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Corrected the number invited to 137, it has since been reverted to "around 130" by Crosbiesmith ?. Added the word conspiracy to the http://www.bilderberg.org link. Omeganumber
Removed the last sentence from the Declared Purpose, as it was not related to said section and is discussed later.
Can anyone tell if this tag is still valid? if so, what should still be done. If there is no reply in two weeks (before april 25) I will delete the tag altogether Martijn Hoekstra 19:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for my style of formulation (which was corrected meanwhile by others) as I tried to complement that paragraph.
-- 84.137.112.205 04:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)Lammerstraat@t-online.de (newcomer)
Hmm, something I do not understand (technically): I only opended the discussion here, added my remark above, furthermore looked up the history (but didn´t change nothing in the article) - but then, when I went back to the article (or even opended it again later) m y old sentence stood there again (including that type-error "whome"). That was not my intention, I tried (several times) to replace it by the the newer version (from the history) again; hope it works now.
-- 84.137.112.205 04:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)Lammerstraat@t-online.de
The folllowing is written from a highly critical perspective.
The 2003 Bilderberg meeting in Versailles conveniently merged into the G8 meeting of finance ministers in Paris, a 20-minute car ride from Versailles, on May 19. The procedure is traditional: what happens in the Bilderberg is usually a preview of what is later discussed at the full G8 gathering, scheduled in 2003 for June 1 to 3 at Evian-les-Bains in the French Alps.
On Bilderberg's first full 2003 working day on May 15, 2003, French President Jacques Chirac delivered a welcoming speech, trying to bury the bitter divisions among the guests over the war on Iraq by emphasizing that the US and Western Europe are longtime allies. But Chirac's gracious hosting may not have been enough to soothe the hawks in the US administration still miffed at "pacifist" France.
An influential Jewish European banker reveals that the ruling elite in Europe is now telling their minions that the West is on the brink of total financial meltdown; so the only way to save their precious investments is to bet on the new global crisis centered around the Middle East, which replaced the crisis evolving around the Cold War.
According to a banking source in the City of London connected to Versailles, what has transpired from the 2003 meeting is that American and European Bilderbergers have not exactly managed to control their split over the American invasion and occupation of Iraq, as well as over Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's hardline policy against the Palestinians.
Europe's elite were opposed to an American invasion of Iraq since the 2002 Bilderberg meeting in Chantilly, Virginia. Rumsfeld himself had promised them it wouldn't happen. Last week, everybody struck back at Rumsfeld, asking about the infamous " weapons of mass destruction". Most of Europe's elite do not believe American promises that Iraq's oil will "benefit the Iraqi people". They know that revenues from Iraqi oil will be used to rebuild what America has bombed. And the debate is still raging on what kind of contracts which rewarded Bechtel and Halliburton Energy Services will "benefit" Western Europe.
Europe's elite, according to those close to Bilderberg, are suspicious that the US does not need or even want a stable, legitimate central government in Iraq. When that happens, there will be no reason for the US to remain in the country. Europe's elite see the US establishing "facts on the ground": establishing a long-term military presence and getting the oil flowing again under American control. This could go on for years, as long as the Americans can guarantee enough essential services to prevent the Iraqi people from engaging in a war of national liberation.
It was also extremely hard at the Versailles meeting to forge a consensus on the necessity of a European Union army totally independent of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). The US establishment, of course, is against the EU army. But so are some Europeans, starting with anti-army cheerleader Lord Robertson, NATO's secretary general. Europe's elite can't stand US domination of NATO any more. Some Europeans suggest a separate force, but controlled by NATO. Americans argue that a separate EU force would dissolve NATO's role as the UN's world army. And Americans insist that NATO is no longer confined to the defense of Europe: its troops now could go anywhere in the world, directed or not by the UN Security Council. The impasse remains.
All these crucial developments were discussed behind closed doors. The Trianon Palace Hotel in Versailles was closed to the public. Part-time employees were sent home. The ones who remained were told that they would be fired if caught revealing anything about the meeting. Armed guards completely isolated and cordoned off the hotel. Some members of the American corporate press attended - but the public will never know about it: Bilderberg news is not fit to print - or broadcast. No journalists from any media controlled by Bilderberg multinational tycoons such as Rupert Murdoch were or will be allowed to report it.
oooh, do we have insider here? Mr. Rockefeller is that you? —Preceding
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Moved here:
Not relevant. -- Viajero 11:40, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Anybody know of an official, or non-critical website? According to the article, the agenda is not secret, so it's known, published exactly how?
Is Attendees [...] try to magnify their political clout NPoV? Andy Mabbett 21:06, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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This group ("Bildenbergers") was (from about fifteen until ten years ago especially) the subject of constant clamouring on American right wing talk radio about how it was nothing less than a cabal which secretly ruled the world. In recent years, this seems to have diminshed as a topic for discussion, at least on programmes that I have heard. (Perhaps because much of the discussion seemed so patently ridiculous, perhaps because its most ardent opponents also seemed rife with Anti-Semitism – it was all the worse because it was somehow a Jewish cabal.) I don't know how to incorporate this within the body of the article without it seeming hopelessly POV, even though the fact is not that these sort of charges have merit, but that they were relentlessly discussed is undeniable. I would like to see someone try to handle this.
Rlquall 12:06, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
-- TheReverendDoom 17:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Bilderberg would necessarily be anti-conspiracy because it is known. Much is known about this group and the fact that it has a name at all shows that it isn't secret. By contrast, a group that sought secrecy would have no formal organization. My guess is that Bilderberg meets at hotels because its members would like the freedom to speak their minds without offending their weekend host. The price they pay is some media attention, but we would all be remiss if we believed that this known group was somehow more harmful than the potentially thousands of groups not known to the American and European publics. Watch "Remains of the Day" again and you will see everything that's right with Bilderberg.
