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Did Junkers really do more to promote and develop the monoplane than others? He didn't make the first monoplane, that's for sure. 05:18, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
"Although the presence of two wings (or three in a triplane) adds lift in comparison with a monoplane, a tailplane is as necessary as in a biplane design."
I think there is something strange in this phrase as the tailplane produce negative lift I would say "a tailplane is more necessary in a biplane design".
Ericd 23:18 Mar 26, 2003 (UTC)
Why is there a picture of a Rotan plane termed 'tandem wing biplane'? Surely a plane cannot be both at once. 145.253.108.22 15:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I do not understand why the link to the Microraptor article, which is a dinosaur, is present in the "See also" section.
I took the liberty of removing it, and adding links to the monoplane and triplane articles.-- Empowered 18:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
The author is making incorrect conclusions about disadvantages of biplane versus monoplane. Monoplane is (about 30%) [1] less efficient aerodynamically compare to biplane. The aerodynamic advantage of biplane has been known for about 100 years. In fact the Wright brothers knew about advantages of biplane along with many other people. Ashame to the modern aviators. They are not as educated in science as people used to be 100 years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.150.10.123 ( talk) 14:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
The text of this article had become very incoherent due to sentences and paragraphs etc. being split up and shuffled. I have rearranged the text into something more closely resembling the original order - taking the opportunity to brush up the prose. Hopefully it now makes better sense.
Comments welcome! Soundofmusicals 23:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The following sentance needs clarification: Excessive amounts of stagger reduce the structural benefits of the biplane layout. The proceeding portion of the article does not detail any structural benifits derived from this configuration, only aerodynamic effects. The preceding paragraph needs to include whatever information to which this comment alludes.
This had become bogged down a little with irrelevancies like wing warping vs. ailerons - I have basically rewritten it! The point is that biplanes were common because "braced" monoplane wings (as opposed to cantilever ones) tended to produce aeroplanes that were almost uncontrollable in the "lateral" or roll sense. This was WORSE with ailerons (which is why so many early monoplanes used wing warping). The point was that a control surface like an aileron becomes a "tab" and acts in the opposite sense on a wing that is liable to distortion by load or aerodynamic forces. Not nice. Soundofmusicals ( talk) 22:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi:
The rise and fall of the bi-plane design may make a good measure of the earliest phase of heavier than air flight. Advancements in engineering design and materials choice, aeronautical science and powerplants each contributed to the end of the bi-plane period. I think some reorganizing may make this a very satisfying read. When did the bi-plane period have its sunset? When was its zenith? Ultimately, the design was doomed but how did the design peak? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.185.24 ( talk) 04:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Suggestion: The article has missed the double-decker of Otto Lilienthal, a true biplane. And the tail-less biplane gliders and powered craft seem to be missing. Definitive theory concerning stagger and separation would seem to be appropriate. Extreme separation of wings? Stacked power parafoil kites are proably part of this biplane concern. Joefaust ( talk) 17:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Just for one example, the Macchi M.71 is mentioned as a single-bay biplane. The Fairey Fremantle otoh is a two-bay biplane. Could anyone explain what this bay terminology indicates? Also, I'm unlikely to be the only one to wonder, so a little mention in the article would be a welcome addition. Thanks in advance, Jan olieslagers ( talk) 04:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
The current explanation was very confusing, and the Nieuports are obviously not "two bay". I moved the section further down, and rewrote it to the best of my understanding, replacing the examples with better links. Also I added the long needed link to Interplane strut#Bays, although it really doesn't offer any additional information. -- BjKa ( talk) 09:16, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
I also added some illustrations. Maybe the whole matter should be moved to the Interplane strut article, but it seems that many readers (like myself) who click on a "bay" link in an ariplane article are sent here. -- BjKa ( talk) 09:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Arrivisto has added some content, easiest to identify in this diff, which I think is uninformative. This article is not just a fan list of types but a discussion of the biplane as a wing configuration. As such, I find these additions gratuitous and distracting. Arrivisto has chosen not to use the recommended Be bold - Revert - Discuss cycle but to counter-revert (the above diff actually shows that action). Any comments would be welcome. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 13:23, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
I am wondering if anyone ever built a biplane with two sets of monoplane wings, so no struts, wires etc. I am not saying such a thing would be efficient though. Middle More Rider ( talk) 23:35, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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Did Junkers really do more to promote and develop the monoplane than others? He didn't make the first monoplane, that's for sure. 05:18, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
"Although the presence of two wings (or three in a triplane) adds lift in comparison with a monoplane, a tailplane is as necessary as in a biplane design."
