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Would it be possible to use the new logo for BB21 instead of a promotional image? Jayab314 17:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Jayab314: I have no objections. TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:29, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Jessica is approximately 38 years old. She was in the Lane Tech High School class of 1999. Scroll down this page a little bit and there's a picture of her and she's tagged in a post. https://b-m.facebook.com/Lane-Tech-High-School-Class-of-1999-10-Year-Reunion-60314896107/ 216.67.8.23 ( talk) 08:17, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
I was considering uploading an image from the house, just having trouble deciding which would be the best image. I was mostly thinking either this one or this one but if anyone thinks a different one would be better suited there are more images here and here. Thoughts. TheDoctorWho (talk) 20:28, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Will we not be having the house guests and their color coded status in the sidebar at the top of the page like previous years? Andrewc248 ( talk) 22:54, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
@ TheDoctorWho and Alucard 16: If we get news of an eviction on Day 1 or 2 on the premiere tonight, but don't actually know who is evicted until tomorrow, would it be safe to put David down as evicted tonight? Jayab314 14:12, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
@ TheDoctorWho: Big Brother just tweeted about the feed leak here. Jayab314 20:49, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
So although not an eviction four people are going out by a sole vote to banish, we'll probably need to discuss an voting history table to represent this. I'll draft something up real quick and drop it here to see what people think. TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:03, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
@ 9March2019 and Jayab314: Alright, sorry it took me so long. Please note the names in the table below are just an example because we don't know for sure who was banished. Assuming it was David is WP:OR This is what I propose as the voting history table:
Week 1 | Week 2 | Week 3 | Week 4 | Week 5 | Week 6 | Week 7 | Week 8 | Week 9 | Week 10 | Week 11 | Week 12 | Week 13 | |||||||
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Day 1 | Day 15 | Day 99 | Finale | ||||||||||||||||
Head of Household | (none) | Christie | (none) | ||||||||||||||||
Nominations (pre-veto) |
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Veto Winner | (none) | ||||||||||||||||||
Nominations (post-veto) |
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Analyse | Jessica | No voting |
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Christie | Jackson | No voting |
Head of Household |
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Cliff | Jackson | Banished (Day 1) |
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Holly | Jackson | No voting |
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Isabella | Jackson | No voting |
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Jack | Jackson | No voting |
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Jackson | Jack | Camp Director | |||||||||||||||||
Jessica | Nick | Banished (Day 1) |
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Kathryn | Jessica | No voting |
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Kemi | Jessica | No voting |
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Nick | Jackson | No voting |
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Nicole | Jackson | No voting |
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Ovi | Jackson | No voting |
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Sam | Jackson | No voting |
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Tommy | Jackson | Banished (Day 1) |
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David | Jackson | Banished (Day 1) | |||||||||||||||||
Notes | 1 | 2, 3 | 4 | ||||||||||||||||
Evicted | Jackson 10 of 16 votes to elect |
Cliff, David, Jessica, Tommy Jackson's choice to banish |
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Cliff, Jessica, Tommy Won re-entry into game |
Thoughts? TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:00, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Week 1 | Week 2 | Week 3 | Week 4 | Week 5 | Week 6 | Week 7 | Week 8 | Week 9 | Week 10 | Week 11 | Week 12 | Week 13 | ||||
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Day 1 | Day ? | Day ? | Day 99 | Finale | ||||||||||||
Head of Household | (none) | (none) | Christie | (none) | ||||||||||||
Nominations (pre-veto) |
Cliff David Jessica Tommy |
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Veto Winner | (none) | (none) | ||||||||||||||
Nominations (post-veto) |
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Analyse | Jessica | No voting |
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Christie | Jackson | No voting |
Head of Household | |||||||||||||
Cliff | Jackson | Banished | ||||||||||||||
Holly | Jackson | No voting |
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Isabella | Jackson | No voting |
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Jack | Jackson | No voting |
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Jackson | Jack | Camp Director | ||||||||||||||
Jessica | Nick | Banished | ||||||||||||||
Kathryn | Jessica | No voting |
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Kemi | Jessica | No voting |
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Nick | Jackson | No voting |
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Nicole | Jackson | No voting |
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Ovi | Jackson | No voting |
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Sam | Jackson | No voting |
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Tommy | Jackson | Banished | ||||||||||||||
David | Jackson | Banished | Evicted (Day ?) | |||||||||||||
Notes | 1 | 2 | 3 | |||||||||||||
Evicted | Jackson 10 of 16 votes to elect |
David Evicted by competition |
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NintendoGeek (
talk)