First, it seems that no criticisms of the Bilderberg Group have been allowed to appear in this article unless labeled as "conspiracy theories". There are plenty of publicly aired criticisms that cannot fairly be labeled as such, but apparently no discussion of them is to be allowed here. Further, it is irresponsible to classify something as a "conspiracy theory" unless it is verifiable that it is such. By common understanding, a "conspiracy theory" is not merely a theory that postulates a nefarious conspiracy, but one that has no objective grounding. Personally, I am not a fan of anti-Bilderberg "conspiracy theories", but the presentation here is biased, not only with respect to the examples mentioned but in the way that all criticism of Bilderberg is excluded.˜˜˜˜ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.197.218.34 ( talk) 09:49, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Here are the problems that I have with your ( Event Horizion's) edits:
Please respond within a day or two, or I will revert it again. -- Scott eiπ 23:03, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
many sites that you can find google, tell that bilderberg group was born in Oosterbeeck, in Oland, in Hotel Bildeberg: a very different information. the last meeting of bildeberg group took place two years ago at stresa, in italy. prince of netherland was the president untill 1976, when he must leave the president because of the Lockheed scandal. the same year david rockefeller, member of trilateral commission, became the president of bildeberg group.those are the information that everyone can find in google.
the second half of this article seems very un-neutral Vroman
The External liks section is out of control. Just because a piece of text mentions the Bildeberger Group does not mean we should include it here. This list needs to be culled and formatted into a readable, usable resource. — Ringbang 13:05, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
If the Bilderberg Group does not formally exist, has no letterhead, bank account, office depot account et cetera, how can it have a chairman? I understand that there is some kind of organization and the best name for it is the "Bilderberg Group," but forgive my obviousness when I say that the article is less than fully explanatory. Paul 04:56, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
In an attempt to clean up this article, I've created a List of Bilderberg attendees page. The idea is to remove the long lists of attendees, and the attendent list of references, to a separate page. Thus far I have moved 'EU Commissioners'. In this way, I hope the main article can focus on the nature of the Group, and perhaps a few key members, leaving wrangling over detail to an auxiliary list. I guess there may have been up to a thousand attendees by now, many of who are notable in their particular field. However, we cannot list them all in the main article, or it will dwarf the descriptive part of the text. - Crosbiesmith 22:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
"has been depicted" and "Some believe" are rather vague phrases which introduce opinion, without providing attrubution. I think suspicion of Bilderberg attendance is a valid subject for an encyclopedia, as that is the overwhelmingly popular opinion, but such opinions must be attributed to some notable source. Crosbiesmith 14:23, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
www.bilderberg.org is a partisan website. It's not particularly attractively presented. Particularly unfortunate is its use of a little animated swastika graphic. That looks bad. On the other hand, if someone is interested in the Bilderberg group, there's tons of information to interest them there. I don't think it's appropriate as a reference or a source, but I do think it's useful as an external link, for someone seeking further information. Particularly useful, are the annual lists of Bilderberg attendees. These aren't sourced, but based on the limited official sources available, they do seem to be accurate. Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Partisan_websites does not rule out the use of partisan sources, but that's beside the point. I'm not proposing this as a source, only as a potential site of interest to the reader. I would like to restore this link after its removal by User:JJay. Does anyone have any other comments? - Crosbiesmith 15:27, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
The 'Bilderberg Group' carries all kinds of conspiratorial connotations, and no-group self-identifies themselves as such. On the other hand, there is an annual event known as the 'Bilderberg Meeting', which even issues press releases on occasion [1]. In the interests of accuracy and credibility, I propose changing the title to Bilderberg Meeting. - Crosbiesmith 23:06, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
In 'Declared purpose', it is write "The location of their annual meeting is not secret". So, where takes place the annual meeting ?
Soz for me butting in, but shouldnt we be worried about this???
Are they the well-known masters of deception that run and control world governments as we know it?
Nope. This really is pointless as well, because if they were so secretive how would we know about it? Also, are the Illuminati that well known? I once was asked if my title meant I was a member of the 'Illuminarti' (and that's no typo). TaylorSAllen 01:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
What if they're just really bad at keeping secrets? Look, I'm not going to point out a conspiracy theory here. I'm not sure if there's any real significance to the Bilderberg Group, at least in terms of the New World Order and all that stuff. Doesn't it maybe just seem slightly awkward though that the contents of the meetings are kept entirely secret? I understand that there is tons of information which is kept classified that we don't know about. However, it's different when you have so many prominent figures attending the meeting. We don't know anything about their purpose and the attendees are told to keep quiet. It makes it seem even more suspicious when they get extremely pissed off for even stepping one inch onto the property outside of where the meeting is being held. What on earth are they afraid of? Why do they need so many police to keep guard when almost no one knows what's going on inside of the building? The meetings are not well known. It's not a well known huge event like the super bowl that should require tons of security. These are just things to think about. It doesn't mean "OMG THIS IS PROOF OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER AND AN AGENCY TO CONTROL GLOBAL DOMINATION." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.51.145 ( talk) 18:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
The annual meeting moves between Europe and North America routinely (in 2005, it was in Europe; this year, 2006 it is in North America, specifically Canada).
I did some editing to this article because I noticed then news item (today) that the meeting was being held this weekend.
Also, is there a "conspiracy" that some people are not signing their comments? *giggle* User:ProfessorPaul 19:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Please add this to the article -- Striver 20:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
We can assume that the next meeting (2007) is in Europe.
Any ideas where? When?
Thanks - norm :|
How much 'r tickets?
I have heard that the group might be meeting in North Africa, but I don't trust the Hobo who keeps on falling asleep in my backyard as a source. TaylorSAllen 01:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
The meeting is from May 31 till June 3 in the Ritz Carlton hotel in Istanbul, Turkey
The "Attendees" section seems to indicate that there are three "chairman" for the Group. Is this the case (chairmen or chairs or chairpeople?) or is there an error? Don't know enough to fix it myself.
