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Is the cost $400M to the US per annum, or 6? There are two figures on the page that contradict the other.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Effsee ( talk • contribs) 00:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Regarding this accident - "The greatest loss of life directly linked to a bird strike was on October 4, 1960 when an Eastern Air Lines Lockheed L-188 Electra flying from Boston flew through a flock of European starlings during take off, damaging all four engines. The plane crashed shortly after take-off into Boston harbor, with 62 fatalities. Subsequently, minimum bird ingestion standards for turbine-powered engines were developed by the FAA." the birds responsible are always reported as European Starlings or just starlings. However while there were a few Starlings found in the wreckage the great majority of the birds found were in fact Blackbirds. Blackbirds are related to Starlings but are a little larger.
"The energy of the impact increases with the cube of the speed difference." I'm not a physicist (though I am a pilot) -- doesn't the impact energy actually increase with the *square* of the relative speed, not cube? Since kinetic energy is 1/2 mv^2? 12.208.12.201 03:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I've heard another related urban legend: That the spirals painted on the spinners of jet engines are supposed to look like eyes of hawks, or something, and thereby scare off birds. http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/propulsion/q0233a.shtml simply says they're there to let ground crew know that the engines are turning. Any input? Jeh 14:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
you know, you should probably make a link using the caption of the deer in that plane's landing gear because the "disturbing image warning doesn't really help by then, because most people, reading form top to bottom, would have already seen it. Ick.
I have removed an image (there are alot animal impact image in the article) and inserted an image of an engine damage after a bird strike evenet.-- 195.128.38.35 14:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Ugh. I knew that this would happen. In the text as it existed, there was a lot of loose text and redundant information. I chopped it. It got reverted. Here we go.
Is this reversion really justified? How so? Stevage 04:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
The doesn't feature any information about birds getting struck by wind turbines, also referred to as bird strike. This issue has been used in some cases by governments as a reason to oppose wind farms, a hot issue where I'm from. PeterPartyOn 04:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
1 link removed - Amatuear footage - Watermark in footage does not correlate with clip information or uploader profile, no clear indication uploader has right to the footage concerned or is linked to the production entity responsible. Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 18:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
The physical units used in this article in the following sentence make very little sense:
"The force imparted onto the aircraft at collision is defined by the equation F = (1/2)mass X velocity squared, where F equals kinetic energy in foot pounds per square inch."
I'm going to change this sentence to the following:
"The energy that must be dissipated in the collision is approximately the relative kinetic energy (Ek) of the bird, defined by the equation Ek = (1/2)mass X velocity2"
--James Hogan 00:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
It seems like it would be easy enough to make an aerodynamic cone shaped bird deflector grate (cow catcher) that fits on the front of the engine. A sufficiently acute cone would deflect most of the force, as well as the carcass, sideways. Aerodynamic shaped slats would have minimal impact on airflow. Whitis ( talk) 05:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
My thinking as an engineer would be the issue of weight. Birdstrikes are rare, and the higher the baseline weight of an aircraft, the more $ it costs to fly it, especially considering that the material used would have to be strong enough not to break pieces of metal into the engine (far more damaging then birds). Also, you would induce a lot of turbulence right in front of the engine, which reduces its efficiency. 65.167.146.130 ( talk) 15:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I fact-tagged the word "damaging" just now because I think this means that "Turkey vultures cause the most bird strikes". The way it's currently phrased, I'm reading it as "A turkey vulture will cause the most damage to a plane that it happens to strike." Tempshill ( talk) 18:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
In the introductory paragraph of the article, the word 'accidents', links to a page that talks about what an accident is in general. Do we really need that link? I think the link is irrelevant, and most people know what an 'accident' is without having to check the link out. I think the link should be removed. 208.120.218.206 ( talk) 23:37, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Add the section to the talk page since it has been removed from the main article. This way it does not get lost.-- Chris 73 | Talk 12:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Any idea on how to incorporate content from the following link into this page?
