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I'd like to change the table heading background color to a lighter purple as the reference links are hard to see. I did it without discussion on Max & Shred without incident a while ago, but I know it's generally frowned upon to just change the colors (unless there are exceptions for cases like this that I'm unaware of?) without prior discussion. Geraldo Perez, you have a lot expertise or background in this area from what I've seen. Would you agree with this? Does it just matter that the sources are there or does it also matter that we can see the links with ease? Amaury ( talk) 17:08, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Per instructions at
template:infobox television "Cast are listed in original credit order followed by order in which new cast joined the show
". The list in the article itself should reflect the order in the infobox. A tautology - credit order is the order listed in the credits of the show itself and not some other location that is not the show.
Geraldo Perez (
talk) 05:17, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
I just checked IMDB at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4507442/fullcredits ( archived snapshot of page) and cast credit order there now matches what is in this article and the credit order displayed on the first episode. IMDb uses star-power ratings until they get better info and it looks like IMDb changed after the first ep aired. Of course IMDb is not stable either and anonymous editors can get things changed (but IMDB does do some validation) so always best to use the episode itself as the authoritative source for this. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 20:01, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
So Disney took down the page for episode 7, and their episode list doesn't include it at all now. And Zap2it has changed the title to "Shake Your Booty", which is what Disney called it. nyuszika7h ( talk) 11:40, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Okay, now DisABCPress shows "Shake Your Booty" again, nothing has changed for that one. But the air date for "The Butterscotch Effect" is listed as August 19. Zap2it still says August 16. What's going on? nyuszika7h ( talk) 09:21, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Are minor characters noteworthy? As far as I know, like we don't list co-stars as guest stars, we also don't list minor characters, those that only appeared once or twice and are never mentioned again. Amaury ( talk) 02:50, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
It might be like Liv and Maddie, where the main characters are credited as "Liv Rooney" and "Maddie Rooney", but their full names are "Olivia Rooney" and "Madison Rooney". nyuszika7h ( talk) 11:55, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
As we're not entirely sure which one's a nickname—for me personally, they both sound like full first names—we shouldn't assume that one or the other is a nickname and just leave it at "Barry calls him Reynaldo" or some form of. Amaury ( talk) 21:57, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Barry calls him Reynaldo" is best as it doesn't make a editor judgement, just states the facts. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 22:01, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Just a spelling FYI - in ep1 (from iTunes) at time stamp 3:52 subtitles say "It's not a chest hair machine, Renaldo." About the best I can find for something official for "Renaldo" spelling although subtitles are sometimes wrong. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 02:59, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
You know, the characters in Best Friends Whenever have last names. I think we should add them. Here are a few examples:
Cyd Ripley
Shelby Marcus
Barry Eisenberg
Naldo Montoya
Singsweet23 (
talk) 22:55, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
So, for my own edification, can someone give an example (e.g. another article) where it would be OK to include a non-credited character surname? I'm inclined to agree somewhat with Singsweet23 that such information probably is of interest to readers (and thus might be good if included somewhere in this article), even if I agree that such information would be wholly inappropriate for inclusion in, say, the lede or the "official" cast list. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:26, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Obviously, we'll need a reliable source to change it, but Nyuszika7H reverted this a while ago, and now I know where the IP got it from. Disney Channel's advertising commercial has been calling it Jump to the Future Lab. It's kind of similar to how Zap2it had A Time to Boogie for the longest time before finally updating it to Shake Your Booty because that's what Disney Channel was advertising it as.