User:GeorgeC - I think your changes to the article introduction have introduced point-of-view. In particular, the text states that Bilderberg is a group which circumvents democratic process. Unless this is the group's declared aim, this remains a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact. I also think the text comes close to using weasel words. The text states 'Numerous theories abound', 'Allegedly, they have an office', and 'the meeting is said to have occurred', without stating who propounds these theories, who alleges, or who says. These claims require at least an attribution or, better still, a referenced attribution. I believe these changes cause the article to fall short of the required quality standards, and I will be reverting these shortly. Other people may wish to comment on these changes. Regards, Crosbiesmith 18:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the list of links in see also is way to long. However, I don't want to remove any of infoavour of others before we've discussed it here. So thats the question I pose: which should stay, which can go? Martijn Hoekstra 06:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
People seem to be using this article to show their own opinions of the controversial figures associated with the organisation. Prince Bernhard was shown as an 'ex-SS officer' (he was in the RAF, never the SS). It wasn't the only disagreement between this page and even other Wikipedia Biography pages. Alot of these people are living persons, so maybe we should be more careful with it. TaylorSAllen 01:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
According to the wiki article on Prince Bernhard, he was part of the "honorary German Reiter SS Corps" and his brother supported the Nazi's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.195.190 ( talk) 02:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Surely the point is this;
it is not just a discussion, an agenda is set and a truth created. There is thus a coordinated programme of dissemination between the media, business, science and politics.
The necessity of a programme, the truth of an idea is created by it's iteration.
Political policies (like the identity registration programme) are justified by the international inevitability. The policy is laundered.
It is discussed at Bilderburg, agreed at the G8. Each of the governments says that they must have it because the other ones are having it. They are 'powerless' the future is inevitable, it is 'progress', there is no scope for democratic debate.
The 'perception management' has already been created, the rebuttals of oponents have already been anticipated and rejoinders created, the financial opportunities have been analysed and aportioned.
The idea that we are supposed to take these disccusions on trust is clearly ridiculous. But, the notion is spread that it would be ridiculous to question that these powerful people could even be considering creating situations to their profit and circumventing democracy, procedural rules, corporate compliance or even the most basic form of oversight.
It is the creation of a Guild of International Governance. It is an example of an elite democratic method in which an oligarchy rules for the benefit of all (in their minds) which just happens to be in their own interests (as they - the best of the best can tell that they are the best of the best, everyone else must be inferior and do what they are told).
194.112.59.242 01:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I have a Dutch reliable source for the claim/fact that the CIA heavily funded the Group. Author: Gerard Aalders. Anyone got an English one ? — Xiutwel (talk) 18:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Your contributions to the Bilderberg Group and List of Bilderberg attendees articles may prove to be very useful. However, you have not provided any sources. Without reliable sources, your contributions may need to be deleted. Can you provide sources please? Thanks, - Crosbiesmith 18:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Hillary Clinton did indeed attend the Bilderberg conference and the year she attended was in fact 1997. She didn't appear on the official press release but she was at the meeting. At the bottom of the External links on the Bilberberg attendees list, the link to the article Pataki Joins Bilderberg's Conclave mentions that Hillary Clinton attended a past Bilderberg conference. That specific conference was held in 1997. Therefore, her name should be added to the list of attendees. Damian Thorne 10:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
For confirmation of the year 1997, a much better link is at [2] The article mentioning her attendance is "Bilderberg Meets in Georgia-Parascope Article" by Charles Overbeck - Damian Thorne 12:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
politicians who have attended past meetings were also never on the official attendee list. Yet, they were at the conferences. Case in point-Dominique de Villepin at the 2003 conference. The same can be said of Hillary Clinton. She still merits inclusion on the list of Bilderberg attendees. - Damian Thorne 12:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the list of Hotels is a bit much. It should either be merged with the list of locations, or removed. I'll remove it in due course. It isn't even sourced. - Crosbiesmith 19:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Undoubtely there are people that would call the Bilderberg Group leader of the NWO. However, The Group itself would not confirm this, yet its the conclusion of investigators like Daniel Estulin and others. With proper citations and attributions this fits very well in the article. An edit war doesn't help too much. As the meeting of this group is no conspiracy theory and has actually happened, references are very essential to improve the quality of the article and rebut allegations about conspiracy.-- Lord Chao 16:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
2007-10-31T00:00:04 IamMcLovin (Talk | contribs) m (17,458 bytes) (Reverted 1 edit by Congruence; Google videos of some alex jones videos doesn't count as a "credible source". using TW) (undo)
The Alex Jones video is not supposed to be credible - it stands on its own. It's under the "critics" section. It is there to present an opposing view and ensure NPOV. Alex Jones also meets criteria for notability since he is a well-known conspiracy theorist. Also, most of the talk around Bilderberg revolves around conspiracy theories. Therefore the link is perfectly reasonable and called for. -- Congruence 22:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
What's the deal with Agostinelli? Why is 83.244.142.2 and Wallstreetjournaloutlook insistingly removing him from the paragraph on attendees? I checked the contributions made from 83.244.142.2. They seem to come from some kind of PR firm. -- Congruence ( talk) 23:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
That 83.244.142.2 is insistingly removing that material. I'd suggest blocking. -- Congruence ( talk) 15:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
You're absolutely right. I fell into the reftrap (see a ref, assume it's good). Martijn Hoekstra ( talk) 19:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
We currently have an 'Origin and purpose section' and a 'purpose' section. The Purpose section seems to repeat material from the 'Origin and purpose section'. Furthermore, it gives no references. I'm going to remove it. - Crosbiesmith ( talk) 10:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
The article gives too much weight to individual conspiracy theories. It is worth mentioning the existence of theories - the fame of Bilderberg may be due to them. The views of particular individuals are not notable. The theories of Daniel Estulin get a whole paragraph. As they are unverifiable, they tell us nothing useful about Bilderberg. This material belongs in the Daniel Estulin article, not here. I will cut this down in due course - Crosbiesmith ( talk) 16:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
I cut down the Estulin material slightly. There is more to do. Incidentally, I think the BBC News quote from Jonathan Duffy is also overlong. He goes on to say:
The Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, the London nail-bomber David Copeland and Osama Bin Laden are all said to have bought into the theory that Bilderberg pulls the strings with which national governments dance.