03:10, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Week 1 | Week 2 | Week 3 | Week 4 | Week 5 | Week 6 | Week 7 | Week 8 | Week 9 | Week 10 | Week 11 | Week 12 | Week 13 | |||||||
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Day 1 | Day 15 | Day 99 | Finale | ||||||||||||||||
Head of Household | (none) | Christie | (none) | ||||||||||||||||
Nominations (pre-veto) |
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Veto Winner | (none) | ||||||||||||||||||
Nominations (post-veto) |
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Analyse | Jessica | No voting |
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Christie | Jackson | No voting |
Head of Household |
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Cliff | Jackson | Banished (Day 1) |
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Holly | Jackson | No voting |
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Isabella | Jackson | No voting |
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Jack | Jackson | No voting |
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Jackson | Jack | Camp Director | |||||||||||||||||
Jessica | Nick | Banished (Day 1) |
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Kathryn | Jessica | No voting |
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Kemi | Jessica | No voting |
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Nick | Jackson | No voting |
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Nicole | Jackson | No voting |
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Ovi | Jackson | No voting |
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Sam | Jackson | No voting |
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Tommy | Jackson | Banished (Day 1) |
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David | Jackson | Banished (Day 1) | |||||||||||||||||
Notes | 1 | 2, 3 | 4 | ||||||||||||||||
Banished | Jackson 10 of 16 votes to elect |
Cliff, David, Jessica, Tommy |
(None) | ||||||||||||||||
Evicted | (None) | ||||||||||||||||||
Re-entry's | Cliff, Jessica, Tommy |
(None) |
@ NintendoGeek, 9March2019, and Jayab314: Here's another alternative, specifically to Jayab314 this caters to your concern of a cluttered evicted column. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:22, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
For now, I have added the first chart which has more support based on logical arguments, the only disagreers on that only had
WP:IDONTLIKEIT-type arguments: I don't think "banished" should be considered the same thing as "evicted". Yes, that was the word used in season one, but it makes no sense for them to suddenly return to that term
and Just seems very cluttered at the bottom in my opinion.
, etc. So until a wider more-official consensus can be reached the one with wider support at the time was added. I'll leave a message on the Wikiproject talk page in hope to get more discussion.
TheDoctorWho
(talk)
05:15, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Also left notes at MOS:TV and WP:TV in hope to get more participants to the discussion. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:19, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Week 1 | Week 2 | Week 3 | Week 4 | Week 5 | Week 6 | Week 7 | Week 8 | Week 9 | Week 10 | Week 11 | Week 12 | Week 13 | ||||
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Day 1 | Day 2 | Day 15 | Day 99 | Finale | ||||||||||||
Head of Household | (none) | Christie | (none) | |||||||||||||
Nominations (pre-veto) |
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Veto Winner | (none) | |||||||||||||||
Nominations (post-veto) |
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Analyse | Jessica | No voting |
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Christie | Jackson | No voting |
Head of Household | |||||||||||||
Cliff | Jackson | Banished (Day 2) |
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Holly | Jackson | No voting |
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Isabella | Jackson | No voting |
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Jack | Jackson | No voting |
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Jackson | Jack | Camp Director | ||||||||||||||
Jessica | Nick | Banished (Day 2) |
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Kathryn | Jessica | No voting |
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Kemi | Jessica | No voting |
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Nick | Jackson | No voting |
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Nicole | Jackson | No voting |
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Ovi | Jackson | No voting |
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Sam | Jackson | No voting |
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Tommy | Jackson | Banished (Day 2) |
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David | Jackson | Banished (Day 2) |
Evicted (Day 2) | |||||||||||||
Notes | 1 | 2 | 3 | |||||||||||||
Evicted | Jackson 10 of 16 votes to elect |
David Evicted by competition |
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I'm starting to think again on my choice here. Julie said as soon as he makes his decision the competitors will be "out of the game"... TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:09, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
See again, she said "fight to get back in". It's my understanding that once a houseguest is banished they're officially out until they win their way back in. I'm starting to lean back towards the first table? TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:15, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
"You four have been banished from the Big Brother house and ARE NO LONGER IN THE GAME" - Julie Chen TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:18, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Jayab314: well to be specific they are. Are you saying that with a battle back when a HouseGuest they are still in the game until they battle their way back five episodes later? This is no different TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:19, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
The first table looks stupid - the players know that they can re-enter the game (as opposed to a regular eviction), so it essentially like being nominated. It's not evicted and re-entered. The second table looks less stupid.
