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It gets a lot harder to find news articles online when they're old, so I'll list the current hits from searching bestgore on Yahoo for future reference:
(The above are in order they appear, except for duplicates being moved up, as searched on June 10) Wnt ( talk) 19:20, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
To these Google adds
I use "?=" above because Google seems to lump together more than exact duplicates. The categories with 4 "synonyms" sometimes claim thousands of similar hits, which I didn't pursue. Wnt ( talk) 19:35, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
There should be information about the Anti-semitic and fascist attitude of this website and its owner, holocaust denier Mark Marek, who also condones the mass murder of Anders Behring Breivik, calling it "martyrdom": http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a74_1346182895 - Exemplary, Anti-semitic and racist lecture on http://www.bestgore.com/open-post/jews-multiculturalism-rape/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.78.115.255 ( talk) 12:01, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
The guy that runs this website is a hate-filled anti-Semite. He's also Anti-US (he believes the US is completely run by "Jews"), and loves videos that show American troops getting murdered (they're "ZOGs" - part of the world-wide Zionist conspiracy!). His "criticisms" (more like an extreme Left-Wing psychosis) go far beyond Israel and Palestine and politics in general, to psychotic conspiracy theories where he justifies murder.
Here's a quote from the heartless psycho:
Whether Juba was real or not, and whether he’s one person or a few – nobody knows for sure. All we know is that there was a sniper in Iraq that took out a whole whack of ZOG mercenaries during their occupation of the country. Needless to say, a ZOG mercenary in a body bag is a good ZOG mercenary. All these twinky faggots do is rape children, abuse prisoners and secure trafficking of opiates for the ZOG cartel. It is said Juba sent more than 600 American soldiers home in a bag. This compilation of sniper kills from Iraq claims to show Juba’s work. Whether they’re all Juba’s kills is as debatable as whether Juba existed in the first place. Either way – it’s always a nice sight when a twink folds down like a sack of shit that he was.
http://www.bestgore.com/murder/iraqi-sniper-juba-compilation-kills/
The whole site is a haven for people that are racist, straight-up crazy, death-loving, left-wing crazy, right-wing crazy, etc.
as the two previous posters said, bestgore is soaked with neo-nazism. you cant go a few steps without falling over ZOG, zionists etc etc. for reference, here ar a few quotes: "Antifaschistische Aktion (Antifa) are an extension of Zionism, bred and financed to impose direct violence upon nationalists and patriots in countries where nationalism and patriotism still exist. Antifa support everything that’s disgusting and vile and oppose everything that’s noble and fair. There are many notable cases of Antifa fags imposing the destructive Zionist agendas by attacking patriots and nationalists."
or take this nice one: http://www.bestgore.com/holohoax/pathological-lie-holocaust-survivor/
one saption reads: Delousing Chambers – German Plan to Save the Lives of Jews and Gentiles
get this: The Auschwitz Plaques and the 6 Million Myth
and so on. That's why the neo nazi reference should be in the description mfg 2.240.207.171 ( talk) 15:55, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
69.114.11.47 ( talk) 19:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
maybe the neo-nazi stuff shpuld be mentioned in an own short section, rather than in the headline? 2.240.207.171 ( talk) 20:26, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Not sure if this link really meets WP:EL. Marek has played the freedom of speech martyrdom card in a big way since he was arrested, but claiming that he is a political prisoner is stretching things as he is on bail, not in prison. Some of the other material relies on the BestGore website, which is a WP:SPS. Marek is convinced that he has access to The Truth™, which includes Jews lying about the Holocaust. In some countries it would be illegal to publish this material. The gore material would also be illegal to publish in some countries. Marek has had a reasonable deal from the Canadian authorities over the years, and it was the alleged murder video which caused the wheels to come off his wagon. The article should focus on this rather than Marek's claim to have been hard done by. At the moment, he is awaiting trial, and the article is giving excessive weight to Marek's protestations that he is a freedom of speech martyr. The possible future charge is WP:CRYSTALBALL and does not really need to be mentioned unless it happens.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:03, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Re this edit: it isn't in dispute that there is a load of anti-semitic material on BestGore, including looney comments from users saying that every terrorist attack there ever was is the work of the Jews. The problem is that using WP:PRIMARY and WP:OR to source this is against Wikipedia guidelines. The mainstream media has never shown much interest in BestGore other than in the context of the Luka Magnotta case, and this makes it difficult to produce secondary sourcing for wide-ranging comments about the site being anti-semitic.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:20, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
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At the time of writing, Bestgore.com is online and says on the main page "Best Gore has been under sustained attack since the noon of December 15, 2017. The attack keeps paralyzing the server. We apologize for downtime this has caused." This sounds like a denial-of-service attack and it has happened before at Bestgore.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:39, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Bestgore owner claims that Google is censoring them by means of Chrome: "Google is censoring access to our videos. Don't use their proprietary and dubious browser Chrome just because it's popular with the herd. Use an open source, user friendly and privacy respecting alternatives, like Tor or Firefox."