He doesn't attribute these claims to anyone. They don't add much to the article either. - Crosbiesmith ( talk) 10:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
First, it seems that no criticisms of the Bilderberg Group have been allowed to appear in this article unless labeled as "conspiracy theories". There are plenty of publicly aired criticisms that cannot fairly be labeled as such, but apparently no discussion of them is to be allowed here. Further, it is irresponsible to classify something as a "conspiracy theory" unless it is verifiable that it is such. By common understanding, a "conspiracy theory" is not merely a theory that postulates a nefarious conspiracy, but one that has no objective grounding. Personally, I am not a fan of anti-Bilderberg "conspiracy theories", but the presentation here is biased, not only with respect to the examples mentioned but in the way that all criticism of Bilderberg is excluded.˜˜˜˜ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.197.218.34 ( talk) 09:48, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
The following quote is included in the article:
We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. ... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during these years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government which will never again know war but only peace and prosperity for the whole of humanity.
This is not a verifiable quotation.
The reference given is: Grigg, William (2003-02-10). "Behind the Bias". The New American. 19 (3). Appleton, WI: American Opinion Publishing. Retrieved 2008-01-29.
The New American is the official publication of the John Birch Society. The author of the article, William Norman Grigg, describes the source of the quotation as follows:
Excerpts from Rockefeller’s opening address were leaked to two independent French publications. They then came to the attention of Hilaire du Berrier, an international correspondent living in Monaco, who published them in his newsletter, HduB Reports.
Bilderberg meetings do not publish their minutes. This quotation is necessarily unverifiable unless an attendee goes on record as having heard it spoken. As it is, the source here is based on two unnamed French publications, which must themselves rely on a necessarily unverifiable leak.
At the very least, the French publications should be named here. I will remove this quotation in due course. - Crosbiesmith ( talk) 09:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
User:Bombastus - I take your point that the front cover of the report cannot be verified. However adding 'allegedly' does not fix things as it does not explain who is making an allegation - see Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words. The correct things to do would to either:
- Crosbiesmith ( talk) 06:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Please remember that Wikipedia is based on verifiable, reliable sources, and not original research. When reports about the 2008 meeting (before or after it occurs) appear in reliable sources, please feel free to add them to the article. Speculation from uninformed sources is not usable. I removed the most recent version, which was sourced to (1) a newspaper blog which merely reprinted a post from "Prison Planet", a fringe source, and (2) a press release from the Netherlands Embassy which does not mention the Bilderberg meeting at all (speculation about the purpose of the Dutch PM's visit is, of course, not appropriate for Wikipedia). -- MCB ( talk) 17:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
The more I read the present article, the more I wonder whether it was an inspiration for the Council of Lincoln as portrayed in Icon (novel) by Frederick Forsyth. Has anyone heard of this possibility, and should it be mentioned? JFW | T@lk 15:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I restored the {{ Conspiracy theories}} template that was removed in a recent edit. Looking at the template, this is clearly an appropriate article for it, in that like Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, and the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group is a common subject of New World Order conspiracy theories. -- MCB ( talk) 22:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
The following quote currently appears in the 'Conspiracy Theories' section:
From "The Hunt for Red Menace:" "The views on intractable godless communism expressed by [Fred] Schwarz were central themes in three other bestselling books which were used to mobilize support for the 1964 Goldwater campaign. The best known was Phyllis Schlafly's A Choice, Not an Echo which suggested a conspiracy theory in which the Republican Party was secretly controlled by elitist intellectuals dominated by members of the Bilderberger group, whose policies would pave the way for global communist conquest. Schlafly's husband Fred had been a lecturer at Schwartz's local Christian Anti-communism Crusade conferences."
This lengthy quote appears without any context, rendering it incomprehensible. I will remove it in due course. - Crosbiesmith ( talk) 20:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
The 'Mainstream Criticism' section consists of the views of some unspecified critics and some unspecified attendees. This adds nothing to the article and should be removed. - Crosbiesmith ( talk) 20:15, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of James P Tucker Jr. Big Jim Tucker who has spent over 30 years following and exposing this secretive group.
Also there is no mention of the huge state backed security operation, by the country hosting the meeting. This alone indicates the importance of attendees, and so their influence on this planet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.219.185 ( talk • contribs)
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I'm inclined to removed the 'Meetings' section from the article on the basis that Wikipedia is not a directory. I appreciate some editors have taken trouble formatting this list, but that doesn't affect its appropriateness here. As the policy says, 'an article is a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject', and the details of all fifty-four conferences does not belong in a summary. There may be another appropriate place for this information within Wikipedia, though I cannot think of one myself. Very few readers can be interested to learn that the 1972 conference took place in Belgium, let alone that it was hosted at La Reserve di Knokke-Heist - Crosbiesmith ( talk) 19:44, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
The sourced meetings should be kept, and more should be added if sources appear. Coverage on Bilderberg is so limited that all decent sources, especially press releases coming from the meetings themselves, need to maintained. Otherwise, delete. In the future, I have no problem with a long list forked off into a separate page, if all meetings are sourced. Meetings do give a hint into the geopolitics and would be interesting to some researchers and for historical background. II | ( t - c) 00:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
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Corrected the number invited to 137, it has since been reverted to "around 130" by Crosbiesmith ?. Added the word conspiracy to the http://www.bilderberg.org link. Omeganumber
Removed the last sentence from the Declared Purpose, as it was not related to said section and is discussed later.