I believe this discussion is necessary now that Template:Infobox reality competition season has replaced the traditional Big Brother sidebar on articles. This change thus altered the HouseGuests table that is featured on each article, adding more information and thus taking up more space. Previously, the cast picture would feature on the right of the table, and this was no issue because the table did not have enough information where they would conflict. However, now that the table has a lot more information and takes up a lot of room, this constricts the table and does not look pleasant. I propose moving the cast photo to the bottom of the table, both on the 21st season's article and all other Big Brother season articles where a cast photo and HGs table are featured. Big Brother 20 shows what the cast photo on the bottom would look like. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 20:27, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
While I don't believe a valid, long standing consensus can be established in less than 3 hours by 3 editors I'm not reverting this change unless there is a wider consensus to do so although I just had every right to do so because the fair use rationales for each image did not match the article they were being used on which caused a bot to remove them all. Even though I am against moving these images to the list of houseguest pages I went back and cleaned up the issue.
In general when moving a copyrighted image that requires a non-free use rationale aka FUR from one article to another it is paramount to update the respective FUR on the image in accordance with WP:NFCC. English Wikipedia currently has measures in place to ensure that implementation and enforcement of this policy is adhered to. One of the measures is JJMC89 bot which is tasked with checking the FUR on each image matches its corresponding article. If the bot finds an image where the FUR does not match the name of the article it is intended to be used on ( WP:NFCC#7) or has an invalid rationale that doesn't meet WP:NFCC#10c and WP:NFCC#9 it will remove the image from the article and leave the reason why in the edit summary.
Once JJMC89 bot has removed an image another bot ( B-bot) will tag orphan non-free images for deletion. Once this tag is applied to an image an admin can delete the image anytime after a period of 7 days in accordance with policy. B-bot only notifies the original up loader that the (now-orphaned) image will be deleted not the editor who move the image to another page.
I managed to catch this in time and fixed the FURs on all 20 images (BB14 cast doesn't have an image) and restored the respective images back to their respective "List of Big Brother # (American season) houseguests" pages. B-bot at this point only tagged 2 images which would have been deleted after July 6th. In theory if I had wanted to I could have just restored all the cast photos back to the main articles and used the reasoning for invalid FUR as justification. I'm not sure who went ahead and moved all the images as I wasn't paying attention but please in general, in the future when you move a copyrighted image with a FUR from one article to another update its FUR otherwise the image could possibly be deleted. Alucard 16 ❯❯❯ chat? 20:28, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Jayab314: Stop reverting the image used in the infobox. This image CBS is using everywhere except in the broadcast episodes is not the official logo. It is a logo their advertising department creates to market the show. The logo that is used on the episodes themselves is the official logo. In any case this image you keep insisting on using does not adhere to MOS:TVIMAGE which clearly states "For season articles, a season-specific promotional poster or home media cover should be used, or possibly a season-specific title card if one exists." Since a season specific title card exists and is not a duplicate of the title card used for Seasons 16-20 as per guidelines it should be used instead. If you feel the image from the press release should be used and there is a valid reason to override MOS:TVIMAGE then discuss it here. Alucard 16 ❯❯❯ chat? 02:36, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
@ TheDoctorWho, Alucard 16, and 9March2019: Should we start a Controversy section? Multiple news sites have written about Jackson's "racist and ageist" banishment selections and Jack's racist remarks. (see here, here, and here) Jayab314 02:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
More articles have been written (see here, here, and here) Jayab314 23:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Another thing to point out is the allegations could turn out to be completely false (innocent verdict) or just insufficient to prove them true (not guilty verdict). The former was the case in BB17, when Jeff was accused of sexually harassing Julia when that was revealed to be false, while the latter may end up being the case for alleged discriminatory banishments by Jackson. Point is, don't be so quick to believe every source out there. 9March2019 ( talk) 14:36, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Although now that I'm looking at it, thoughts on this: [2], [3], [4]??? TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:40, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Jackson's decisions as Camp Director and the name of the first HoH competition should be under critical reception. Jack's actions however should be under controversy also we need to ensure they are written from a neutral point of view. We don't need to include every derogatory comment that Jack has made only a few notable examples at best. Alucard 16 ❯❯❯ chat? 04:15, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Are we going to include the whacktivity comp winner in the voting history table? NintendoGeek ( talk) 01:12, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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Would it be possible to use the new logo for BB21 instead of a promotional image? Jayab314 17:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Jayab314: I have no objections. TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:29, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Jessica is approximately 38 years old. She was in the Lane Tech High School class of 1999. Scroll down this page a little bit and there's a picture of her and she's tagged in a post. https://b-m.facebook.com/Lane-Tech-High-School-Class-of-1999-10-Year-Reunion-60314896107/ 216.67.8.23 ( talk) 08:17, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
