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I want to compromise the conciseness and prettiness of this:
Byte unit ( SI prefix) | |
---|---|
Other: | kilo- | mega- | giga- | tera- | peta- | exa- | zeta- |
Related bit unit: Megabit | |
Related binary prefix unit: Mebibyte |
with the info in this:
Decimal prefixes
|
Binary prefixes | |||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
SI prefixes powers of ten |
Binary prefixes powers of two |
IEC std prefixes powers of two | ||||||||
Prefix | Symbol | Multiple | Prefix | Symbol | Multiple | Prefix | Symbol | |||
yotta | Y
|
≈ | yotta | Y
|
280
|
|||||
zetta | Z
|
≈ | zetta | Z
|
270
|
|||||
exa | E
|
≈ | exa | E
|
260
|
= | exbi | Ei
| ||
peta | P
|
≈ | peta | P
|
250
|
= | pebi | Pi
| ||
tera | T
|
≈ | tera | T
|
240
|
= | tebi | Ti
| ||
giga | G
|
≈ | giga | G
|
230
|
= | gibi | Gi
| ||
mega | M
|
≈ | mega | M
|
220
|
= | mebi | Mi
| ||
kilo | k
|
≈ | kilo | k or K
|
210
|
= | kibi | Ki
| ||
Notes:
|
and create template that we can put in all the little articles like kilobit and pebibyte so newcomers realize each article has its own info already and stop trying to write the same info into one of the little articles.
I basically just want to make this:
SI, bits | SI, bytes | IEC, bits | IEC, bytes |
---|---|---|---|
Kilobit | Kilobyte | Kibibit | Kibibyte |
Megabit | Megabyte | Mebibit | Mebibyte |
Gigabit | Gigabyte | Gibibit | Gibibyte |
Terabit | Terabyte | Tebibit | Tebibyte |
Petabit | Petabyte | Pebibit | Pebibyte |
Exabit | Exabyte | Exbibit | Exbibyte |
Zettabit | Zettabyte | — | — |
Yottabit | Yottabyte | — | — |
into a prettier navbox with a little more info. Ideas? - Omegatron 17:22, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
Decimal
SI prefixes powers of ten |
Binary
IEC prefixes powers of two | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Prefix | Symbol | Multiple | Prefix | Symbol | Multiple | |
kilo | k | 103 | ≈ | kibi | Ki | 210 |
mega | M | 106 | ≈ | mebi | Mi | 220 |
giga | G | 109 | ≈ | gibi | Gi | 230 |
tera | T | 1012 | ≈ | tebi | Ti | 240 |
peta | P | 1015 | ≈ | pebi | Pi | 250 |
exa | E | 1018 | ≈ | exbi | Ei | 260 |
zetta | Z | 1021 | ||||
yotta | Y | 1024 | ||||
These prefixes are often applied to byte and bit. |
How about this? Feel free to come up with a better/smaller phrase/sentence to put at the bottom. Variants I thought about: "applied to", "added to", "used with", remove word "prefixes", add word "terms", and so on... What do you think? Also, if we nuke all those dictdef articles we should make sure any interesting info like in petabyte is preserved into the common byte article. Oh and we gotta think of the name for the template. Delicates 19:44, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
SI, bits | SI, bytes | IEC, bits | IEC, bytes |
---|---|---|---|
Kilobit | Kilobyte | Kibibit | Kibibyte |
Megabit | Megabyte | Mebibit | Mebibyte |
Gigabit | Gigabyte | Gibibit | Gibibyte |
Terabit | Terabyte | Tebibit | Tebibyte |
Petabit | Petabyte | Pebibit | Pebibyte |
Exabit | Exabyte | Exbibit | Exbibyte |
Zettabit | Zettabyte | — | — |
Yottabit | Yottabyte | — | — |
Alright so almost everyone likes the template idea. Do we have one yet? - Omegatron 12:19, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
Little articles like pebibit keep getting stuff about other units added to them, get altered so they aren't consistent with the others, etc. by anons who probably don't realize there is an article for each individual prefix and unit, like megabit/ mebibit/ megabyte/ mebibyte.
So what should we do?
It's been a month since that poll was last updated, and there seems to be support for the template idea. (Not a consensus, true.) I've adopted the above table into two: one for -byte pages and one for -bit pages.