Can anyone tell if this tag is still valid? if so, what should still be done. If there is no reply in two weeks (before april 25) I will delete the tag altogether Martijn Hoekstra 19:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for my style of formulation (which was corrected meanwhile by others) as I tried to complement that paragraph.
-- 84.137.112.205 04:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)Lammerstraat@t-online.de (newcomer)
Hmm, something I do not understand (technically): I only opended the discussion here, added my remark above, furthermore looked up the history (but didn´t change nothing in the article) - but then, when I went back to the article (or even opended it again later) m y old sentence stood there again (including that type-error "whome"). That was not my intention, I tried (several times) to replace it by the the newer version (from the history) again; hope it works now.
-- 84.137.112.205 04:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)Lammerstraat@t-online.de
The folllowing is written from a highly critical perspective.
The 2003 Bilderberg meeting in Versailles conveniently merged into the G8 meeting of finance ministers in Paris, a 20-minute car ride from Versailles, on May 19. The procedure is traditional: what happens in the Bilderberg is usually a preview of what is later discussed at the full G8 gathering, scheduled in 2003 for June 1 to 3 at Evian-les-Bains in the French Alps.
On Bilderberg's first full 2003 working day on May 15, 2003, French President Jacques Chirac delivered a welcoming speech, trying to bury the bitter divisions among the guests over the war on Iraq by emphasizing that the US and Western Europe are longtime allies. But Chirac's gracious hosting may not have been enough to soothe the hawks in the US administration still miffed at "pacifist" France.
An influential Jewish European banker reveals that the ruling elite in Europe is now telling their minions that the West is on the brink of total financial meltdown; so the only way to save their precious investments is to bet on the new global crisis centered around the Middle East, which replaced the crisis evolving around the Cold War.
According to a banking source in the City of London connected to Versailles, what has transpired from the 2003 meeting is that American and European Bilderbergers have not exactly managed to control their split over the American invasion and occupation of Iraq, as well as over Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's hardline policy against the Palestinians.
Europe's elite were opposed to an American invasion of Iraq since the 2002 Bilderberg meeting in Chantilly, Virginia. Rumsfeld himself had promised them it wouldn't happen. Last week, everybody struck back at Rumsfeld, asking about the infamous " weapons of mass destruction". Most of Europe's elite do not believe American promises that Iraq's oil will "benefit the Iraqi people". They know that revenues from Iraqi oil will be used to rebuild what America has bombed. And the debate is still raging on what kind of contracts which rewarded Bechtel and Halliburton Energy Services will "benefit" Western Europe.
Europe's elite, according to those close to Bilderberg, are suspicious that the US does not need or even want a stable, legitimate central government in Iraq. When that happens, there will be no reason for the US to remain in the country. Europe's elite see the US establishing "facts on the ground": establishing a long-term military presence and getting the oil flowing again under American control. This could go on for years, as long as the Americans can guarantee enough essential services to prevent the Iraqi people from engaging in a war of national liberation.
It was also extremely hard at the Versailles meeting to forge a consensus on the necessity of a European Union army totally independent of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). The US establishment, of course, is against the EU army. But so are some Europeans, starting with anti-army cheerleader Lord Robertson, NATO's secretary general. Europe's elite can't stand US domination of NATO any more. Some Europeans suggest a separate force, but controlled by NATO. Americans argue that a separate EU force would dissolve NATO's role as the UN's world army. And Americans insist that NATO is no longer confined to the defense of Europe: its troops now could go anywhere in the world, directed or not by the UN Security Council. The impasse remains.
All these crucial developments were discussed behind closed doors. The Trianon Palace Hotel in Versailles was closed to the public. Part-time employees were sent home. The ones who remained were told that they would be fired if caught revealing anything about the meeting. Armed guards completely isolated and cordoned off the hotel. Some members of the American corporate press attended - but the public will never know about it: Bilderberg news is not fit to print - or broadcast. No journalists from any media controlled by Bilderberg multinational tycoons such as Rupert Murdoch were or will be allowed to report it.
oooh, do we have insider here? Mr. Rockefeller is that you? —Preceding
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Moved here:
Not relevant. -- Viajero 11:40, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Anybody know of an official, or non-critical website? According to the article, the agenda is not secret, so it's known, published exactly how?
Is Attendees [...] try to magnify their political clout NPoV? Andy Mabbett 21:06, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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This group ("Bildenbergers") was (from about fifteen until ten years ago especially) the subject of constant clamouring on American right wing talk radio about how it was nothing less than a cabal which secretly ruled the world. In recent years, this seems to have diminshed as a topic for discussion, at least on programmes that I have heard. (Perhaps because much of the discussion seemed so patently ridiculous, perhaps because its most ardent opponents also seemed rife with Anti-Semitism – it was all the worse because it was somehow a Jewish cabal.) I don't know how to incorporate this within the body of the article without it seeming hopelessly POV, even though the fact is not that these sort of charges have merit, but that they were relentlessly discussed is undeniable. I would like to see someone try to handle this.
Rlquall 12:06, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
-- TheReverendDoom 17:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Bilderberg would necessarily be anti-conspiracy because it is known. Much is known about this group and the fact that it has a name at all shows that it isn't secret. By contrast, a group that sought secrecy would have no formal organization. My guess is that Bilderberg meets at hotels because its members would like the freedom to speak their minds without offending their weekend host. The price they pay is some media attention, but we would all be remiss if we believed that this known group was somehow more harmful than the potentially thousands of groups not known to the American and European publics. Watch "Remains of the Day" again and you will see everything that's right with Bilderberg.