I was considering uploading an image from the house, just having trouble deciding which would be the best image. I was mostly thinking either this one or this one but if anyone thinks a different one would be better suited there are more images here and here. Thoughts. TheDoctorWho (talk) 20:28, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Will we not be having the house guests and their color coded status in the sidebar at the top of the page like previous years? Andrewc248 ( talk) 22:54, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
@ TheDoctorWho and Alucard 16: If we get news of an eviction on Day 1 or 2 on the premiere tonight, but don't actually know who is evicted until tomorrow, would it be safe to put David down as evicted tonight? Jayab314 14:12, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
@ TheDoctorWho: Big Brother just tweeted about the feed leak here. Jayab314 20:49, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
So although not an eviction four people are going out by a sole vote to banish, we'll probably need to discuss an voting history table to represent this. I'll draft something up real quick and drop it here to see what people think. TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:03, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
@ 9March2019 and Jayab314: Alright, sorry it took me so long. Please note the names in the table below are just an example because we don't know for sure who was banished. Assuming it was David is WP:OR This is what I propose as the voting history table:
Week 1 | Week 2 | Week 3 | Week 4 | Week 5 | Week 6 | Week 7 | Week 8 | Week 9 | Week 10 | Week 11 | Week 12 | Week 13 | |||||||
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Day 1 | Day 15 | Day 99 | Finale | ||||||||||||||||
Head of Household | (none) | Christie | (none) | ||||||||||||||||
Nominations (pre-veto) |
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Veto Winner | (none) | ||||||||||||||||||
Nominations (post-veto) |
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Analyse | Jessica | No voting |
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Christie | Jackson | No voting |
Head of Household |
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Cliff | Jackson | Banished (Day 1) |
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Holly | Jackson | No voting |
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Isabella | Jackson | No voting |
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Jack | Jackson | No voting |
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Jackson | Jack | Camp Director | |||||||||||||||||
Jessica | Nick | Banished (Day 1) |
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Kathryn | Jessica | No voting |
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Kemi | Jessica | No voting |
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Nick | Jackson | No voting |
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Nicole | Jackson | No voting |
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Ovi | Jackson | No voting |
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Sam | Jackson | No voting |
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Tommy | Jackson | Banished (Day 1) |
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David | Jackson | Banished (Day 1) | |||||||||||||||||
Notes | 1 | 2, 3 | 4 | ||||||||||||||||
Evicted | Jackson 10 of 16 votes to elect |
Cliff, David, Jessica, Tommy Jackson's choice to banish |
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Cliff, Jessica, Tommy Won re-entry into game |
Thoughts? TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:00, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Week 1 | Week 2 | Week 3 | Week 4 | Week 5 | Week 6 | Week 7 | Week 8 | Week 9 | Week 10 | Week 11 | Week 12 | Week 13 | ||||
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Day 1 | Day ? | Day ? | Day 99 | Finale | ||||||||||||
Head of Household | (none) | (none) | Christie | (none) | ||||||||||||
Nominations (pre-veto) |
Cliff David Jessica Tommy |
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Veto Winner | (none) | (none) | ||||||||||||||
Nominations (post-veto) |
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Analyse | Jessica | No voting |
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Christie | Jackson | No voting |
Head of Household | |||||||||||||
Cliff | Jackson | Banished | ||||||||||||||
Holly | Jackson | No voting |
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Isabella | Jackson | No voting |
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Jack | Jackson | No voting |
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Jackson | Jack | Camp Director | ||||||||||||||
Jessica | Nick | Banished | ||||||||||||||
Kathryn | Jessica | No voting |
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Kemi | Jessica | No voting |
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Nick | Jackson | No voting |
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Nicole | Jackson | No voting |
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Ovi | Jackson | No voting |
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Sam | Jackson | No voting |
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Tommy | Jackson | Banished | ||||||||||||||
David | Jackson | Banished | Evicted (Day ?) | |||||||||||||
Notes | 1 | 2 | 3 | |||||||||||||
Evicted | Jackson 10 of 16 votes to elect |
David Evicted by competition |
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NintendoGeek (
talk)
03:10, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Week 1 | Week 2 | Week 3 | Week 4 | Week 5 | Week 6 | Week 7 | Week 8 | Week 9 | Week 10 | Week 11 | Week 12 | Week 13 | |||||||
