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Should we change the €60b $100b change to the original €60b, and in turn 77 billion US dollars because the dollar has strengthened significantly since the last change? Justinba1010 ( talk) 21:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I believe Strauss is not the designer... and that Charles Alton Ellis is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.229.224.50 ( talk) 16:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Article has some serious issues, both overall quality and point of view(it seems to be written by someone who is clearly a proponent of the project). I don't know enough about the topic to feel comfortable doing the work myself, but it needs to be done. Arvis21 18:35, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
The title should be changed (if not deleted), since this uses the name of a well-known book on the subject c. Sept. 2006 "The Bering Strait Crossing" - the WikiPedia page (appeared shortly thereafter) changes this only to the extent of a lower case "c" for "crossing" and clearly this is not a book review. The content comes about as close as you can get to plagiarism of the book and the original research on which it is based; whoever set up the page has no authority to do so, and has no connection with the author, the publisher of the book, or indeed those involved with the Beringia tunel link proposals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.116.91.44 ( talk) 15:48, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
This article's principal graphic, "North Pole view of the Bering Strait," is actually a polar view of our planet's entire Northern Hemisphere. Overkill? Maybe the huge area the graphic spans is because that graphic displays an unexplained red line crossing the strait, roughly circumscribing much of the U.S.A., and spreading over a long section of far East Asia, especially along the coast and through Japan. If that line designates existing (and/or proposed) rail lines, it ought to be called out as such. Mucketymuck ( talk) 21:16, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Can anyone add more info on the possible plans of contructing a tunnel and/or bridge across to the other side elsewhere? I am quite curious as to whether any steps have been taken to decide to build infrastructure links across the:
Anyone with inside knowledge on any of these? I've posted similar requests elsewhere. Gruesome Twosome! 8v // Big Adamsky 17:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Since there isn't a bridge right now, how do you travel over the land between Alaska and Russia with your car or motorhome? Could a boat or ferry pick up something as large as a motorhome? Zachorious 12:18, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Copy and paste this: {{ User:UBX/Bering Strait Bridge}}
-- One Salient Oversight 06:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Russia's idea of a tunnel has made pretty big news recently. Just wondering if it's worth some mention here. Here's a link: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=a5OJJzlp0xwM&refer=canada Yubimusubi 04:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Currently, Bering Strait Tunnel redirects to Bering Strait bridge. Does it make sense to direct to TKM-World Link instead?-- mikeu 05:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
These articles need to be unmerged immediately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rukaribe ( talk • contribs)
Aren't the continuations on land the same thing as the roads and railways to reach the bridge? DallasEpperson 03:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Bering Strait Tunnel has been merged into Bering Strait bridge. For discussion there see talk:Bering Strait Tunnel. 199.125.109.84 22:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
So give a summary if it is worth the cost or not. Jidanni 14:14, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
References
Is anyone interested in Rev. Sun Myung Moon's proposal for a "World Peace King Tunnel" across the Bering Strait?
Should we omit this because he's only a religious leader, or include it anyway? -- Uncle Ed 13:12, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
How far is it from Siberia to Big Diomede? And how far from Little Diomede to Alaska? -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 18:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Are there any plans to build a road from Anchorage or Fairbanks to the Bering Strait? I have tried to find info about an extension of the Elliott Highway, a good starting point for a road between Fairbanks and Nome. Nothing found. Googling about "road nome fairbanks" finds very little. A NY Times article from 1908 (!) about winter dog trails. Nothing else. Anyone knows? -- BIL ( talk) 21:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I think it would be good to make it clear what the actual purpose of such bridge would be. I don't think its obvious to most people that going through the bering straight is much closer than going over the pacific ocean. On a standard map, it looks like a detour, while on a globe, its obvious that it's a straight path. It would be nice to have a map of the pacific ocean that shows how ships travel from guangzhou to san francisco in what appears to be an arc and some explanation of that.
Also, much of chinas production happens inland, meaning that trains first have to tranport goods to the coast, and then have it transfered to ships. Once the ships are in the US, the cargo is once again transfered to trains or whatever and transportet to the east where most americans live. These changes of means of transport are very expensive.