I think there is something strange in this phrase as the tailplane produce negative lift I would say "a tailplane is more necessary in a biplane design".
Ericd 23:18 Mar 26, 2003 (UTC)
Why is there a picture of a Rotan plane termed 'tandem wing biplane'? Surely a plane cannot be both at once. 145.253.108.22 15:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I do not understand why the link to the Microraptor article, which is a dinosaur, is present in the "See also" section.
I took the liberty of removing it, and adding links to the monoplane and triplane articles.-- Empowered 18:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
The author is making incorrect conclusions about disadvantages of biplane versus monoplane. Monoplane is (about 30%) [1] less efficient aerodynamically compare to biplane. The aerodynamic advantage of biplane has been known for about 100 years. In fact the Wright brothers knew about advantages of biplane along with many other people. Ashame to the modern aviators. They are not as educated in science as people used to be 100 years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.150.10.123 ( talk) 14:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
The text of this article had become very incoherent due to sentences and paragraphs etc. being split up and shuffled. I have rearranged the text into something more closely resembling the original order - taking the opportunity to brush up the prose. Hopefully it now makes better sense.
Comments welcome! Soundofmusicals 23:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The following sentance needs clarification: Excessive amounts of stagger reduce the structural benefits of the biplane layout. The proceeding portion of the article does not detail any structural benifits derived from this configuration, only aerodynamic effects. The preceding paragraph needs to include whatever information to which this comment alludes.
This had become bogged down a little with irrelevancies like wing warping vs. ailerons - I have basically rewritten it! The point is that biplanes were common because "braced" monoplane wings (as opposed to cantilever ones) tended to produce aeroplanes that were almost uncontrollable in the "lateral" or roll sense. This was WORSE with ailerons (which is why so many early monoplanes used wing warping). The point was that a control surface like an aileron becomes a "tab" and acts in the opposite sense on a wing that is liable to distortion by load or aerodynamic forces. Not nice. Soundofmusicals ( talk) 22:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi:
The rise and fall of the bi-plane design may make a good measure of the earliest phase of heavier than air flight. Advancements in engineering design and materials choice, aeronautical science and powerplants each contributed to the end of the bi-plane period. I think some reorganizing may make this a very satisfying read. When did the bi-plane period have its sunset? When was its zenith? Ultimately, the design was doomed but how did the design peak? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.185.24 ( talk) 04:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Suggestion: The article has missed the double-decker of Otto Lilienthal, a true biplane. And the tail-less biplane gliders and powered craft seem to be missing. Definitive theory concerning stagger and separation would seem to be appropriate. Extreme separation of wings? Stacked power parafoil kites are proably part of this biplane concern. Joefaust ( talk) 17:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Just for one example, the Macchi M.71 is mentioned as a single-bay biplane. The Fairey Fremantle otoh is a two-bay biplane. Could anyone explain what this bay terminology indicates? Also, I'm unlikely to be the only one to wonder, so a little mention in the article would be a welcome addition. Thanks in advance, Jan olieslagers ( talk) 04:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
The current explanation was very confusing, and the Nieuports are obviously not "two bay". I moved the section further down, and rewrote it to the best of my understanding, replacing the examples with better links. Also I added the long needed link to Interplane strut#Bays, although it really doesn't offer any additional information. -- BjKa ( talk) 09:16, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
I also added some illustrations. Maybe the whole matter should be moved to the Interplane strut article, but it seems that many readers (like myself) who click on a "bay" link in an ariplane article are sent here. -- BjKa ( talk) 09:56, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Arrivisto has added some content, easiest to identify in this diff, which I think is uninformative. This article is not just a fan list of types but a discussion of the biplane as a wing configuration. As such, I find these additions gratuitous and distracting. Arrivisto has chosen not to use the recommended Be bold - Revert - Discuss cycle but to counter-revert (the above diff actually shows that action). Any comments would be welcome. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 13:23, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
I am wondering if anyone ever built a biplane with two sets of monoplane wings, so no struts, wires etc. I am not saying such a thing would be efficient though. Middle More Rider ( talk) 23:35, 16 May 2022 (UTC)