First, it seems that no criticisms of the Bilderberg Group have been allowed to appear in this article unless labeled as "conspiracy theories". There are plenty of publicly aired criticisms that cannot fairly be labeled as such, but apparently no discussion of them is to be allowed here. Further, it is irresponsible to classify something as a "conspiracy theory" unless it is verifiable that it is such. By common understanding, a "conspiracy theory" is not merely a theory that postulates a nefarious conspiracy, but one that has no objective grounding. Personally, I am not a fan of anti-Bilderberg "conspiracy theories", but the presentation here is biased, not only with respect to the examples mentioned but in the way that all criticism of Bilderberg is excluded.˜˜˜˜ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.197.218.34 ( talk) 09:49, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Here are the problems that I have with your ( Event Horizion's) edits:
Please respond within a day or two, or I will revert it again. -- Scott eiπ 23:03, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
many sites that you can find google, tell that bilderberg group was born in Oosterbeeck, in Oland, in Hotel Bildeberg: a very different information. the last meeting of bildeberg group took place two years ago at stresa, in italy. prince of netherland was the president untill 1976, when he must leave the president because of the Lockheed scandal. the same year david rockefeller, member of trilateral commission, became the president of bildeberg group.those are the information that everyone can find in google.
the second half of this article seems very un-neutral Vroman
The External liks section is out of control. Just because a piece of text mentions the Bildeberger Group does not mean we should include it here. This list needs to be culled and formatted into a readable, usable resource. — Ringbang 13:05, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
If the Bilderberg Group does not formally exist, has no letterhead, bank account, office depot account et cetera, how can it have a chairman? I understand that there is some kind of organization and the best name for it is the "Bilderberg Group," but forgive my obviousness when I say that the article is less than fully explanatory. Paul 04:56, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
In an attempt to clean up this article, I've created a List of Bilderberg attendees page. The idea is to remove the long lists of attendees, and the attendent list of references, to a separate page. Thus far I have moved 'EU Commissioners'. In this way, I hope the main article can focus on the nature of the Group, and perhaps a few key members, leaving wrangling over detail to an auxiliary list. I guess there may have been up to a thousand attendees by now, many of who are notable in their particular field. However, we cannot list them all in the main article, or it will dwarf the descriptive part of the text. - Crosbiesmith 22:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
"has been depicted" and "Some believe" are rather vague phrases which introduce opinion, without providing attrubution. I think suspicion of Bilderberg attendance is a valid subject for an encyclopedia, as that is the overwhelmingly popular opinion, but such opinions must be attributed to some notable source. Crosbiesmith 14:23, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
www.bilderberg.org is a partisan website. It's not particularly attractively presented. Particularly unfortunate is its use of a little animated swastika graphic. That looks bad. On the other hand, if someone is interested in the Bilderberg group, there's tons of information to interest them there. I don't think it's appropriate as a reference or a source, but I do think it's useful as an external link, for someone seeking further information. Particularly useful, are the annual lists of Bilderberg attendees. These aren't sourced, but based on the limited official sources available, they do seem to be accurate. Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Partisan_websites does not rule out the use of partisan sources, but that's beside the point. I'm not proposing this as a source, only as a potential site of interest to the reader. I would like to restore this link after its removal by User:JJay. Does anyone have any other comments? - Crosbiesmith 15:27, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
The 'Bilderberg Group' carries all kinds of conspiratorial connotations, and no-group self-identifies themselves as such. On the other hand, there is an annual event known as the 'Bilderberg Meeting', which even issues press releases on occasion [1]. In the interests of accuracy and credibility, I propose changing the title to Bilderberg Meeting. - Crosbiesmith 23:06, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
In 'Declared purpose', it is write "The location of their annual meeting is not secret". So, where takes place the annual meeting ?
Soz for me butting in, but shouldnt we be worried about this???
Are they the well-known masters of deception that run and control world governments as we know it?
Nope. This really is pointless as well, because if they were so secretive how would we know about it? Also, are the Illuminati that well known? I once was asked if my title meant I was a member of the 'Illuminarti' (and that's no typo). TaylorSAllen 01:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
What if they're just really bad at keeping secrets? Look, I'm not going to point out a conspiracy theory here. I'm not sure if there's any real significance to the Bilderberg Group, at least in terms of the New World Order and all that stuff. Doesn't it maybe just seem slightly awkward though that the contents of the meetings are kept entirely secret? I understand that there is tons of information which is kept classified that we don't know about. However, it's different when you have so many prominent figures attending the meeting. We don't know anything about their purpose and the attendees are told to keep quiet. It makes it seem even more suspicious when they get extremely pissed off for even stepping one inch onto the property outside of where the meeting is being held. What on earth are they afraid of? Why do they need so many police to keep guard when almost no one knows what's going on inside of the building? The meetings are not well known. It's not a well known huge event like the super bowl that should require tons of security. These are just things to think about. It doesn't mean "OMG THIS IS PROOF OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER AND AN AGENCY TO CONTROL GLOBAL DOMINATION." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.51.145 ( talk) 18:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
The annual meeting moves between Europe and North America routinely (in 2005, it was in Europe; this year, 2006 it is in North America, specifically Canada).
I did some editing to this article because I noticed then news item (today) that the meeting was being held this weekend.
Also, is there a "conspiracy" that some people are not signing their comments? *giggle* User:ProfessorPaul 19:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Please add this to the article -- Striver 20:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
We can assume that the next meeting (2007) is in Europe.
Any ideas where? When?
Thanks - norm :|
How much 'r tickets?
I have heard that the group might be meeting in North Africa, but I don't trust the Hobo who keeps on falling asleep in my backyard as a source. TaylorSAllen 01:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
The meeting is from May 31 till June 3 in the Ritz Carlton hotel in Istanbul, Turkey
The "Attendees" section seems to indicate that there are three "chairman" for the Group. Is this the case (chairmen or chairs or chairpeople?) or is there an error? Don't know enough to fix it myself.