So thats two suggestions for where the article could head in the future. 81.235.136.245 ( talk) 20:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Deleted the sentence referring to WWII. Since American aid to Russia was by plane, I don't see how it's relevant to the proposed bridge/tunnel. It'd be different if there was a sense that a bridge or tunnel was discussed by either party. Louiebb ( talk) 23:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
The article states that George W. Bush and Vladimir Putin discussed the proposal at their meeting in Sochi in April but I can't find any references to confirm that the topic actually made the agenda. I'm pretty sure it didn't. Anyone know for certain? ProgHead777 ( talk) 11:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I've removed all references to Great Britain from the lede. As a purely technical point, yes the Bering Strait crossing would create a land route from my home in London to North and South America, and also the two American continents would for the first time have land route to Asia, Africa and Europe, of which Britain is an offshore island accessible in turn by road tunnel.
To mention the British connection in the lede is, I feel, distracting and unnecessary. I don't think the transatlantic freight and passenger aircraft businesses will be worrying about millions of people streaming up through Alaska across the Bering Strait, across Russia, through Europe to France to the Pas de Calais and onto the EuroTunnel just to avoid a grueling air flight or boat journey. -- TS 00:01, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I've removed uncited materials, and added cited information. I've also removed wp:or. The article as it stood made uncited claims, as well as creating original research by sythesizing conclusions from cited sources. Specifically, I've deleted statements about rail gauges, alternative access routes, possible sources of income, etc which are not cited from studies specific to the construction of the bridge -- Work permit ( talk) 05:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Please provide references to technical defficulty of guage differences that specifically discuss the proposed bering straight crossing-- Work permit ( talk) 04:14, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Again, I'm not debating that russia uses different guages. You need a reference that states this is a major issue, a minor issue, no issue, or any issue as it relates to the bering straight crossing.-- Work permit ( talk) 07:29, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I will try do do it or consider rubbing out this section. Of course, I can be wrong writing of incompatible sizes here. Presently, refernces to the facts of mentioned incompatibilities were only provided. Should I also proof that railway gauge is main factor that minimal diameter of the tube depends on (isn't this obvious)? Next question; is it not any issue at all (economical at least), the compatibility of two different rail systems? This makes some issue on CIS/EU ant the Spanish borders but there are no need for tunnels or bridges. On the other hand, existing railway tunnels, e.g. under Alps in Switzerland, connact railway systems with the same UIC-based dimensions. This can be referenced easily. I will take all critical remarks with pleasure. Algernon NS ( talk) 14:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
US and Canada should convert from 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) standard gauge to 5 ft 6 in (1,676 mm) Indian gauge and 25kV AC electrification before they have their high-speed trains.
121.102.47.39 ( talk) 04:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
North America got proposed by Russia. 121.102.47.39 ( talk) 04:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Russia plans the TKM-World Link and proposes the railway networks in Canada and the United States to convert from standard gauge to broad gauge. 121.102.47.39 ( talk) 05:00, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Bering Strait Tunnel should choose broad gauge at least Russian gauge. 121.102.122.122 ( talk) 02:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
180.199.55.183 ( talk) 08:48, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
180.199.61.236 ( talk) 13:09, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
180.199.48.200 ( talk) 05:01, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Enough! Don't post anymore. 180.199.43.152 ( talk) 04:52, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
"forces up to 5000 tons" tons is not a measurment for force. This should be converted to the International Newton of the USA/Burma/Liberia pound-force. 94.145.236.194 ( talk) 20:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Response to clarification for "forces up to 5000 tons or more" being meaningless - nobody's taken the bridge project to the point of computing design parameters exactly. Some preliminary data suggests up to 5000 tons of shear force. However, because it's a preliminary report, they want to include the possibility that forces might be higher. There won't be any more specific data until and unless someone decides they want to build the bridges. Economically, that seems unlikely. Thus, I would suggest the clarification needed tag be removed. 174.6.164.143 ( talk) 08:20, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
{{convert|5000|STf|kN lbf}}
. I am assuming short tons-force as above; change "STf" to "LTf" or "tf" if needed.I think we are beyond the point of calling this hypothetical.. The project has been approved and has been worked out in detail. I sugest we move to calling it "Planned" instead of "Hypothetical" .