I think that should be mentioned here or in the article on Chrome, because site's content is obviously politically charged and insulting to many "developing" nations, which fail to educate their people and prevent all this barbaric stuff, like lynching.
-- NikitaSadkov ( talk) 13:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Re this edit: the site is up for me without any problems, and the main page does not say that the site is under attack, as it has done in the past. Wikipedia articles should not say that a site is down unless it has been offline for at least 24 hours and is covered in reliable sources. It's intriguing that someone is having difficulty accessing the site. Bestgore has said that Google Chrome may block access to the site, and it is possible that other browsers or ISPs are doing this. Before saying that the site is offline again, please try to access it on a range of devices and Internet connections.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:24, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
I can't see it from Italy. I don't have any news of it shut down or censored, even with Google search.-- Sakuragasaki46 ( talk) 17:11, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Re this edit: there are serious problems with WP:V and WP:HIJACK here. Both sources are now quite old, and say nothing about the site's performance in 2020. This source from the Globe and Mail in 2013 says "It is also unsettlingly popular, with as many as 10 million viewers" while this source from Bestgore itself (less than ideal per WP:PRIMARY) says "one million unique readers a month" and "15 Million page views a month with a lot of hosted media". None of this verifies a statement like "Bestgore is currently (as of September 2020) the biggest shock site in the world". If this is re-added, it should match more closely what the sourcing says.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:03, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
In the most recent post (November 12th) there was an edit stating that the owner of the site was preoccupied outside to run the website, as well as the company hosting the site finally cracking down and no longer allowing the posting of gore/shock material. Anyone else read that, see that, or believe that? Site has currently been down for an excess lf 4 days and counting. Is it time we call it offline? |1Falco3| ( talk) 06:18, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Seems to me it’s temporary until sale is completed, however with the controversies that have came with the site, and the asking price of the owner, it seems highly unlikely 1. someone will purchase the site or 2. someone will purchase the site with the intention of keeping it open. Is there even a term to use for this or just keep it as defunct? |1Falco3| ( talk) 07:19, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
So, being fairly fresh to wiki editing, if the website itself, with a quote from Mark, saying if somebody wants to buy it and shoot him an offer, i couldn’t potentially use that as a source due to it not technically being a reliable source? |1Falco3| ( talk) 07:22, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Several posts on the site attack people based on race, gender, sexual orientation, disability and religion including a section entitled the halohoax. also with posts like https://www.bestgore.com/street-fight/nigger-lover-thot-surprise-tyrone-hit-back-repeate-attack/ I dont see how it wouldnt be listed as such-- Fruitloop11 ( talk) 07:19, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Because it’s not necessarily the point of the site. It was not primarily a hate site that posts gore. It was primarily a gore site that tends to bleed over with hate. If you look at other gore sites, Racism/Antisemitism/Homophobia tends to be a trend with users. |1Falco3| ( talk) 23:49, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
the owner of "BESTGORE.COM" is planning on making the site online again, expect its not gore related instead its news. but I do not have any valid sources to prove it other than the website itself. by adding the website itself as the source. is it against the guidelines. since I’m a little confused and worried. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AllanWiki123 ( talk • contribs) 11:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC) <!—- actually I don’t need help since I found out that it actually redirects the user to another site —!>
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It gets a lot harder to find news articles online when they're old, so I'll list the current hits from searching bestgore on Yahoo for future reference:
(The above are in order they appear, except for duplicates being moved up, as searched on June 10) Wnt ( talk) 19:20, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
To these Google adds
I use "?=" above because Google seems to lump together more than exact duplicates. The categories with 4 "synonyms" sometimes claim thousands of similar hits, which I didn't pursue. Wnt ( talk) 19:35, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
There should be information about the Anti-semitic and fascist attitude of this website and its owner, holocaust denier Mark Marek, who also condones the mass murder of Anders Behring Breivik, calling it "martyrdom": http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a74_1346182895 - Exemplary, Anti-semitic and racist lecture on http://www.bestgore.com/open-post/jews-multiculturalism-rape/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.78.115.255 ( talk) 12:01, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
The guy that runs this website is a hate-filled anti-Semite. He's also Anti-US (he believes the US is completely run by "Jews"), and loves videos that show American troops getting murdered (they're "ZOGs" - part of the world-wide Zionist conspiracy!). His "criticisms" (more like an extreme Left-Wing psychosis) go far beyond Israel and Palestine and politics in general, to psychotic conspiracy theories where he justifies murder.