User:GeorgeC - I think your changes to the article introduction have introduced point-of-view. In particular, the text states that Bilderberg is a group which circumvents democratic process. Unless this is the group's declared aim, this remains a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact. I also think the text comes close to using weasel words. The text states 'Numerous theories abound', 'Allegedly, they have an office', and 'the meeting is said to have occurred', without stating who propounds these theories, who alleges, or who says. These claims require at least an attribution or, better still, a referenced attribution. I believe these changes cause the article to fall short of the required quality standards, and I will be reverting these shortly. Other people may wish to comment on these changes. Regards, Crosbiesmith 18:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the list of links in see also is way to long. However, I don't want to remove any of infoavour of others before we've discussed it here. So thats the question I pose: which should stay, which can go? Martijn Hoekstra 06:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
People seem to be using this article to show their own opinions of the controversial figures associated with the organisation. Prince Bernhard was shown as an 'ex-SS officer' (he was in the RAF, never the SS). It wasn't the only disagreement between this page and even other Wikipedia Biography pages. Alot of these people are living persons, so maybe we should be more careful with it. TaylorSAllen 01:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
According to the wiki article on Prince Bernhard, he was part of the "honorary German Reiter SS Corps" and his brother supported the Nazi's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.195.190 ( talk) 02:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Surely the point is this;
it is not just a discussion, an agenda is set and a truth created. There is thus a coordinated programme of dissemination between the media, business, science and politics.
The necessity of a programme, the truth of an idea is created by it's iteration.
Political policies (like the identity registration programme) are justified by the international inevitability. The policy is laundered.
It is discussed at Bilderburg, agreed at the G8. Each of the governments says that they must have it because the other ones are having it. They are 'powerless' the future is inevitable, it is 'progress', there is no scope for democratic debate.
The 'perception management' has already been created, the rebuttals of oponents have already been anticipated and rejoinders created, the financial opportunities have been analysed and aportioned.
The idea that we are supposed to take these disccusions on trust is clearly ridiculous. But, the notion is spread that it would be ridiculous to question that these powerful people could even be considering creating situations to their profit and circumventing democracy, procedural rules, corporate compliance or even the most basic form of oversight.
It is the creation of a Guild of International Governance. It is an example of an elite democratic method in which an oligarchy rules for the benefit of all (in their minds) which just happens to be in their own interests (as they - the best of the best can tell that they are the best of the best, everyone else must be inferior and do what they are told).
194.112.59.242 01:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I have a Dutch reliable source for the claim/fact that the CIA heavily funded the Group. Author: Gerard Aalders. Anyone got an English one ? — Xiutwel (talk) 18:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Your contributions to the Bilderberg Group and List of Bilderberg attendees articles may prove to be very useful. However, you have not provided any sources. Without reliable sources, your contributions may need to be deleted. Can you provide sources please? Thanks, - Crosbiesmith 18:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Hillary Clinton did indeed attend the Bilderberg conference and the year she attended was in fact 1997. She didn't appear on the official press release but she was at the meeting. At the bottom of the External links on the Bilberberg attendees list, the link to the article Pataki Joins Bilderberg's Conclave mentions that Hillary Clinton attended a past Bilderberg conference. That specific conference was held in 1997. Therefore, her name should be added to the list of attendees. Damian Thorne 10:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
For confirmation of the year 1997, a much better link is at [2] The article mentioning her attendance is "Bilderberg Meets in Georgia-Parascope Article" by Charles Overbeck - Damian Thorne 12:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
politicians who have attended past meetings were also never on the official attendee list. Yet, they were at the conferences. Case in point-Dominique de Villepin at the 2003 conference. The same can be said of Hillary Clinton. She still merits inclusion on the list of Bilderberg attendees. - Damian Thorne 12:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I think the list of Hotels is a bit much. It should either be merged with the list of locations, or removed. I'll remove it in due course. It isn't even sourced. - Crosbiesmith 19:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Undoubtely there are people that would call the Bilderberg Group leader of the NWO. However, The Group itself would not confirm this, yet its the conclusion of investigators like Daniel Estulin and others. With proper citations and attributions this fits very well in the article. An edit war doesn't help too much. As the meeting of this group is no conspiracy theory and has actually happened, references are very essential to improve the quality of the article and rebut allegations about conspiracy.-- Lord Chao 16:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
2007-10-31T00:00:04 IamMcLovin (Talk | contribs) m (17,458 bytes) (Reverted 1 edit by Congruence; Google videos of some alex jones videos doesn't count as a "credible source". using TW) (undo)
The Alex Jones video is not supposed to be credible - it stands on its own. It's under the "critics" section. It is there to present an opposing view and ensure NPOV. Alex Jones also meets criteria for notability since he is a well-known conspiracy theorist. Also, most of the talk around Bilderberg revolves around conspiracy theories. Therefore the link is perfectly reasonable and called for. -- Congruence 22:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
What's the deal with Agostinelli? Why is 83.244.142.2 and Wallstreetjournaloutlook insistingly removing him from the paragraph on attendees? I checked the contributions made from 83.244.142.2. They seem to come from some kind of PR firm. -- Congruence ( talk) 23:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
That 83.244.142.2 is insistingly removing that material. I'd suggest blocking. -- Congruence ( talk) 15:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
You're absolutely right. I fell into the reftrap (see a ref, assume it's good). Martijn Hoekstra ( talk) 19:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
We currently have an 'Origin and purpose section' and a 'purpose' section. The Purpose section seems to repeat material from the 'Origin and purpose section'. Furthermore, it gives no references. I'm going to remove it. - Crosbiesmith ( talk) 10:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
The article gives too much weight to individual conspiracy theories. It is worth mentioning the existence of theories - the fame of Bilderberg may be due to them. The views of particular individuals are not notable. The theories of Daniel Estulin get a whole paragraph. As they are unverifiable, they tell us nothing useful about Bilderberg. This material belongs in the Daniel Estulin article, not here. I will cut this down in due course - Crosbiesmith ( talk) 16:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
I cut down the Estulin material slightly. There is more to do. Incidentally, I think the BBC News quote from Jonathan Duffy is also overlong. He goes on to say:
The Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh, the London nail-bomber David Copeland and Osama Bin Laden are all said to have bought into the theory that Bilderberg pulls the strings with which national governments dance.