83.101.83.88 ( talk) 17:41, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
The actual length of the bridge section of the Jiaozhou Bay Bridge is 26.7 km (16.16 mi). The 42 km figure applies to the entire Jiaozhou Bay Connection Project, not of all of which is a bridge. The Lake Pontchartrain Causeway is the longest continuous bridge. Roches ( talk) 06:41, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
It's occurred to me that drilling the tunnel would create a very large amount of waste rock, which would probably need to be pulled out of the ends of the tunnels. Have there been any plans on what to do with the waste rock? Ship it out through the rail to disposal areas? Dump it in the ocean around the entrances? Fill in the space between the Diomede islands? 98.127.119.21 ( talk) 07:23, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
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Should we change the €60b $100b change to the original €60b, and in turn 77 billion US dollars because the dollar has strengthened significantly since the last change? Justinba1010 ( talk) 21:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I believe Strauss is not the designer... and that Charles Alton Ellis is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.229.224.50 ( talk) 16:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Article has some serious issues, both overall quality and point of view(it seems to be written by someone who is clearly a proponent of the project). I don't know enough about the topic to feel comfortable doing the work myself, but it needs to be done. Arvis21 18:35, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
The title should be changed (if not deleted), since this uses the name of a well-known book on the subject c. Sept. 2006 "The Bering Strait Crossing" - the WikiPedia page (appeared shortly thereafter) changes this only to the extent of a lower case "c" for "crossing" and clearly this is not a book review. The content comes about as close as you can get to plagiarism of the book and the original research on which it is based; whoever set up the page has no authority to do so, and has no connection with the author, the publisher of the book, or indeed those involved with the Beringia tunel link proposals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.116.91.44 ( talk) 15:48, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
This article's principal graphic, "North Pole view of the Bering Strait," is actually a polar view of our planet's entire Northern Hemisphere. Overkill? Maybe the huge area the graphic spans is because that graphic displays an unexplained red line crossing the strait, roughly circumscribing much of the U.S.A., and spreading over a long section of far East Asia, especially along the coast and through Japan. If that line designates existing (and/or proposed) rail lines, it ought to be called out as such. Mucketymuck ( talk) 21:16, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Can anyone add more info on the possible plans of contructing a tunnel and/or bridge across to the other side elsewhere? I am quite curious as to whether any steps have been taken to decide to build infrastructure links across the:
Anyone with inside knowledge on any of these? I've posted similar requests elsewhere. Gruesome Twosome! 8v // Big Adamsky 17:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Since there isn't a bridge right now, how do you travel over the land between Alaska and Russia with your car or motorhome? Could a boat or ferry pick up something as large as a motorhome? Zachorious 12:18, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Copy and paste this: {{ User:UBX/Bering Strait Bridge}}
-- One Salient Oversight 06:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Russia's idea of a tunnel has made pretty big news recently. Just wondering if it's worth some mention here. Here's a link: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601082&sid=a5OJJzlp0xwM&refer=canada Yubimusubi 04:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Currently, Bering Strait Tunnel redirects to Bering Strait bridge. Does it make sense to direct to TKM-World Link instead?-- mikeu 05:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
These articles need to be unmerged immediately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rukaribe ( talk • contribs)
Aren't the continuations on land the same thing as the roads and railways to reach the bridge? DallasEpperson 03:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Bering Strait Tunnel has been merged into Bering Strait bridge. For discussion there see talk:Bering Strait Tunnel. 199.125.109.84 22:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
So give a summary if it is worth the cost or not. Jidanni 14:14, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
References
Is anyone interested in Rev. Sun Myung Moon's proposal for a "World Peace King Tunnel" across the Bering Strait?
Should we omit this because he's only a religious leader, or include it anyway? -- Uncle Ed 13:12, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
How far is it from Siberia to Big Diomede? And how far from Little Diomede to Alaska? -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 18:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Are there any plans to build a road from Anchorage or Fairbanks to the Bering Strait? I have tried to find info about an extension of the Elliott Highway, a good starting point for a road between Fairbanks and Nome. Nothing found. Googling about "road nome fairbanks" finds very little. A NY Times article from 1908 (!) about winter dog trails. Nothing else. Anyone knows? -- BIL ( talk) 21:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
I think it would be good to make it clear what the actual purpose of such bridge would be. I don't think its obvious to most people that going through the bering straight is much closer than going over the pacific ocean. On a standard map, it looks like a detour, while on a globe, its obvious that it's a straight path. It would be nice to have a map of the pacific ocean that shows how ships travel from guangzhou to san francisco in what appears to be an arc and some explanation of that.
Also, much of chinas production happens inland, meaning that trains first have to tranport goods to the coast, and then have it transfered to ships. Once the ships are in the US, the cargo is once again transfered to trains or whatever and transportet to the east where most americans live. These changes of means of transport are very expensive.