Here's a quote from the heartless psycho:
Whether Juba was real or not, and whether he’s one person or a few – nobody knows for sure. All we know is that there was a sniper in Iraq that took out a whole whack of ZOG mercenaries during their occupation of the country. Needless to say, a ZOG mercenary in a body bag is a good ZOG mercenary. All these twinky faggots do is rape children, abuse prisoners and secure trafficking of opiates for the ZOG cartel. It is said Juba sent more than 600 American soldiers home in a bag. This compilation of sniper kills from Iraq claims to show Juba’s work. Whether they’re all Juba’s kills is as debatable as whether Juba existed in the first place. Either way – it’s always a nice sight when a twink folds down like a sack of shit that he was.
http://www.bestgore.com/murder/iraqi-sniper-juba-compilation-kills/
The whole site is a haven for people that are racist, straight-up crazy, death-loving, left-wing crazy, right-wing crazy, etc.
as the two previous posters said, bestgore is soaked with neo-nazism. you cant go a few steps without falling over ZOG, zionists etc etc. for reference, here ar a few quotes: "Antifaschistische Aktion (Antifa) are an extension of Zionism, bred and financed to impose direct violence upon nationalists and patriots in countries where nationalism and patriotism still exist. Antifa support everything that’s disgusting and vile and oppose everything that’s noble and fair. There are many notable cases of Antifa fags imposing the destructive Zionist agendas by attacking patriots and nationalists."
or take this nice one: http://www.bestgore.com/holohoax/pathological-lie-holocaust-survivor/
one saption reads: Delousing Chambers – German Plan to Save the Lives of Jews and Gentiles
get this: The Auschwitz Plaques and the 6 Million Myth
and so on. That's why the neo nazi reference should be in the description mfg 2.240.207.171 ( talk) 15:55, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
69.114.11.47 ( talk) 19:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
maybe the neo-nazi stuff shpuld be mentioned in an own short section, rather than in the headline? 2.240.207.171 ( talk) 20:26, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Not sure if this link really meets WP:EL. Marek has played the freedom of speech martyrdom card in a big way since he was arrested, but claiming that he is a political prisoner is stretching things as he is on bail, not in prison. Some of the other material relies on the BestGore website, which is a WP:SPS. Marek is convinced that he has access to The Truth™, which includes Jews lying about the Holocaust. In some countries it would be illegal to publish this material. The gore material would also be illegal to publish in some countries. Marek has had a reasonable deal from the Canadian authorities over the years, and it was the alleged murder video which caused the wheels to come off his wagon. The article should focus on this rather than Marek's claim to have been hard done by. At the moment, he is awaiting trial, and the article is giving excessive weight to Marek's protestations that he is a freedom of speech martyr. The possible future charge is WP:CRYSTALBALL and does not really need to be mentioned unless it happens.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:03, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Re this edit: it isn't in dispute that there is a load of anti-semitic material on BestGore, including looney comments from users saying that every terrorist attack there ever was is the work of the Jews. The problem is that using WP:PRIMARY and WP:OR to source this is against Wikipedia guidelines. The mainstream media has never shown much interest in BestGore other than in the context of the Luka Magnotta case, and this makes it difficult to produce secondary sourcing for wide-ranging comments about the site being anti-semitic.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:20, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
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At the time of writing, Bestgore.com is online and says on the main page "Best Gore has been under sustained attack since the noon of December 15, 2017. The attack keeps paralyzing the server. We apologize for downtime this has caused." This sounds like a denial-of-service attack and it has happened before at Bestgore.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 06:39, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Bestgore owner claims that Google is censoring them by means of Chrome: "Google is censoring access to our videos. Don't use their proprietary and dubious browser Chrome just because it's popular with the herd. Use an open source, user friendly and privacy respecting alternatives, like Tor or Firefox."