I'm sure our good ol' reliable sources will update soon since it premieres on Sunday. Amaury ( talk) 06:25, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
This description is way too long. The description
Cyd and Shelby discover that Janet Smythe is the one behind the future lab; with the help of Barry and Naldo, they also discover that on August 27, 1991, Janet was shocked by a lamp at her desk. Since then she vowed to turn everything into wireless technology. Cyd and Shelby jump back to the day, but activate a trap and jump back. They continue to activate traps and jump back each time, but start noticing that their power is glitching up. As the next time travel they have could be their last, which they need to go back home, they make their last attempt at breaking lamp count. They successfully break Janet's lamp, but severely mess up the future. Upon returning from their time travel jump, Cyd ends up in Peru with her parents and Shelby ends up in Alaska with her parents after her father, because GloboDigiDyne didn't exist, could not find a stable job in Portland. The girls make a plan to meet each other in Portland so they can time travel and make sure Shelby's dad gets a solid job in Portland. Shelby ends up going to her old house to wait for Cyd and discovers that Barry and Naldo hardly recognize her from when she used to live there. Things take a bad turn when it turns out that Janet is now living at Shelby's house; however, it appears as though she doesn't remember what happened back on August 27, 1991. Janet invites Shelby inside for cookies and Shelby texts Cyd that Janet isn't evil like she thought she was. However, when Shelby attempts to say thank you and leave and doesn't get a response, she decided to go up to her old room only to discover that Janet does indeed remember that girls. Janet then ties up Shelby and waits for Cyd to show up. When Shelby's phone beeps because Cyd sent her a text message, Janet grabs her phone and pretends to be Shelby, which Cyd falls for. When Cyd gets inside, she tells Janet she'd rather wait outside because that's where Shelby said they'd meet, but as Janet turns around to go back inside, Cyd receives a text from "Shelby", telling that there was a change of plans and to meet her inside. When Cyd gets upstairs, Janet ties her up as well. Shortly after, Barry, Naldo, and Marci come upstairs and discover what's going on and are then tied up themselves. Eventually, Janet tries to force Shelby into the molecular disrupter, but Cyd offers to go first because she can't watch that happen to her friend. Shelby manages to get free thanks to Diesel's spiky collar, but is too late to help Cyd, especially after repeatedly being hit by lasers. However, as Shelby begins losing hope, it turns out Cyd tricked Janet when she came out from behind the molecular disrupter and shocked Janet unconscious. Cyd and Shelby then jump back to August 27, 1991, again and make sure that the lamp shocks her. However, while they fix things, just like when they jumped back to the 1970s in Shake Your Booty, they leave particles behind, which Janet captures. While all this happens, Naldo is also helping Barry work up the courage to tell Marci he likes her. Eventually, they have a date, and despite working so hard to prove to Naldo that they don't like each other, Barry discovers he likes Marci and Marci likes him. Both of them then go in for a kiss, but as they're about to do it, the timeline resets from Cyd and Shelby breaking the lamp. Then in the timeline when GloboDigiDyne doesn't exist, Naldo is once again helping Barry work up the courage to tell Marci he likes her, and like before, it's discovered Marci likes Barry. However, also like before, when Cyd and Shelby go back to fix things after Cyd defeats Janet, the timeline resets, but before it does, Barry vows he won't forget that he likes Marci.
clocks out at 667 words. This is almost as long as a film plot. Can someone shorten this please? 100.12.206.17 ( talk) 03:37, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
On a related, but different, topic concerning this episode, "Cyd and Shelby Strike Back", the column reference used to confirm air dates, Zap2it, shows the episode as S1E11 and S1E12. This had me checking that information, and based on how Zap2it shows things, this would appear to be a valid edit. However, the episode aired, and continues to air on Disney Channel, as a one-hour piece, not two separate parts. Disney ABC Press also shows it as one episode, with one production code. Thus, despite Zap2it, the edit is being reverted. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 01:21, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Some additional info to add to this discussion – the U.S. Copyright Office has 2 separate entries for Revenge's "Truth": [5] [6]; and Once Upon a Times's "Operation Mongoose": [7] [8], but just one entry for things like "When Tori Goes Platinum" [9]. FWIW... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:08, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
For what it's worth, Disney's one-hour specials are almost always split into two episodes for syndication, at least in Hungary and Czech Republic, and on Netflix; even episodes like K.C. Undercover's "Double Crossed Part 1" get split, making it four parts. But I don't think syndication matters here. Netflix has the one-hour special combined episode "Lab Rats vs. Mighty Med" as a separate half-hour episode for each show, and the actors from the other show are credited as "Special guest star", OTOH in the original airing and what's sold on Amazon/iTunes, all of them get a "Starring" credit at the beginning, and it has one set of credits. I agree that one set of credits generally means one episode, I'd say even for episodes with separate Part 1/Part 2 director and writer credits at the beginning. If we had to split those, we'd end up with "Double Crossed Part 1 (Part 1)", "Double Crossed Part 1 (Part 2)", "Double Crossed Part 2", and "Double Crossed Part 3" for K.C. Undercover.
