T]he Bishop's counselors, if not already ordained to the High Priesthood, should be, and then set apart to act in their capacity as First or Second Counselors to the Bishop." (Journal of Discourses, Volume 19, p. 53) Now, whether the High Priesthood in this instance refers to those who are actually ordained High Priests or merely indicates that counselors to a bishop should be Melchizedek Priesthood holders, is, I suppose, a matter of personal interpretation. I looked in the gospel reference guide, True to the Faith for more on this subject, but came up empty. So I have altered the wording again, but so as not to start an edit war, I thought I'd post here first and invite discussion on this. Thoughts? -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:49, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for those quotes from the handbook. With those quotes in mind, should we edit the article further to clarify what I feel is an important point? -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:34, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
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What is the difference of Mormons, INC, Born Alive, and followers of Quiboloy, and followers of Mohammed, Seventh day Adventist, Bible Baptist, Christian Religion, Protestant Reformation? 49.145.172.97 ( talk) 17:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
I propose that the section on Bishops within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints be separated into its own distinct article. Given that this section is the longest part of the current article and addresses a notable aspect of the Church, creating a standalone article would allow for a more detailed exploration and better organization of the content. LuxembourgLover ( talk) 18:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)