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/21/the-first-bird-strike-captured-on-film
The image is from 1916, and is almost certainly in the public domain. The linked page above speculates that it may be the first photographed bird strike. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.237.75.235 ( talk) 01:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
In The United States, the main entity that is tasked with Bird Strike Hazard programs at major airports is the USDA Wildlife Services. There does not seem to be any mention of them in the article. I think it would be a proper addition, but would defer to discussing it here before making any changes to the article. Also, are there any counterparts to this US agency in other countries? Bugguyak ( talk) 19:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but why don't they just put grill meshes on the front of the turbines? 80.47.45.116 ( talk) 09:47, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
--Several reasons. it restricts air flow, the grill has to be so strong to prevent pieces of the bird from being ingested at high speeds that the extra weight would cause destabilization of the engine and the added weight costs in fuel are not cost effective. Bugguyak ( talk) 23:33, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
would this be ok? to modify the heading and add bugstrike as bugs striking pilots and aircraft is just as much a hazard. Koplimek ( talk) 20:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I think Flight 263H has achieved enough recognition to have it's own article. 90.209.11.24 ( talk) 07:47, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Why doesn't the article tell anything about this? These too are bird strikes! Just had this incident TODAY. There was a frighteningly loud "WHOOMP!" and a bird had mistaken my living room window glass for open air. Gladly it was able to get away and I didn't have to take it to the vet, but it could have been worse. Anyways, the article is very "aircraft-fixated" and should get its scope widened. -andy 217.50.48.169 ( talk) 17:19, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
The part of the article about 'forensic' techniques regarding remains sounds odd. Would it not read more appropriately if the term was changed to laboratory? The related link would still be suitable, but the term forensic would be spared. It's being increasingly used in situations describing generic laboratory operations which aren't always of a forensic nature. Mongoosander ( talk) 01:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Mjlynch58 ( talk) 21:42, 5 September 2014 (UTC)The beginning of the second paragraph is misleading. It states "Bird strikes are a significant threat to flight safety, and have caused a number of accidents with human casualties.[3]" Bird strikes HAVE NOT caused a number of accidents with human casualties, perhaps depending on how one defines "a number".
In a paper written for the International Bird Strike Committee, Thorpe, (Thorpe, John. (2003). Fatalities and destroyed civil aircraft due to bird strikes, 1915-2002. Accessed May 1, 2014. www.int-birdstrike.org/Warsaw_Papers/IBSC26%20WPSA1.pdf.) notes that there have been few bird strikes with human casualties in the US. Thorpe specifically states that bird strikes are not a major cause of human fatalities.
Thorpe summarizes the known data on aircraft bird strikes from 1912-2002 globally as follows.
Transport aircraft and Executive Jets: 10 fatal accidents, 164 deaths, 30 aircraft write offs; Airplanes smaller than 5,700 kg -- 27 fatal accidents, 58 deaths, 42 aircraft write offs; Helicopters -- 5 fatal accidents, 9 deaths, 8 write-offs.
That's a total of 42 fatal accidents, 200 deaths spread out globally since 1912; or an average of 2.2 deaths per year over a 90 year period.
Details for each known accident are in the appendix. Mjlynch58 ( talk) 16:08, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Update article to include documented cases of unmanned aerial vehicles striking aircraft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.221.88.92 ( talk) 23:51, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
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Article says
This seems dubious.
1) Is there any particular reason to think that a "white circle" might discourage birds from flying into the engine?
2) At typical collision speeds, it seems like birds probably wouldn't be aware of possible danger until it was too late to avoid it.