For Once Upon a Time, it's a bit complicated because the show's creators are referring to a particular episode as the 100th episode and some editors have the desire to make it actually show up as the 100th episode. It might be best to leave that one alone, but it shouldn't set a precedent to do it wrong on other show articles. – nyuszika7h ( talk) 10:15, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
The source being cited by the IP is an official Disney press release, not a blog. See Talk:K.C. Undercover#Last names for more info. – nyuszika7h ( talk) 10:14, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Is "Fight the Future Part 3" really the "season finale"? I know that's what Zap2It is indicating, but that's only episode #19 (by prod. codes). Can anyone produce a source showing that only 19 episodes were ordered or filmed? It would be very unusual for this show to have done 19 episodes rather than 20 – while odd-number orders like that are more usual over at NICK, they seem much less common at Disney. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 17:20, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
It's not really that strange. Austin & Ally's first season and I Didn't Do It's second season both had 19 episodes. Nicky, Ricky, Dicky, and Dawn's upcoming third season, as of now, will have 14 episodes. Amaury ( talk) 16:27, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
It is proposed that the episode list be split out to List of Best Friends Whenever episodes. Prtyinthusa attempted a WP:BOLD WP:SPLIT that was reversed by Nyuszika7H as too soon and not done correctly. The split was done incorrectly in that the process outlined as WP:SPLIT#How to properly split an article was not followed including the noting of internal text copying that went against WP:CWW.
I noticed at TV Guide, they have labeled the episodes for the week of July 25 thru 29 as episodes 19 to 23 in season one [11]. As Zap2it, Futon Critic, and Disney ABC Press all identify the episodes as the first five in season two, I will leave things as is in the article. I just found it weird that TV Guide has it the way they do. (Their numbering also shows up in the TV listings for my cable provider, Comcast.) MPFitz1968 ( talk) 13:56, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
How we're going to count "Revenge of the Past" is problematic. While it aired as a 1-hour finale on Dec. 11, I believe "Part 1" aired by itself on Dec. 4. Anyone have any ideas on how we want to handle this?... Based on the Dec. 4 airing, I'm thinking we should count it as two separate episodes... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 19:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
It is not clear whether Disney Channel has officially cancelled the show, though recent edits being backed by unreliable sources or what actors have said suggest it has, such as [12] [13] [14] [15]. First, an actor does not speak on behalf of the show or Disney Channel regarding decisions about cancellations or renewals. And second, please read the guideline regarding reliable sources carefully about what may support any statement made about the show in the article.
As this article is currently 30/500 protected until mid-April, relatively few will edit the article, but those who are, particularly regarding this show's future (or lack of one): the above is a reminder of your responsibility when you add such info. Thanks. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 17:53, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
This ( [16]) probably doesn't count as a WP:RS either (I have no idea if Tumblr has "verified accounts"), but it seems to be getting closer to getting us a bona fide confirmation... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 06:33, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
I appreciate the need for "legit" sources but it IS over. The dude who makes the show even replied to me personally on Twitter and said to look for his next project. Also this Just Jared article. Nevermind, apparently JustJaredJr dot come is a blacklisted site? Um. okay. ColdHardDrewth ( talk) 11:25, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity" being the issue here. Verified by twitter is sufficient to meet that requirement and is an easy test, it is not the only way. People not prone to collect posers don't generally get verified. Show that a verified account of someone who would be expected to know Scott Thomas follows that twitter and we can use his twitter account for info he would be expected to know. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 18:04, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
What about this from M Magazine? (I'm thinking this and J-14 have the same publisher, from what I see there, but not sure if fully reliable.) Used by DJV11181988 in edits at this article, List of programs broadcast by Disney Channel and List of Disney Channel series to back the show's cancellation. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 19:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Disney ABC Press no longer has the series on their site ... attempting to go there thru this link produces the infamous error 404. Making mention here as I don't know if this is suitable evidence to indicate the series is officially over. (I also made note that Girl Meets World is also no longer on the site, but Liv and Maddie still is, despite that series ending.) MPFitz1968 ( talk) 08:49, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Latest source introduced in
this edit by 76.168.225.228
[20], while reliable, doesn't directly address that Disney Channel officially cancelled the show. The IP asserts in the hidden comment they added Article states how the show was getting low ratings and uses past tense "didn't" instead of "don't" meaning that the show is over, and this is coming from the president of the network
. The exact excerpt they are referring to in the source says: "On the Disney Channel, some new shows, such as 'I Didn't Do It' and 'Best Friends Whenever' didn't click with kids, which contributed to the ratings decline." The assertion that the past tense use in the sentence means that Disney Channel cancelled BFW is insufficient to make that connection - purely
improper synthesis of the source, a form of
original research.
