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The
Bike carrier page lacks information regarding bike rack finishes, mounts, and other information that has been presented in the article titled
Bike racks.
User:bollarion did not duplicate any of the information on the page that existed since November 2006, but merely offers more detail on the subject. The
Bike racks page also makes references to the disambiguation page and the three other related pages, therefore does not ignore anything that
User:AndrewDressel claims it to be. Would the
User:AndrewDressel be more comfortable if this page was renamed to "Commercial bike racks" since the other related pages focus more on portable bike carriers rather than commercial bike racks? The
bike carrier page does not offer enough information on bike racks for it to be the only article on the topic.
Wait a sec. The above post by Bollarion mentions the
bike carrier article twice, about devices on vehicles for carrying bikes, but that is not the merger proposed. Instead, the proposed merger is with
bike stand. Perhaps it is just a typo. In any case:
That an article lacks information is a reason to add that information, not create a new, separate article.
The discussion to which I refer relates to the name of the articles, not their content.
Changing the name of the new article to "Commercial bike racks" would not address any of the issues. I don't see anything in the
Bicycle stand article that is about "portable bike carriers rather than commercial bike racks." Perhaps there really is no typo in the posting above.
Again, a current lack of content is not a reason to create a new article, nor a reason not to merge two articles that cover the same topic.
First I'd like to thank
Bollarion for the well written and referenced article s/he has done. It's definitely a contribution to wikipedia, and I'd say a subject that is important to cyclists. As for the naming issue I have to agree with
AndrewDressel overall. It's not appropriate to have 2 articles covering the same topic (even if the exact content is different) with minorly different names. They should be merged. Pluralising the article does not clarify the content, nor does "Commercial bike racks" help to differentiate from
bike stand,
bicycle carrier, and
luggage carrier. While the present names are not ideal, they are better than the "bike racks" or "Commercial bike racks", so I'd like to merge to "Bicycle stand", but I'm open to talking about other names, if that's important to others. Andrew, where is the discussion you mention above, I'd be interested to take a look at it. Do you think there's room for improvement? --
Keithonearth (
talk)
04:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)reply
Keith, thanks for joining in the discussion and for pointing out the good work of Bollarion. Perhaps if I had started with that, s/he would have been more open to the merger. I hope to do better next time. As for the discussion, it occured between me and
Markus Kuhn back in late December 2007 right after he split the single "bike rack" article into three separate articles and gave them the current names. He argued that these were the official names according to some standards body. I had to provide references just to get "bike rack" added as a synonym in the lede of each of the new articles. It seemed silly to me at the time, but I had to concede that it was better than three articles with the same name. I can no longer find any particular discussion on a single page, sorry, but you can still see scraps of our disagreement in the edit histories. -
AndrewDressel (
talk)
13:08, 10 September 2009 (UTC)reply
Oppose There are multiple devices and topics to be covered. Bicycle stand best describes a device for holding up a single bicycle for workshop repair and maintenance as the phrase seems to be most often used by sources in this way. Bicycle rack describes communal facilities for storing multiple bicycles though the phrase is commonly also used for a bicycle carrier on a vehicle. Perhaps we should separate the topics by function:
Your point about the ambiguity of the terms seems valid to me
Colonel Warden, but it does seem to be a different issue than the one under discussion. The fact that the subject matter of the
Bike racks and
Bicycle stand articles is the same. They Should be merged, irrespective of what the title of the article is called. If you would like to talk about renaming the article lets do that
here. As I said above, I am open to talking about renaming the articles, but please don't obstruct the merge because the name is ambiguous.--
Keithonearth (
talk)
23:17, 12 September 2009 (UTC)reply
Support The new article
bike racks has generally better words, better organization, poorer pictures, and the wrong name. We should put the new words, mostly, with the old photos under the old name
bicycle stand. And then look for better photos in Commons. As for the old articles about storage, carriage, repairing, selling etc, those ought to remain separate as our buddy Colonel says and nobody dissents.
Jim.henderson (
talk)
03:53, 15 September 2009 (UTC)reply
There are 3 different pictures of the serpentine type rack. I am going to swap two of them out with some of the images available on the commons for the sake of variety. I am leaving my reasoning here since this is a fairly major edit to this article. — Preceding
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The
Bike carrier page lacks information regarding bike rack finishes, mounts, and other information that has been presented in the article titled
Bike racks.
