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Hi, I don't think that changing homophobia Anti LGBT position seems better. His words are clearly printed and he calls himself a homophob. So, I'd like to request and change the title of the controversy back. Cheers Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 11:04, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
I agree that anti-LGBT position is probably a better section title (it effectively says the same thing anyway). By the way Settleman, I am rather disturbed to see that you accused me of being a pro-Israel editor here. Although I now occasionally attempt to fight the tide of pro-Palestinian editors when their nonsense appears on my watchlist, I spent my first few years on Wikipedia battling against pro-Israel trolls (to the extent that several Israeli editors attempted to stop me becoming an admin). Please remove your accusation. Number 5 7 09:27, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Both had to be removed due to ref 18 being an opinion paper from the the guardian. Even if the claims could be proved, an opinion paper is not a valid source for a Wikipedia article, and just removing the source wouldn't be enough, since then they would just be unclaimed statements.17:58, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Wasn't aware, also, meant to sign the comment. Though, this article isn't about the conflict it is about an Israeli politician, if admins thought this came under the Israeli/Palestinian topic range, wouldn't they lock the page? Finally, my point was fair, it did violate Wikipedia rules to use a opinion source twice to make claims. User:ShimonChai 07:20, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
So this makes it okay for you to still implement opinion sources? Also, it seems like you are trying to prevent people from make sure Wikipedia remains NPOV, and free from opinion. ShimonChai ( talk) 07:43, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
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The article currently mentions his Ukrainian Jewish ancestry tracing to the town of Smotrych. In this speech, Smotrich mentions some more details on his family from Europe and also says that his grandfather Shimon was a 13th generation native of Jerusalem. IMO this info, especially the fact that he is of centuries-long Old Yishuv descent, is relevant and should be included. Problem is I so far haven't been able to find a source. This video is clearly him speaking but I don't know if a YouTube video from a non-official account cuts it, especially since the Hebrew title of the video is mocking Smotrich's shaky English. Anyone have any input? If someone can find a source on his grandfather it would be really helpful.-- RM ( Be my friend) 23:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm really confused as to why Smotrich is labeled far right but the Meretz party leader Zehava Galon is not labelled far left. I don't think there is any difference between them in regards to their positions on the political spectrum 185.182.71.29 ( talk) 00:58, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
As a staunch ideological opponent of Smotrich, I have to not that this is not a good and informative article.
This article, in its near entirety, reads like the Controversies section featured on most politician articles. The very introduction of the article features details that are trivial in their significance to Smotrich's overall history, such as his homophobic comment on pride parades ("worse than bestiality"'), his comment on the Nakba ("Ben Gurion should've finished the job") and the legality of Kedumim. All of these demonstrate important aspects of his far-right views, but the use of highly specific examples here is not similar to anything I've seen on a politician's article.
It's very clearly done to immediately present Smotrich in a negative light to the reader rather than to inform them about the basic facts that should be featured in an article introduction. Imagine if the introduction section of Donald Trump's article would feature his "grab them by the pussy" quote, or Jair Bolsonaro's introduction feature his "30,000" quote instead of laying out the key points of their history. Such details belong in a Controversies or Views section within the article, not in the introduction.
Subsequentially, most of the article goes on to detail exclusively points that demonstrate Smortich's far-right views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and social matters rather than listing the major events and legislation concerning him. Sure, the controversial aspects of Smotrich (and there are plenty) deserve a fair share of the article, but they shouldn't be prioritized above the most basic historical facts concerning him: his political campaigns and lists he participated in, the massive legislations he orchestrated in the different ministries, etc. The intention of the article be, first and foremost, to inform the reader about the basic facts rather than stick to trivial details. Zohariko1234 ( talk) 20:41, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
I'd never heard of this guy and I don't want to get sucked into the wikidrama rabbit hole that comes from editing this type of article, but I recently came across this which claims that Smotrich's proposals have public support in Israel and are in fact being implemented in the current Israel-Hamas war. I leave it to the regulars whether it should be included in the wiki article. 2601:644:8501:AAF0:0:0:0:6375 ( talk) 21:04, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
I reverted the addition of "Israeli occupied" to his birthplace in the infobox, as it seems unnecessary (and being added to make a point). I am not aware that this is done for other people born in occupied territory in the region (for example, Mohammed Dahlan's birthplace is listed as "Gaza Strip", not "Egyptian-occupied Gaza Strip" (which would be equally unnecessary/pointy). Number 5 7 13:26, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
How should Smotrich's birthplace be listed in the infobox?