Table for pebibit, petabit, etc articles:
Decimal names powers of ten |
Binary names powers of two | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Name | Symbol | Multiple | Name | Symbol | Multiple | |
kilobit | kb | 103 | ≈ | kibibit | Kib | 210 |
megabit | Mb | 106 | ≈ | mebibit | Mib | 220 |
gigabit | Gb | 109 | ≈ | gibibit | Gib | 230 |
terabit | Tb | 1012 | ≈ | tebibit | Tib | 240 |
petabit | Pb | 1015 | ≈ | pebibit | Pib | 250 |
exabit | Eb | 1018 | ≈ | exbibit | Eib | 260 |
zettabit | Zb | 1021 | ||||
yottabit | Yb | 1024 |
Table for petabyte, pebibyte, etc articles:
Decimal names powers of ten |
Binary names powers of two | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Name | Symbol | Multiple | Name | Symbol | Multiple | |
kilobyte | kB | 103 | ≈ | kibibyte | KiB | 210 |
megabyte | MB | 106 | ≈ | mebibyte | MiB | 220 |
gigabyte | GB | 109 | ≈ | gibibyte | GiB | 230 |
terabyte | TB | 1012 | ≈ | tebibyte | TiB | 240 |
petabyte | PB | 1015 | ≈ | pebibyte | PiB | 250 |
exabyte | EB | 1018 | ≈ | exbibyte | EiB | 260 |
zettabyte | ZB | 1021 | ||||
yottabyte | YB | 1024 |
I suggest that at the bottom of each -bibyte pages we have a see also with links to: the corresponding decimal-prefixed version, the corresponding -bibit, the binary prefix article, and the orders of magnitude (data) article. Similarly for the -bibit and decimal-prefixed pages.
I'll wait for a couple days for comments. If there are no objections, I'll turn the above into real templates and go about changing all the relevant pages. One-dimensional Tangent ( Talk) 19:44, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
Multiples of bytes | ||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Decimal prefixes | Binary prefixes | |||||
Name | Symbol | Multiple | Name | Symbol | Multiple | |
kilobyte | kB | 103 | ≈ | kibibyte | KiB | 210 |
megabyte | MB | 106 | ≈ | mebibyte | MiB | 220 |
gigabyte | GB | 109 | ≈ | gibibyte | GiB | 230 |
terabyte | TB | 1012 | ≈ | tebibyte | TiB | 240 |
petabyte | PB | 1015 | ≈ | pebibyte | PiB | 250 |
exabyte | EB | 1018 | ≈ | exbibyte | EiB | 260 |
zettabyte | ZB | 1021 | ||||
yottabyte | YB | 1024 |
Uh oh. Do we need to do the same thing with megabit per second, kibibit per second, etc.? I see everyone is misspelling "mebibit" as "mibibit". - Omegatron 23:49, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
I made another one for the bit rates:
Name | Symbol | Multiple | |
---|---|---|---|
bit per second | bit/s | 1 | 1 |
Metric prefixes ( SI) | |||
kilobit per second | kbit/s | 103 | 10001 |
megabit per second | Mbit/s | 106 | 10002 |
gigabit per second | Gbit/s | 109 | 10003 |
terabit per second | Tbit/s | 1012 | 10004 |
Binary prefixes ( IEC 80000-13) | |||
kibibit per second | Kibit/s | 210 | 10241 |
mebibit per second | Mibit/s | 220 | 10242 |
gibibit per second | Gibit/s | 230 | 10243 |
tebibit per second | Tibit/s | 240 | 10244 |
Byte rates don't deserve their own articles at this point, and are just merged into bit rates. I would like if someone could double check them all. I fixed a lot of errors, but missed a few I'm sure.