He doesn't attribute these claims to anyone. They don't add much to the article either. - Crosbiesmith ( talk) 10:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
First, it seems that no criticisms of the Bilderberg Group have been allowed to appear in this article unless labeled as "conspiracy theories". There are plenty of publicly aired criticisms that cannot fairly be labeled as such, but apparently no discussion of them is to be allowed here. Further, it is irresponsible to classify something as a "conspiracy theory" unless it is verifiable that it is such. By common understanding, a "conspiracy theory" is not merely a theory that postulates a nefarious conspiracy, but one that has no objective grounding. Personally, I am not a fan of anti-Bilderberg "conspiracy theories", but the presentation here is biased, not only with respect to the examples mentioned but in the way that all criticism of Bilderberg is excluded.˜˜˜˜ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.197.218.34 ( talk) 09:48, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
The following quote is included in the article:
We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. ... It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during these years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government which will never again know war but only peace and prosperity for the whole of humanity.
This is not a verifiable quotation.
The reference given is: Grigg, William (2003-02-10). "Behind the Bias". The New American. 19 (3). Appleton, WI: American Opinion Publishing. Retrieved 2008-01-29.
The New American is the official publication of the John Birch Society. The author of the article, William Norman Grigg, describes the source of the quotation as follows:
Excerpts from Rockefeller’s opening address were leaked to two independent French publications. They then came to the attention of Hilaire du Berrier, an international correspondent living in Monaco, who published them in his newsletter, HduB Reports.
Bilderberg meetings do not publish their minutes. This quotation is necessarily unverifiable unless an attendee goes on record as having heard it spoken. As it is, the source here is based on two unnamed French publications, which must themselves rely on a necessarily unverifiable leak.
At the very least, the French publications should be named here. I will remove this quotation in due course. - Crosbiesmith ( talk) 09:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
User:Bombastus - I take your point that the front cover of the report cannot be verified. However adding 'allegedly' does not fix things as it does not explain who is making an allegation - see Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words. The correct things to do would to either:
- Crosbiesmith ( talk) 06:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Please remember that Wikipedia is based on verifiable, reliable sources, and not original research. When reports about the 2008 meeting (before or after it occurs) appear in reliable sources, please feel free to add them to the article. Speculation from uninformed sources is not usable. I removed the most recent version, which was sourced to (1) a newspaper blog which merely reprinted a post from "Prison Planet", a fringe source, and (2) a press release from the Netherlands Embassy which does not mention the Bilderberg meeting at all (speculation about the purpose of the Dutch PM's visit is, of course, not appropriate for Wikipedia). -- MCB ( talk) 17:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
The more I read the present article, the more I wonder whether it was an inspiration for the Council of Lincoln as portrayed in Icon (novel) by Frederick Forsyth. Has anyone heard of this possibility, and should it be mentioned? JFW | T@lk 15:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I restored the {{ Conspiracy theories}} template that was removed in a recent edit. Looking at the template, this is clearly an appropriate article for it, in that like Bohemian Grove, Skull and Bones, and the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group is a common subject of New World Order conspiracy theories. -- MCB ( talk) 22:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
The following quote currently appears in the 'Conspiracy Theories' section:
From "The Hunt for Red Menace:" "The views on intractable godless communism expressed by [Fred] Schwarz were central themes in three other bestselling books which were used to mobilize support for the 1964 Goldwater campaign. The best known was Phyllis Schlafly's A Choice, Not an Echo which suggested a conspiracy theory in which the Republican Party was secretly controlled by elitist intellectuals dominated by members of the Bilderberger group, whose policies would pave the way for global communist conquest. Schlafly's husband Fred had been a lecturer at Schwartz's local Christian Anti-communism Crusade conferences."
This lengthy quote appears without any context, rendering it incomprehensible. I will remove it in due course. - Crosbiesmith ( talk) 20:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
The 'Mainstream Criticism' section consists of the views of some unspecified critics and some unspecified attendees. This adds nothing to the article and should be removed. - Crosbiesmith ( talk) 20:15, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of James P Tucker Jr. Big Jim Tucker who has spent over 30 years following and exposing this secretive group.
Also there is no mention of the huge state backed security operation, by the country hosting the meeting. This alone indicates the importance of attendees, and so their influence on this planet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.219.185 ( talk • contribs)
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I'm inclined to removed the 'Meetings' section from the article on the basis that Wikipedia is not a directory. I appreciate some editors have taken trouble formatting this list, but that doesn't affect its appropriateness here. As the policy says, 'an article is a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject', and the details of all fifty-four conferences does not belong in a summary. There may be another appropriate place for this information within Wikipedia, though I cannot think of one myself. Very few readers can be interested to learn that the 1972 conference took place in Belgium, let alone that it was hosted at La Reserve di Knokke-Heist - Crosbiesmith ( talk) 19:44, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
The sourced meetings should be kept, and more should be added if sources appear. Coverage on Bilderberg is so limited that all decent sources, especially press releases coming from the meetings themselves, need to maintained. Otherwise, delete. In the future, I have no problem with a long list forked off into a separate page, if all meetings are sourced. Meetings do give a hint into the geopolitics and would be interesting to some researchers and for historical background. II | ( t - c) 00:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)