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Day 1 | Day 15 | Day 99 | Finale | ||||||||||||||||
Head of Household | (none) | Christie | (none) | ||||||||||||||||
Nominations (pre-veto) |
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Veto Winner | (none) | ||||||||||||||||||
Nominations (post-veto) |
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Analyse | Jessica | No voting |
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Christie | Jackson | No voting |
Head of Household |
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Cliff | Jackson | Banished (Day 1) |
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Holly | Jackson | No voting |
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Isabella | Jackson | No voting |
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Jack | Jackson | No voting |
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Jackson | Jack | Camp Director | |||||||||||||||||
Jessica | Nick | Banished (Day 1) |
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Kathryn | Jessica | No voting |
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Kemi | Jessica | No voting |
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Nick | Jackson | No voting |
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Nicole | Jackson | No voting |
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Ovi | Jackson | No voting |
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Sam | Jackson | No voting |
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Tommy | Jackson | Banished (Day 1) |
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David | Jackson | Banished (Day 1) | |||||||||||||||||
Notes | 1 | 2, 3 | 4 | ||||||||||||||||
Banished | Jackson 10 of 16 votes to elect |
Cliff, David, Jessica, Tommy |
(None) | ||||||||||||||||
Evicted | (None) | ||||||||||||||||||
Re-entry's | Cliff, Jessica, Tommy |
(None) |
@ NintendoGeek, 9March2019, and Jayab314: Here's another alternative, specifically to Jayab314 this caters to your concern of a cluttered evicted column. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:22, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
For now, I have added the first chart which has more support based on logical arguments, the only disagreers on that only had
WP:IDONTLIKEIT-type arguments: I don't think "banished" should be considered the same thing as "evicted". Yes, that was the word used in season one, but it makes no sense for them to suddenly return to that term
and Just seems very cluttered at the bottom in my opinion.
, etc. So until a wider more-official consensus can be reached the one with wider support at the time was added. I'll leave a message on the Wikiproject talk page in hope to get more discussion.
TheDoctorWho
(talk)
05:15, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Also left notes at MOS:TV and WP:TV in hope to get more participants to the discussion. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:19, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Week 1 | Week 2 | Week 3 | Week 4 | Week 5 | Week 6 | Week 7 | Week 8 | Week 9 | Week 10 | Week 11 | Week 12 | Week 13 | ||||
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Day 1 | Day 2 | Day 15 | Day 99 | Finale | ||||||||||||
Head of Household | (none) | Christie | (none) | |||||||||||||
Nominations (pre-veto) |
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Veto Winner | (none) | |||||||||||||||
Nominations (post-veto) |
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Analyse | Jessica | No voting |
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Christie | Jackson | No voting |
Head of Household | |||||||||||||
Cliff | Jackson | Banished (Day 2) |
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Holly | Jackson | No voting |
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Isabella | Jackson | No voting |
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Jack | Jackson | No voting |
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Jackson | Jack | Camp Director | ||||||||||||||
Jessica | Nick | Banished (Day 2) |
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Kathryn | Jessica | No voting |
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Kemi | Jessica | No voting |
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Nick | Jackson | No voting |
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Nicole | Jackson | No voting |
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Ovi | Jackson | No voting |
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Sam | Jackson | No voting |
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Tommy | Jackson | Banished (Day 2) |
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David | Jackson | Banished (Day 2) |
Evicted (Day 2) | |||||||||||||
Notes | 1 | 2 | 3 | |||||||||||||
Evicted | Jackson 10 of 16 votes to elect |
David Evicted by competition |
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I'm starting to think again on my choice here. Julie said as soon as he makes his decision the competitors will be "out of the game"... TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:09, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
See again, she said "fight to get back in". It's my understanding that once a houseguest is banished they're officially out until they win their way back in. I'm starting to lean back towards the first table? TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:15, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
"You four have been banished from the Big Brother house and ARE NO LONGER IN THE GAME" - Julie Chen TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:18, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Jayab314: well to be specific they are. Are you saying that with a battle back when a HouseGuest they are still in the game until they battle their way back five episodes later? This is no different TheDoctorWho (talk) 00:19, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
The first table looks stupid - the players know that they can re-enter the game (as opposed to a regular eviction), so it essentially like being nominated. It's not evicted and re-entered. The second table looks less stupid.