For the record, it's mebibit (Mib) and mebibyte (MiB), not mibibyte or MeB. Everyone gets those mixed up. - Omegatron 23:11, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
Discussion moved from Talk:Gigabyte since it's much more appropriate here. I didn't actually move the whole conversation, since I don't want to overstep anything. - Omegatron 01:15, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
I am aware of the errors which people who are pushing the GiB notation (which has not been accepted in widespread use) have put all over the wikipedia. the article on binary prefix is well written for the most part and uses the unpopular titles for the sake of clarity in discussion. there are some claims in there which should be verified such as the ones you have made in the previous comment. please feel free to come forward with proof that those are the accepted uses in those fields (perhaps from IEEE or such) and we can go about citing sources. I have not changed them to the correct uses because i have not done the same. the abstract (such as this article) are easy enough to back up and that is why i edit it. to state what constitutes common use would take more reseach (which i dont currently have time to do) Cavebear42 17:20, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I completely oppose pervasive use of "KiB" instead of "KB" to mean 1024 bytes. This is terrible, terrible. No one but the geekiest nerds knows what this means (this is not a pejorative claim). Is this being discussed anywhere else? -- Locarno 18:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 |
I want to compromise the conciseness and prettiness of this:
Byte unit ( SI prefix) | |
---|---|
Other: | kilo- | mega- | giga- | tera- | peta- | exa- | zeta- |
Related bit unit: Megabit | |
Related binary prefix unit: Mebibyte |
with the info in this:
Decimal prefixes
|
Binary prefixes | |||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
SI prefixes powers of ten |
Binary prefixes powers of two |
IEC std prefixes powers of two | ||||||||
Prefix | Symbol | Multiple | Prefix | Symbol | Multiple | Prefix | Symbol | |||
yotta | Y
|
≈ | yotta | Y
|
280
|
|||||
zetta | Z
|
≈ | zetta | Z
|
270
|
|||||
exa | E
|
≈ | exa | E
|
260
|
= | exbi | Ei
| ||
peta | P
|
≈ | peta | P
|
250
|
= | pebi | Pi
| ||
tera | T
|
≈ | tera | T
|
240
|
= | tebi | Ti
| ||
giga | G
|
≈ | giga | G
|
230
|
= | gibi | Gi
| ||
mega | M
|
≈ | mega | M
|
220
|
= | mebi | Mi
| ||
kilo | k
|
≈ | kilo | k or K
|
210
|
= | kibi | Ki
| ||
Notes:
|
and create template that we can put in all the little articles like kilobit and pebibyte so newcomers realize each article has its own info already and stop trying to write the same info into one of the little articles.
I basically just want to make this:
SI, bits | SI, bytes | IEC, bits | IEC, bytes |
---|---|---|---|
Kilobit | Kilobyte | Kibibit | Kibibyte |
Megabit | Megabyte | Mebibit | Mebibyte |
Gigabit | Gigabyte | Gibibit | Gibibyte |
Terabit | Terabyte | Tebibit | Tebibyte |
Petabit | Petabyte | Pebibit | Pebibyte |
Exabit | Exabyte | Exbibit | Exbibyte |
Zettabit | Zettabyte | — | — |
Yottabit | Yottabyte | — | — |
into a prettier navbox with a little more info. Ideas? - Omegatron 17:22, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)
Decimal
SI prefixes powers of ten |
Binary
IEC prefixes powers of two | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Prefix | Symbol | Multiple | Prefix | Symbol | Multiple | |
kilo | k | 103 | ≈ | kibi | Ki | 210 |
mega | M | 106 | ≈ | mebi | Mi | 220 |
giga | G | 109 | ≈ | gibi | Gi | 230 |
tera | T | 1012 | ≈ | tebi | Ti | 240 |
peta | P | 1015 | ≈ | pebi | Pi | 250 |
exa | E | 1018 | ≈ | exbi | Ei | 260 |
zetta | Z | 1021 | ||||
yotta | Y | 1024 | ||||
These prefixes are often applied to byte and bit. |
How about this? Feel free to come up with a better/smaller phrase/sentence to put at the bottom. Variants I thought about: "applied to", "added to", "used with", remove word "prefixes", add word "terms", and so on... What do you think? Also, if we nuke all those dictdef articles we should make sure any interesting info like in petabyte is preserved into the common byte article. Oh and we gotta think of the name for the template. Delicates 19:44, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
SI, bits | SI, bytes | IEC, bits | IEC, bytes |
---|---|---|---|
Kilobit | Kilobyte | Kibibit | Kibibyte |
Megabit | Megabyte | Mebibit | Mebibyte |
Gigabit | Gigabyte | Gibibit | Gibibyte |
Terabit | Terabyte | Tebibit | Tebibyte |
Petabit | Petabyte | Pebibit | Pebibyte |
Exabit | Exabyte | Exbibit | Exbibyte |
Zettabit | Zettabyte | — | — |
Yottabit | Yottabyte | — | — |
Alright so almost everyone likes the template idea. Do we have one yet? - Omegatron 12:19, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
Little articles like pebibit keep getting stuff about other units added to them, get altered so they aren't consistent with the others, etc. by anons who probably don't realize there is an article for each individual prefix and unit, like megabit/ mebibit/ megabyte/ mebibyte.
So what should we do?
It's been a month since that poll was last updated, and there seems to be support for the template idea. (Not a consensus, true.) I've adopted the above table into two: one for -byte pages and one for -bit pages.