MPFitz1968 (
talk) 18:11, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
So I found this from June 30. Can that be used to justify adding the end date? Of course it will have to be sourced if yes, at least until a year passes. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 15:51, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
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I'd like to change the table heading background color to a lighter purple as the reference links are hard to see. I did it without discussion on Max & Shred without incident a while ago, but I know it's generally frowned upon to just change the colors (unless there are exceptions for cases like this that I'm unaware of?) without prior discussion. Geraldo Perez, you have a lot expertise or background in this area from what I've seen. Would you agree with this? Does it just matter that the sources are there or does it also matter that we can see the links with ease? Amaury ( talk) 17:08, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Per instructions at
template:infobox television "Cast are listed in original credit order followed by order in which new cast joined the show
". The list in the article itself should reflect the order in the infobox. A tautology - credit order is the order listed in the credits of the show itself and not some other location that is not the show.
Geraldo Perez (
talk) 05:17, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
I just checked IMDB at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4507442/fullcredits ( archived snapshot of page) and cast credit order there now matches what is in this article and the credit order displayed on the first episode. IMDb uses star-power ratings until they get better info and it looks like IMDb changed after the first ep aired. Of course IMDb is not stable either and anonymous editors can get things changed (but IMDB does do some validation) so always best to use the episode itself as the authoritative source for this. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 20:01, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
So Disney took down the page for episode 7, and their episode list doesn't include it at all now. And Zap2it has changed the title to "Shake Your Booty", which is what Disney called it. nyuszika7h ( talk) 11:40, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
Okay, now DisABCPress shows "Shake Your Booty" again, nothing has changed for that one. But the air date for "The Butterscotch Effect" is listed as August 19. Zap2it still says August 16. What's going on? nyuszika7h ( talk) 09:21, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Are minor characters noteworthy? As far as I know, like we don't list co-stars as guest stars, we also don't list minor characters, those that only appeared once or twice and are never mentioned again. Amaury ( talk) 02:50, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
It might be like Liv and Maddie, where the main characters are credited as "Liv Rooney" and "Maddie Rooney", but their full names are "Olivia Rooney" and "Madison Rooney". nyuszika7h ( talk) 11:55, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
As we're not entirely sure which one's a nickname—for me personally, they both sound like full first names—we shouldn't assume that one or the other is a nickname and just leave it at "Barry calls him Reynaldo" or some form of. Amaury ( talk) 21:57, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Barry calls him Reynaldo" is best as it doesn't make a editor judgement, just states the facts. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 22:01, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Just a spelling FYI - in ep1 (from iTunes) at time stamp 3:52 subtitles say "It's not a chest hair machine, Renaldo." About the best I can find for something official for "Renaldo" spelling although subtitles are sometimes wrong. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 02:59, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
You know, the characters in Best Friends Whenever have last names. I think we should add them. Here are a few examples:
Cyd Ripley
Shelby Marcus
Barry Eisenberg
Naldo Montoya
Singsweet23 (
talk) 22:55, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
So, for my own edification, can someone give an example (e.g. another article) where it would be OK to include a non-credited character surname? I'm inclined to agree somewhat with Singsweet23 that such information probably is of interest to readers (and thus might be good if included somewhere in this article), even if I agree that such information would be wholly inappropriate for inclusion in, say, the lede or the "official" cast list. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:26, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Obviously, we'll need a reliable source to change it, but Nyuszika7H reverted this a while ago, and now I know where the IP got it from. Disney Channel's advertising commercial has been calling it Jump to the Future Lab. It's kind of similar to how Zap2it had A Time to Boogie for the longest time before finally updating it to Shake Your Booty because that's what Disney Channel was advertising it as.