I think that should be mentioned here or in the article on Chrome, because site's content is obviously politically charged and insulting to many "developing" nations, which fail to educate their people and prevent all this barbaric stuff, like lynching.
-- NikitaSadkov ( talk) 13:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Re this edit: the site is up for me without any problems, and the main page does not say that the site is under attack, as it has done in the past. Wikipedia articles should not say that a site is down unless it has been offline for at least 24 hours and is covered in reliable sources. It's intriguing that someone is having difficulty accessing the site. Bestgore has said that Google Chrome may block access to the site, and it is possible that other browsers or ISPs are doing this. Before saying that the site is offline again, please try to access it on a range of devices and Internet connections.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:24, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
I can't see it from Italy. I don't have any news of it shut down or censored, even with Google search.-- Sakuragasaki46 ( talk) 17:11, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Re this edit: there are serious problems with WP:V and WP:HIJACK here. Both sources are now quite old, and say nothing about the site's performance in 2020. This source from the Globe and Mail in 2013 says "It is also unsettlingly popular, with as many as 10 million viewers" while this source from Bestgore itself (less than ideal per WP:PRIMARY) says "one million unique readers a month" and "15 Million page views a month with a lot of hosted media". None of this verifies a statement like "Bestgore is currently (as of September 2020) the biggest shock site in the world". If this is re-added, it should match more closely what the sourcing says.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:03, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
In the most recent post (November 12th) there was an edit stating that the owner of the site was preoccupied outside to run the website, as well as the company hosting the site finally cracking down and no longer allowing the posting of gore/shock material. Anyone else read that, see that, or believe that? Site has currently been down for an excess lf 4 days and counting. Is it time we call it offline? |1Falco3| ( talk) 06:18, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Seems to me it’s temporary until sale is completed, however with the controversies that have came with the site, and the asking price of the owner, it seems highly unlikely 1. someone will purchase the site or 2. someone will purchase the site with the intention of keeping it open. Is there even a term to use for this or just keep it as defunct? |1Falco3| ( talk) 07:19, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
So, being fairly fresh to wiki editing, if the website itself, with a quote from Mark, saying if somebody wants to buy it and shoot him an offer, i couldn’t potentially use that as a source due to it not technically being a reliable source? |1Falco3| ( talk) 07:22, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Several posts on the site attack people based on race, gender, sexual orientation, disability and religion including a section entitled the halohoax. also with posts like https://www.bestgore.com/street-fight/nigger-lover-thot-surprise-tyrone-hit-back-repeate-attack/ I dont see how it wouldnt be listed as such-- Fruitloop11 ( talk) 07:19, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Because it’s not necessarily the point of the site. It was not primarily a hate site that posts gore. It was primarily a gore site that tends to bleed over with hate. If you look at other gore sites, Racism/Antisemitism/Homophobia tends to be a trend with users. |1Falco3| ( talk) 23:49, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
the owner of "BESTGORE.COM" is planning on making the site online again, expect its not gore related instead its news. but I do not have any valid sources to prove it other than the website itself. by adding the website itself as the source. is it against the guidelines. since I’m a little confused and worried. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AllanWiki123 ( talk • contribs) 11:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC) <!—- actually I don’t need help since I found out that it actually redirects the user to another site —!>