Number 5 7 18:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
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Smotrich, now finance minister; but here a terror suspect, after 2006 arrest by Shin Bet for plotting attack
https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2024/02/06/us-treasury-sanctions-settlers-ngos-facilitating-terrorism/ 2601:444:300:B070:3953:C3B8:2CE3:57C3 ( talk) 15:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
As Mondoweiss should not be used for BLP, I would like to remove it and cited content (for the latter). Is someone opposed? FortunateSons ( talk) 09:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
This article is extremely politically biased. It spreads hatred of a living person and should not be allowed in Wikipedia under the pretense of being an informative entry. 87.68.136.72 ( talk) 23:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
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Bezalel Smotrich makes a court appearance as a Shin Bet security prisoner in 2005, when he was detained on suspicion of plotting attacks to prevent the evacuation of Jewish settlements in Gaza.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/israel-gaza-hamas-netanyahu-biden-1.7099090
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The article almost doesn't mention that he was a transport minister, except in the info table. Doom777 ( talk) 01:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, I don't think that changing homophobia Anti LGBT position seems better. His words are clearly printed and he calls himself a homophob. So, I'd like to request and change the title of the controversy back. Cheers Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 11:04, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
I agree that anti-LGBT position is probably a better section title (it effectively says the same thing anyway). By the way Settleman, I am rather disturbed to see that you accused me of being a pro-Israel editor here. Although I now occasionally attempt to fight the tide of pro-Palestinian editors when their nonsense appears on my watchlist, I spent my first few years on Wikipedia battling against pro-Israel trolls (to the extent that several Israeli editors attempted to stop me becoming an admin). Please remove your accusation. Number 5 7 09:27, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Both had to be removed due to ref 18 being an opinion paper from the the guardian. Even if the claims could be proved, an opinion paper is not a valid source for a Wikipedia article, and just removing the source wouldn't be enough, since then they would just be unclaimed statements.17:58, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
Wasn't aware, also, meant to sign the comment. Though, this article isn't about the conflict it is about an Israeli politician, if admins thought this came under the Israeli/Palestinian topic range, wouldn't they lock the page? Finally, my point was fair, it did violate Wikipedia rules to use a opinion source twice to make claims. User:ShimonChai 07:20, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
So this makes it okay for you to still implement opinion sources? Also, it seems like you are trying to prevent people from make sure Wikipedia remains NPOV, and free from opinion. ShimonChai ( talk) 07:43, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
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The article currently mentions his Ukrainian Jewish ancestry tracing to the town of Smotrych. In this speech, Smotrich mentions some more details on his family from Europe and also says that his grandfather Shimon was a 13th generation native of Jerusalem. IMO this info, especially the fact that he is of centuries-long Old Yishuv descent, is relevant and should be included. Problem is I so far haven't been able to find a source. This video is clearly him speaking but I don't know if a YouTube video from a non-official account cuts it, especially since the Hebrew title of the video is mocking Smotrich's shaky English. Anyone have any input? If someone can find a source on his grandfather it would be really helpful.-- RM ( Be my friend) 23:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
I'm really confused as to why Smotrich is labeled far right but the Meretz party leader Zehava Galon is not labelled far left. I don't think there is any difference between them in regards to their positions on the political spectrum 185.182.71.29 ( talk) 00:58, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
As a staunch ideological opponent of Smotrich, I have to not that this is not a good and informative article.
This article, in its near entirety, reads like the Controversies section featured on most politician articles. The very introduction of the article features details that are trivial in their significance to Smotrich's overall history, such as his homophobic comment on pride parades ("worse than bestiality"'), his comment on the Nakba ("Ben Gurion should've finished the job") and the legality of Kedumim. All of these demonstrate important aspects of his far-right views, but the use of highly specific examples here is not similar to anything I've seen on a politician's article.
It's very clearly done to immediately present Smotrich in a negative light to the reader rather than to inform them about the basic facts that should be featured in an article introduction. Imagine if the introduction section of Donald Trump's article would feature his "grab them by the pussy" quote, or Jair Bolsonaro's introduction feature his "30,000" quote instead of laying out the key points of their history. Such details belong in a Controversies or Views section within the article, not in the introduction.
Subsequentially, most of the article goes on to detail exclusively points that demonstrate Smortich's far-right views on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and social matters rather than listing the major events and legislation concerning him. Sure, the controversial aspects of Smotrich (and there are plenty) deserve a fair share of the article, but they shouldn't be prioritized above the most basic historical facts concerning him: his political campaigns and lists he participated in, the massive legislations he orchestrated in the different ministries, etc. The intention of the article be, first and foremost, to inform the reader about the basic facts rather than stick to trivial details. Zohariko1234 ( talk) 20:41, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
I'd never heard of this guy and I don't want to get sucked into the wikidrama rabbit hole that comes from editing this type of article, but I recently came across this which claims that Smotrich's proposals have public support in Israel and are in fact being implemented in the current Israel-Hamas war. I leave it to the regulars whether it should be included in the wiki article. 2601:644:8501:AAF0:0:0:0:6375 ( talk) 21:04, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
I reverted the addition of "Israeli occupied" to his birthplace in the infobox, as it seems unnecessary (and being added to make a point). I am not aware that this is done for other people born in occupied territory in the region (for example, Mohammed Dahlan's birthplace is listed as "Gaza Strip", not "Egyptian-occupied Gaza Strip" (which would be equally unnecessary/pointy). Number 5 7 13:26, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
How should Smotrich's birthplace be listed in the infobox?
Number 5 7 18:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
Suggested Edit ... Add Photo
https://i0.wp.com/www.richardsilverstein.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/smotrich-sharper.jpg?ssl=1
Smotrich, now finance minister; but here a terror suspect, after 2006 arrest by Shin Bet for plotting attack
https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2024/02/06/us-treasury-sanctions-settlers-ngos-facilitating-terrorism/ 2601:444:300:B070:3953:C3B8:2CE3:57C3 ( talk) 15:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
As Mondoweiss should not be used for BLP, I would like to remove it and cited content (for the latter). Is someone opposed? FortunateSons ( talk) 09:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
This article is extremely politically biased. It spreads hatred of a living person and should not be allowed in Wikipedia under the pretense of being an informative entry. 87.68.136.72 ( talk) 23:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
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Bezalel Smotrich makes a court appearance as a Shin Bet security prisoner in 2005, when he was detained on suspicion of plotting attacks to prevent the evacuation of Jewish settlements in Gaza.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/israel-gaza-hamas-netanyahu-biden-1.7099090
2601:243:820:2F5E:D447:D70E:206F:4AF2 ( talk) 21:48, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
The article almost doesn't mention that he was a transport minister, except in the info table. Doom777 ( talk) 01:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)