I'm sure our good ol' reliable sources will update soon since it premieres on Sunday. Amaury ( talk) 06:25, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
This description is way too long. The description
Cyd and Shelby discover that Janet Smythe is the one behind the future lab; with the help of Barry and Naldo, they also discover that on August 27, 1991, Janet was shocked by a lamp at her desk. Since then she vowed to turn everything into wireless technology. Cyd and Shelby jump back to the day, but activate a trap and jump back. They continue to activate traps and jump back each time, but start noticing that their power is glitching up. As the next time travel they have could be their last, which they need to go back home, they make their last attempt at breaking lamp count. They successfully break Janet's lamp, but severely mess up the future. Upon returning from their time travel jump, Cyd ends up in Peru with her parents and Shelby ends up in Alaska with her parents after her father, because GloboDigiDyne didn't exist, could not find a stable job in Portland. The girls make a plan to meet each other in Portland so they can time travel and make sure Shelby's dad gets a solid job in Portland. Shelby ends up going to her old house to wait for Cyd and discovers that Barry and Naldo hardly recognize her from when she used to live there. Things take a bad turn when it turns out that Janet is now living at Shelby's house; however, it appears as though she doesn't remember what happened back on August 27, 1991. Janet invites Shelby inside for cookies and Shelby texts Cyd that Janet isn't evil like she thought she was. However, when Shelby attempts to say thank you and leave and doesn't get a response, she decided to go up to her old room only to discover that Janet does indeed remember that girls. Janet then ties up Shelby and waits for Cyd to show up. When Shelby's phone beeps because Cyd sent her a text message, Janet grabs her phone and pretends to be Shelby, which Cyd falls for. When Cyd gets inside, she tells Janet she'd rather wait outside because that's where Shelby said they'd meet, but as Janet turns around to go back inside, Cyd receives a text from "Shelby", telling that there was a change of plans and to meet her inside. When Cyd gets upstairs, Janet ties her up as well. Shortly after, Barry, Naldo, and Marci come upstairs and discover what's going on and are then tied up themselves. Eventually, Janet tries to force Shelby into the molecular disrupter, but Cyd offers to go first because she can't watch that happen to her friend. Shelby manages to get free thanks to Diesel's spiky collar, but is too late to help Cyd, especially after repeatedly being hit by lasers. However, as Shelby begins losing hope, it turns out Cyd tricked Janet when she came out from behind the molecular disrupter and shocked Janet unconscious. Cyd and Shelby then jump back to August 27, 1991, again and make sure that the lamp shocks her. However, while they fix things, just like when they jumped back to the 1970s in Shake Your Booty, they leave particles behind, which Janet captures. While all this happens, Naldo is also helping Barry work up the courage to tell Marci he likes her. Eventually, they have a date, and despite working so hard to prove to Naldo that they don't like each other, Barry discovers he likes Marci and Marci likes him. Both of them then go in for a kiss, but as they're about to do it, the timeline resets from Cyd and Shelby breaking the lamp. Then in the timeline when GloboDigiDyne doesn't exist, Naldo is once again helping Barry work up the courage to tell Marci he likes her, and like before, it's discovered Marci likes Barry. However, also like before, when Cyd and Shelby go back to fix things after Cyd defeats Janet, the timeline resets, but before it does, Barry vows he won't forget that he likes Marci.
clocks out at 667 words. This is almost as long as a film plot. Can someone shorten this please? 100.12.206.17 ( talk) 03:37, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
On a related, but different, topic concerning this episode, "Cyd and Shelby Strike Back", the column reference used to confirm air dates, Zap2it, shows the episode as S1E11 and S1E12. This had me checking that information, and based on how Zap2it shows things, this would appear to be a valid edit. However, the episode aired, and continues to air on Disney Channel, as a one-hour piece, not two separate parts. Disney ABC Press also shows it as one episode, with one production code. Thus, despite Zap2it, the edit is being reverted. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 01:21, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Some additional info to add to this discussion – the U.S. Copyright Office has 2 separate entries for Revenge's "Truth": [5] [6]; and Once Upon a Times's "Operation Mongoose": [7] [8], but just one entry for things like "When Tori Goes Platinum" [9]. FWIW... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:08, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
For what it's worth, Disney's one-hour specials are almost always split into two episodes for syndication, at least in Hungary and Czech Republic, and on Netflix; even episodes like K.C. Undercover's "Double Crossed Part 1" get split, making it four parts. But I don't think syndication matters here. Netflix has the one-hour special combined episode "Lab Rats vs. Mighty Med" as a separate half-hour episode for each show, and the actors from the other show are credited as "Special guest star", OTOH in the original airing and what's sold on Amazon/iTunes, all of them get a "Starring" credit at the beginning, and it has one set of credits. I agree that one set of credits generally means one episode, I'd say even for episodes with separate Part 1/Part 2 director and writer credits at the beginning. If we had to split those, we'd end up with "Double Crossed Part 1 (Part 1)", "Double Crossed Part 1 (Part 2)", "Double Crossed Part 2", and "Double Crossed Part 3" for K.C. Undercover.