Do we have any good cites that clarify this issue? Thanks - 2804:14D:5C59:8300:0:0:0:1000 ( talk) 00:06, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
I'll look into finding a citation for this. Pmaxhogan ( talk) 21:20, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
I think most of this is WP:COI. https://www.worldbirdstrike.com/ appears legitimate however. Invasive Spices ( talk) 2 November 2022 (UTC)
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Is the cost $400M to the US per annum, or 6? There are two figures on the page that contradict the other.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Effsee ( talk • contribs) 00:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Regarding this accident - "The greatest loss of life directly linked to a bird strike was on October 4, 1960 when an Eastern Air Lines Lockheed L-188 Electra flying from Boston flew through a flock of European starlings during take off, damaging all four engines. The plane crashed shortly after take-off into Boston harbor, with 62 fatalities. Subsequently, minimum bird ingestion standards for turbine-powered engines were developed by the FAA." the birds responsible are always reported as European Starlings or just starlings. However while there were a few Starlings found in the wreckage the great majority of the birds found were in fact Blackbirds. Blackbirds are related to Starlings but are a little larger.
"The energy of the impact increases with the cube of the speed difference." I'm not a physicist (though I am a pilot) -- doesn't the impact energy actually increase with the *square* of the relative speed, not cube? Since kinetic energy is 1/2 mv^2? 12.208.12.201 03:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I've heard another related urban legend: That the spirals painted on the spinners of jet engines are supposed to look like eyes of hawks, or something, and thereby scare off birds. http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/propulsion/q0233a.shtml simply says they're there to let ground crew know that the engines are turning. Any input? Jeh 14:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
you know, you should probably make a link using the caption of the deer in that plane's landing gear because the "disturbing image warning doesn't really help by then, because most people, reading form top to bottom, would have already seen it. Ick.
I have removed an image (there are alot animal impact image in the article) and inserted an image of an engine damage after a bird strike evenet.-- 195.128.38.35 14:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Ugh. I knew that this would happen. In the text as it existed, there was a lot of loose text and redundant information. I chopped it. It got reverted. Here we go.
Is this reversion really justified? How so? Stevage 04:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
The doesn't feature any information about birds getting struck by wind turbines, also referred to as bird strike. This issue has been used in some cases by governments as a reason to oppose wind farms, a hot issue where I'm from. PeterPartyOn 04:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
1 link removed - Amatuear footage - Watermark in footage does not correlate with clip information or uploader profile, no clear indication uploader has right to the footage concerned or is linked to the production entity responsible. Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 18:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
The physical units used in this article in the following sentence make very little sense:
"The force imparted onto the aircraft at collision is defined by the equation F = (1/2)mass X velocity squared, where F equals kinetic energy in foot pounds per square inch."
I'm going to change this sentence to the following:
"The energy that must be dissipated in the collision is approximately the relative kinetic energy (Ek) of the bird, defined by the equation Ek = (1/2)mass X velocity2"
--James Hogan 00:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
It seems like it would be easy enough to make an aerodynamic cone shaped bird deflector grate (cow catcher) that fits on the front of the engine. A sufficiently acute cone would deflect most of the force, as well as the carcass, sideways. Aerodynamic shaped slats would have minimal impact on airflow. Whitis ( talk) 05:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
My thinking as an engineer would be the issue of weight. Birdstrikes are rare, and the higher the baseline weight of an aircraft, the more $ it costs to fly it, especially considering that the material used would have to be strong enough not to break pieces of metal into the engine (far more damaging then birds). Also, you would induce a lot of turbulence right in front of the engine, which reduces its efficiency. 65.167.146.130 ( talk) 15:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I fact-tagged the word "damaging" just now because I think this means that "Turkey vultures cause the most bird strikes". The way it's currently phrased, I'm reading it as "A turkey vulture will cause the most damage to a plane that it happens to strike." Tempshill ( talk) 18:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
In the introductory paragraph of the article, the word 'accidents', links to a page that talks about what an accident is in general. Do we really need that link? I think the link is irrelevant, and most people know what an 'accident' is without having to check the link out. I think the link should be removed. 208.120.218.206 ( talk) 23:37, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Add the section to the talk page since it has been removed from the main article. This way it does not get lost.-- Chris 73 | Talk 12:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Any idea on how to incorporate content from the following link into this page?