Table for pebibit, petabit, etc articles:
Decimal names powers of ten |
Binary names powers of two | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Name | Symbol | Multiple | Name | Symbol | Multiple | |
kilobit | kb | 103 | ≈ | kibibit | Kib | 210 |
megabit | Mb | 106 | ≈ | mebibit | Mib | 220 |
gigabit | Gb | 109 | ≈ | gibibit | Gib | 230 |
terabit | Tb | 1012 | ≈ | tebibit | Tib | 240 |
petabit | Pb | 1015 | ≈ | pebibit | Pib | 250 |
exabit | Eb | 1018 | ≈ | exbibit | Eib | 260 |
zettabit | Zb | 1021 | ||||
yottabit | Yb | 1024 |
Table for petabyte, pebibyte, etc articles:
Decimal names powers of ten |
Binary names powers of two | |||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Name | Symbol | Multiple | Name | Symbol | Multiple | |
kilobyte | kB | 103 | ≈ | kibibyte | KiB | 210 |
megabyte | MB | 106 | ≈ | mebibyte | MiB | 220 |
gigabyte | GB | 109 | ≈ | gibibyte | GiB | 230 |
terabyte | TB | 1012 | ≈ | tebibyte | TiB | 240 |
petabyte | PB | 1015 | ≈ | pebibyte | PiB | 250 |
exabyte | EB | 1018 | ≈ | exbibyte | EiB | 260 |
zettabyte | ZB | 1021 | ||||
yottabyte | YB | 1024 |
I suggest that at the bottom of each -bibyte pages we have a see also with links to: the corresponding decimal-prefixed version, the corresponding -bibit, the binary prefix article, and the orders of magnitude (data) article. Similarly for the -bibit and decimal-prefixed pages.
I'll wait for a couple days for comments. If there are no objections, I'll turn the above into real templates and go about changing all the relevant pages. One-dimensional Tangent ( Talk) 19:44, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
Multiples of bytes | ||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Decimal prefixes | Binary prefixes | |||||
Name | Symbol | Multiple | Name | Symbol | Multiple | |
kilobyte | kB | 103 | ≈ | kibibyte | KiB | 210 |
megabyte | MB | 106 | ≈ | mebibyte | MiB | 220 |
gigabyte | GB | 109 | ≈ | gibibyte | GiB | 230 |
terabyte | TB | 1012 | ≈ | tebibyte | TiB | 240 |
petabyte | PB | 1015 | ≈ | pebibyte | PiB | 250 |
exabyte | EB | 1018 | ≈ | exbibyte | EiB | 260 |
zettabyte | ZB | 1021 | ||||
yottabyte | YB | 1024 |
Uh oh. Do we need to do the same thing with megabit per second, kibibit per second, etc.? I see everyone is misspelling "mebibit" as "mibibit". - Omegatron 23:49, May 23, 2005 (UTC)
I made another one for the bit rates:
Name | Symbol | Multiple | |
---|---|---|---|
bit per second | bit/s | 1 | 1 |
Metric prefixes ( SI) | |||
kilobit per second | kbit/s | 103 | 10001 |
megabit per second | Mbit/s | 106 | 10002 |
gigabit per second | Gbit/s | 109 | 10003 |
terabit per second | Tbit/s | 1012 | 10004 |
Binary prefixes ( IEC 80000-13) | |||
kibibit per second | Kibit/s | 210 | 10241 |
mebibit per second | Mibit/s | 220 | 10242 |
gibibit per second | Gibit/s | 230 | 10243 |
tebibit per second | Tibit/s | 240 | 10244 |
Byte rates don't deserve their own articles at this point, and are just merged into bit rates. I would like if someone could double check them all. I fixed a lot of errors, but missed a few I'm sure.
For the record, it's mebibit (Mib) and mebibyte (MiB), not mibibyte or MeB. Everyone gets those mixed up. - Omegatron 23:11, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
Discussion moved from Talk:Gigabyte since it's much more appropriate here. I didn't actually move the whole conversation, since I don't want to overstep anything. - Omegatron 01:15, May 28, 2005 (UTC)
I am aware of the errors which people who are pushing the GiB notation (which has not been accepted in widespread use) have put all over the wikipedia. the article on binary prefix is well written for the most part and uses the unpopular titles for the sake of clarity in discussion. there are some claims in there which should be verified such as the ones you have made in the previous comment. please feel free to come forward with proof that those are the accepted uses in those fields (perhaps from IEEE or such) and we can go about citing sources. I have not changed them to the correct uses because i have not done the same. the abstract (such as this article) are easy enough to back up and that is why i edit it. to state what constitutes common use would take more reseach (which i dont currently have time to do) Cavebear42 17:20, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I completely oppose pervasive use of "KiB" instead of "KB" to mean 1024 bytes. This is terrible, terrible. No one but the geekiest nerds knows what this means (this is not a pejorative claim). Is this being discussed anywhere else? -- Locarno 18:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)