For Once Upon a Time, it's a bit complicated because the show's creators are referring to a particular episode as the 100th episode and some editors have the desire to make it actually show up as the 100th episode. It might be best to leave that one alone, but it shouldn't set a precedent to do it wrong on other show articles. – nyuszika7h ( talk) 10:15, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
The source being cited by the IP is an official Disney press release, not a blog. See Talk:K.C. Undercover#Last names for more info. – nyuszika7h ( talk) 10:14, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Is "Fight the Future Part 3" really the "season finale"? I know that's what Zap2It is indicating, but that's only episode #19 (by prod. codes). Can anyone produce a source showing that only 19 episodes were ordered or filmed? It would be very unusual for this show to have done 19 episodes rather than 20 – while odd-number orders like that are more usual over at NICK, they seem much less common at Disney. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 17:20, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
It's not really that strange. Austin & Ally's first season and I Didn't Do It's second season both had 19 episodes. Nicky, Ricky, Dicky, and Dawn's upcoming third season, as of now, will have 14 episodes. Amaury ( talk) 16:27, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
It is proposed that the episode list be split out to List of Best Friends Whenever episodes. Prtyinthusa attempted a WP:BOLD WP:SPLIT that was reversed by Nyuszika7H as too soon and not done correctly. The split was done incorrectly in that the process outlined as WP:SPLIT#How to properly split an article was not followed including the noting of internal text copying that went against WP:CWW.
I noticed at TV Guide, they have labeled the episodes for the week of July 25 thru 29 as episodes 19 to 23 in season one [11]. As Zap2it, Futon Critic, and Disney ABC Press all identify the episodes as the first five in season two, I will leave things as is in the article. I just found it weird that TV Guide has it the way they do. (Their numbering also shows up in the TV listings for my cable provider, Comcast.) MPFitz1968 ( talk) 13:56, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
How we're going to count "Revenge of the Past" is problematic. While it aired as a 1-hour finale on Dec. 11, I believe "Part 1" aired by itself on Dec. 4. Anyone have any ideas on how we want to handle this?... Based on the Dec. 4 airing, I'm thinking we should count it as two separate episodes... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 19:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
It is not clear whether Disney Channel has officially cancelled the show, though recent edits being backed by unreliable sources or what actors have said suggest it has, such as [12] [13] [14] [15]. First, an actor does not speak on behalf of the show or Disney Channel regarding decisions about cancellations or renewals. And second, please read the guideline regarding reliable sources carefully about what may support any statement made about the show in the article.
As this article is currently 30/500 protected until mid-April, relatively few will edit the article, but those who are, particularly regarding this show's future (or lack of one): the above is a reminder of your responsibility when you add such info. Thanks. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 17:53, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
This ( [16]) probably doesn't count as a WP:RS either (I have no idea if Tumblr has "verified accounts"), but it seems to be getting closer to getting us a bona fide confirmation... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 06:33, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
I appreciate the need for "legit" sources but it IS over. The dude who makes the show even replied to me personally on Twitter and said to look for his next project. Also this Just Jared article. Nevermind, apparently JustJaredJr dot come is a blacklisted site? Um. okay. ColdHardDrewth ( talk) 11:25, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity" being the issue here. Verified by twitter is sufficient to meet that requirement and is an easy test, it is not the only way. People not prone to collect posers don't generally get verified. Show that a verified account of someone who would be expected to know Scott Thomas follows that twitter and we can use his twitter account for info he would be expected to know. Geraldo Perez ( talk) 18:04, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
What about this from M Magazine? (I'm thinking this and J-14 have the same publisher, from what I see there, but not sure if fully reliable.) Used by DJV11181988 in edits at this article, List of programs broadcast by Disney Channel and List of Disney Channel series to back the show's cancellation. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 19:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Disney ABC Press no longer has the series on their site ... attempting to go there thru this link produces the infamous error 404. Making mention here as I don't know if this is suitable evidence to indicate the series is officially over. (I also made note that Girl Meets World is also no longer on the site, but Liv and Maddie still is, despite that series ending.) MPFitz1968 ( talk) 08:49, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
Latest source introduced in
this edit by 76.168.225.228
[20], while reliable, doesn't directly address that Disney Channel officially cancelled the show. The IP asserts in the hidden comment they added Article states how the show was getting low ratings and uses past tense "didn't" instead of "don't" meaning that the show is over, and this is coming from the president of the network
. The exact excerpt they are referring to in the source says: "On the Disney Channel, some new shows, such as 'I Didn't Do It' and 'Best Friends Whenever' didn't click with kids, which contributed to the ratings decline." The assertion that the past tense use in the sentence means that Disney Channel cancelled BFW is insufficient to make that connection - purely
improper synthesis of the source, a form of
original research.
MPFitz1968 (
talk) 18:11, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
So I found this from June 30. Can that be used to justify adding the end date? Of course it will have to be sourced if yes, at least until a year passes. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 15:51, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
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