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/21/the-first-bird-strike-captured-on-film
The image is from 1916, and is almost certainly in the public domain. The linked page above speculates that it may be the first photographed bird strike. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.237.75.235 ( talk) 01:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
In The United States, the main entity that is tasked with Bird Strike Hazard programs at major airports is the USDA Wildlife Services. There does not seem to be any mention of them in the article. I think it would be a proper addition, but would defer to discussing it here before making any changes to the article. Also, are there any counterparts to this US agency in other countries? Bugguyak ( talk) 19:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but why don't they just put grill meshes on the front of the turbines? 80.47.45.116 ( talk) 09:47, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
--Several reasons. it restricts air flow, the grill has to be so strong to prevent pieces of the bird from being ingested at high speeds that the extra weight would cause destabilization of the engine and the added weight costs in fuel are not cost effective. Bugguyak ( talk) 23:33, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
would this be ok? to modify the heading and add bugstrike as bugs striking pilots and aircraft is just as much a hazard. Koplimek ( talk) 20:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I think Flight 263H has achieved enough recognition to have it's own article. 90.209.11.24 ( talk) 07:47, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Why doesn't the article tell anything about this? These too are bird strikes! Just had this incident TODAY. There was a frighteningly loud "WHOOMP!" and a bird had mistaken my living room window glass for open air. Gladly it was able to get away and I didn't have to take it to the vet, but it could have been worse. Anyways, the article is very "aircraft-fixated" and should get its scope widened. -andy 217.50.48.169 ( talk) 17:19, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
The part of the article about 'forensic' techniques regarding remains sounds odd. Would it not read more appropriately if the term was changed to laboratory? The related link would still be suitable, but the term forensic would be spared. It's being increasingly used in situations describing generic laboratory operations which aren't always of a forensic nature. Mongoosander ( talk) 01:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Mjlynch58 ( talk) 21:42, 5 September 2014 (UTC)The beginning of the second paragraph is misleading. It states "Bird strikes are a significant threat to flight safety, and have caused a number of accidents with human casualties.[3]" Bird strikes HAVE NOT caused a number of accidents with human casualties, perhaps depending on how one defines "a number".
In a paper written for the International Bird Strike Committee, Thorpe, (Thorpe, John. (2003). Fatalities and destroyed civil aircraft due to bird strikes, 1915-2002. Accessed May 1, 2014. www.int-birdstrike.org/Warsaw_Papers/IBSC26%20WPSA1.pdf.) notes that there have been few bird strikes with human casualties in the US. Thorpe specifically states that bird strikes are not a major cause of human fatalities.
Thorpe summarizes the known data on aircraft bird strikes from 1912-2002 globally as follows.
Transport aircraft and Executive Jets: 10 fatal accidents, 164 deaths, 30 aircraft write offs; Airplanes smaller than 5,700 kg -- 27 fatal accidents, 58 deaths, 42 aircraft write offs; Helicopters -- 5 fatal accidents, 9 deaths, 8 write-offs.
That's a total of 42 fatal accidents, 200 deaths spread out globally since 1912; or an average of 2.2 deaths per year over a 90 year period.
Details for each known accident are in the appendix. Mjlynch58 ( talk) 16:08, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Update article to include documented cases of unmanned aerial vehicles striking aircraft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.221.88.92 ( talk) 23:51, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
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Article says
This seems dubious.
1) Is there any particular reason to think that a "white circle" might discourage birds from flying into the engine?
2) At typical collision speeds, it seems like birds probably wouldn't be aware of possible danger until it was too late to avoid it.
Do we have any good cites that clarify this issue? Thanks - 2804:14D:5C59:8300:0:0:0:1000 ( talk) 00:06, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
I'll look into finding a citation for this. Pmaxhogan ( talk) 21:20, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
I think most of this is WP:COI. https://www.worldbirdstrike.com/ appears legitimate however. Invasive Spices ( talk) 2 November 2022 (UTC)