I believe this discussion is necessary now that Template:Infobox reality competition season has replaced the traditional Big Brother sidebar on articles. This change thus altered the HouseGuests table that is featured on each article, adding more information and thus taking up more space. Previously, the cast picture would feature on the right of the table, and this was no issue because the table did not have enough information where they would conflict. However, now that the table has a lot more information and takes up a lot of room, this constricts the table and does not look pleasant. I propose moving the cast photo to the bottom of the table, both on the 21st season's article and all other Big Brother season articles where a cast photo and HGs table are featured. Big Brother 20 shows what the cast photo on the bottom would look like. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 20:27, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
While I don't believe a valid, long standing consensus can be established in less than 3 hours by 3 editors I'm not reverting this change unless there is a wider consensus to do so although I just had every right to do so because the fair use rationales for each image did not match the article they were being used on which caused a bot to remove them all. Even though I am against moving these images to the list of houseguest pages I went back and cleaned up the issue.
In general when moving a copyrighted image that requires a non-free use rationale aka FUR from one article to another it is paramount to update the respective FUR on the image in accordance with WP:NFCC. English Wikipedia currently has measures in place to ensure that implementation and enforcement of this policy is adhered to. One of the measures is JJMC89 bot which is tasked with checking the FUR on each image matches its corresponding article. If the bot finds an image where the FUR does not match the name of the article it is intended to be used on ( WP:NFCC#7) or has an invalid rationale that doesn't meet WP:NFCC#10c and WP:NFCC#9 it will remove the image from the article and leave the reason why in the edit summary.
Once JJMC89 bot has removed an image another bot ( B-bot) will tag orphan non-free images for deletion. Once this tag is applied to an image an admin can delete the image anytime after a period of 7 days in accordance with policy. B-bot only notifies the original up loader that the (now-orphaned) image will be deleted not the editor who move the image to another page.
I managed to catch this in time and fixed the FURs on all 20 images (BB14 cast doesn't have an image) and restored the respective images back to their respective "List of Big Brother # (American season) houseguests" pages. B-bot at this point only tagged 2 images which would have been deleted after July 6th. In theory if I had wanted to I could have just restored all the cast photos back to the main articles and used the reasoning for invalid FUR as justification. I'm not sure who went ahead and moved all the images as I wasn't paying attention but please in general, in the future when you move a copyrighted image with a FUR from one article to another update its FUR otherwise the image could possibly be deleted. Alucard 16 ❯❯❯ chat? 20:28, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Jayab314: Stop reverting the image used in the infobox. This image CBS is using everywhere except in the broadcast episodes is not the official logo. It is a logo their advertising department creates to market the show. The logo that is used on the episodes themselves is the official logo. In any case this image you keep insisting on using does not adhere to MOS:TVIMAGE which clearly states "For season articles, a season-specific promotional poster or home media cover should be used, or possibly a season-specific title card if one exists." Since a season specific title card exists and is not a duplicate of the title card used for Seasons 16-20 as per guidelines it should be used instead. If you feel the image from the press release should be used and there is a valid reason to override MOS:TVIMAGE then discuss it here. Alucard 16 ❯❯❯ chat? 02:36, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
@ TheDoctorWho, Alucard 16, and 9March2019: Should we start a Controversy section? Multiple news sites have written about Jackson's "racist and ageist" banishment selections and Jack's racist remarks. (see here, here, and here) Jayab314 02:02, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
More articles have been written (see here, here, and here) Jayab314 23:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Another thing to point out is the allegations could turn out to be completely false (innocent verdict) or just insufficient to prove them true (not guilty verdict). The former was the case in BB17, when Jeff was accused of sexually harassing Julia when that was revealed to be false, while the latter may end up being the case for alleged discriminatory banishments by Jackson. Point is, don't be so quick to believe every source out there. 9March2019 ( talk) 14:36, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Although now that I'm looking at it, thoughts on this: [2], [3], [4]??? TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:40, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Jackson's decisions as Camp Director and the name of the first HoH competition should be under critical reception. Jack's actions however should be under controversy also we need to ensure they are written from a neutral point of view. We don't need to include every derogatory comment that Jack has made only a few notable examples at best. Alucard 16 ❯❯❯ chat? 04:15, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Are we going to include the whacktivity comp winner in the voting history table? NintendoGeek ( talk) 01:12, 1 July 2019 (UTC)