So thats two suggestions for where the article could head in the future. 81.235.136.245 ( talk) 20:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Deleted the sentence referring to WWII. Since American aid to Russia was by plane, I don't see how it's relevant to the proposed bridge/tunnel. It'd be different if there was a sense that a bridge or tunnel was discussed by either party. Louiebb ( talk) 23:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
The article states that George W. Bush and Vladimir Putin discussed the proposal at their meeting in Sochi in April but I can't find any references to confirm that the topic actually made the agenda. I'm pretty sure it didn't. Anyone know for certain? ProgHead777 ( talk) 11:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I've removed all references to Great Britain from the lede. As a purely technical point, yes the Bering Strait crossing would create a land route from my home in London to North and South America, and also the two American continents would for the first time have land route to Asia, Africa and Europe, of which Britain is an offshore island accessible in turn by road tunnel.
To mention the British connection in the lede is, I feel, distracting and unnecessary. I don't think the transatlantic freight and passenger aircraft businesses will be worrying about millions of people streaming up through Alaska across the Bering Strait, across Russia, through Europe to France to the Pas de Calais and onto the EuroTunnel just to avoid a grueling air flight or boat journey. -- TS 00:01, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I've removed uncited materials, and added cited information. I've also removed wp:or. The article as it stood made uncited claims, as well as creating original research by sythesizing conclusions from cited sources. Specifically, I've deleted statements about rail gauges, alternative access routes, possible sources of income, etc which are not cited from studies specific to the construction of the bridge -- Work permit ( talk) 05:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Please provide references to technical defficulty of guage differences that specifically discuss the proposed bering straight crossing-- Work permit ( talk) 04:14, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Again, I'm not debating that russia uses different guages. You need a reference that states this is a major issue, a minor issue, no issue, or any issue as it relates to the bering straight crossing.-- Work permit ( talk) 07:29, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I will try do do it or consider rubbing out this section. Of course, I can be wrong writing of incompatible sizes here. Presently, refernces to the facts of mentioned incompatibilities were only provided. Should I also proof that railway gauge is main factor that minimal diameter of the tube depends on (isn't this obvious)? Next question; is it not any issue at all (economical at least), the compatibility of two different rail systems? This makes some issue on CIS/EU ant the Spanish borders but there are no need for tunnels or bridges. On the other hand, existing railway tunnels, e.g. under Alps in Switzerland, connact railway systems with the same UIC-based dimensions. This can be referenced easily. I will take all critical remarks with pleasure. Algernon NS ( talk) 14:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
US and Canada should convert from 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) standard gauge to 5 ft 6 in (1,676 mm) Indian gauge and 25kV AC electrification before they have their high-speed trains.
121.102.47.39 ( talk) 04:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
North America got proposed by Russia. 121.102.47.39 ( talk) 04:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Russia plans the TKM-World Link and proposes the railway networks in Canada and the United States to convert from standard gauge to broad gauge. 121.102.47.39 ( talk) 05:00, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Bering Strait Tunnel should choose broad gauge at least Russian gauge. 121.102.122.122 ( talk) 02:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
180.199.55.183 ( talk) 08:48, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
180.199.61.236 ( talk) 13:09, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
180.199.48.200 ( talk) 05:01, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Enough! Don't post anymore. 180.199.43.152 ( talk) 04:52, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
"forces up to 5000 tons" tons is not a measurment for force. This should be converted to the International Newton of the USA/Burma/Liberia pound-force. 94.145.236.194 ( talk) 20:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Response to clarification for "forces up to 5000 tons or more" being meaningless - nobody's taken the bridge project to the point of computing design parameters exactly. Some preliminary data suggests up to 5000 tons of shear force. However, because it's a preliminary report, they want to include the possibility that forces might be higher. There won't be any more specific data until and unless someone decides they want to build the bridges. Economically, that seems unlikely. Thus, I would suggest the clarification needed tag be removed. 174.6.164.143 ( talk) 08:20, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
{{convert|5000|STf|kN lbf}}
. I am assuming short tons-force as above; change "STf" to "LTf" or "tf" if needed.I think we are beyond the point of calling this hypothetical.. The project has been approved and has been worked out in detail. I sugest we move to calling it "Planned" instead of "Hypothetical" .
83.101.83.88 ( talk) 17:41, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
The actual length of the bridge section of the Jiaozhou Bay Bridge is 26.7 km (16.16 mi). The 42 km figure applies to the entire Jiaozhou Bay Connection Project, not of all of which is a bridge. The Lake Pontchartrain Causeway is the longest continuous bridge. Roches ( talk) 06:41, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
It's occurred to me that drilling the tunnel would create a very large amount of waste rock, which would probably need to be pulled out of the ends of the tunnels. Have there been any plans on what to do with the waste rock? Ship it out through the rail to disposal areas? Dump it in the ocean around the entrances? Fill in the space between the Diomede islands? 98.127.119.21 ( talk) 07:23, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
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