User:bollarion did not duplicate any of the information on the page that existed since November 2006, but merely offers more detail on the subject. The
Bike racks page also makes references to the disambiguation page and the three other related pages, therefore does not ignore anything that
User:AndrewDressel claims it to be. Would the
User:AndrewDressel be more comfortable if this page was renamed to "Commercial bike racks" since the other related pages focus more on portable bike carriers rather than commercial bike racks? The
bike carrier page does not offer enough information on bike racks for it to be the only article on the topic.
Wait a sec. The above post by Bollarion mentions the
bike carrier article twice, about devices on vehicles for carrying bikes, but that is not the merger proposed. Instead, the proposed merger is with
bike stand. Perhaps it is just a typo. In any case:
That an article lacks information is a reason to add that information, not create a new, separate article.
The discussion to which I refer relates to the name of the articles, not their content.
Changing the name of the new article to "Commercial bike racks" would not address any of the issues. I don't see anything in the
Bicycle stand article that is about "portable bike carriers rather than commercial bike racks." Perhaps there really is no typo in the posting above.
Again, a current lack of content is not a reason to create a new article, nor a reason not to merge two articles that cover the same topic.
First I'd like to thank
Bollarion for the well written and referenced article s/he has done. It's definitely a contribution to wikipedia, and I'd say a subject that is important to cyclists. As for the naming issue I have to agree with
AndrewDressel overall. It's not appropriate to have 2 articles covering the same topic (even if the exact content is different) with minorly different names. They should be merged. Pluralising the article does not clarify the content, nor does "Commercial bike racks" help to differentiate from
bike stand,
bicycle carrier, and
luggage carrier. While the present names are not ideal, they are better than the "bike racks" or "Commercial bike racks", so I'd like to merge to "Bicycle stand", but I'm open to talking about other names, if that's important to others. Andrew, where is the discussion you mention above, I'd be interested to take a look at it. Do you think there's room for improvement? --
Keithonearth (
talk)
04:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)reply
Keith, thanks for joining in the discussion and for pointing out the good work of Bollarion. Perhaps if I had started with that, s/he would have been more open to the merger. I hope to do better next time. As for the discussion, it occured between me and
Markus Kuhn back in late December 2007 right after he split the single "bike rack" article into three separate articles and gave them the current names. He argued that these were the official names according to some standards body. I had to provide references just to get "bike rack" added as a synonym in the lede of each of the new articles. It seemed silly to me at the time, but I had to concede that it was better than three articles with the same name. I can no longer find any particular discussion on a single page, sorry, but you can still see scraps of our disagreement in the edit histories. -
AndrewDressel (
talk)
13:08, 10 September 2009 (UTC)reply
Oppose There are multiple devices and topics to be covered. Bicycle stand best describes a device for holding up a single bicycle for workshop repair and maintenance as the phrase seems to be most often used by sources in this way. Bicycle rack describes communal facilities for storing multiple bicycles though the phrase is commonly also used for a bicycle carrier on a vehicle. Perhaps we should separate the topics by function:
Your point about the ambiguity of the terms seems valid to me
Colonel Warden, but it does seem to be a different issue than the one under discussion. The fact that the subject matter of the
Bike racks and
Bicycle stand articles is the same. They Should be merged, irrespective of what the title of the article is called. If you would like to talk about renaming the article lets do that
here. As I said above, I am open to talking about renaming the articles, but please don't obstruct the merge because the name is ambiguous.--
Keithonearth (
talk)
23:17, 12 September 2009 (UTC)reply
Support The new article
bike racks has generally better words, better organization, poorer pictures, and the wrong name. We should put the new words, mostly, with the old photos under the old name
bicycle stand. And then look for better photos in Commons. As for the old articles about storage, carriage, repairing, selling etc, those ought to remain separate as our buddy Colonel says and nobody dissents.
Jim.henderson (
talk)
03:53, 15 September 2009 (UTC)reply
There are 3 different pictures of the serpentine type rack. I am going to swap two of them out with some of the images available on the commons for the sake of variety. I am leaving my reasoning here since this is a fairly major edit to this article. — Preceding
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