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Mead, James G. 2007. Stomach Anatomy and Use in Defining Systemic Relationships of the Cetacean Family Ziphiidae (Beaked Whales). The Anatomical Record 290:581–595
This paper notes that the morphology and osteology of the two "species" are extremely similar and it is highly questionable if they actually should be considered separate.
Dalebout, Merel L. et al. 1998. Molecular genetic identification of southern hemisphere beaked whales (Cetacea: Ziphiidae). Molecular Ecology (7) 687-694
This paper notes that genetic differences between the species are less than some variance within other species.
This isn't a resolved issue, but since there is some considerable evidence that the two species are actually sub-species they should not be given separate articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.238.28 ( talk) 17:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Please do not redirect species to genera. All species deserve an article and the only reason to redirect is if the genus is monotypic. Since Berardius had two species already, Berardius minimus needed its own article. Abductive ( reasoning) 08:41, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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There's no mention at all of diet. What do they eat? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.156.214.18 ( talk) 05:18, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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I was reading through the physical description and noticed that some of the information wasn't cited. I also checked out the reference source used for the Arnoux's beaked whale, but I didn't see any mention of a size difference between dead and alive individuals. I decided to get rid of that information, and I added info about the Baird's that I found from the same site as the Arnoux's. I also got rid of the lengths mentioned in the lead so that it wouldn't contradict the whale lengths in the source that I added.–– Leodiaz97 ( talk) 13:21, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
"Giant beaked whales" seems appropriate as they are beaked whales, but inappropriate as the newly-recognized species is <7m long and not really giant. "Four-toothed whales" seems somewhat inappropriate as they are not toothed whales. "Four-toothed beaked whales" tends to the confusing. "Tsuchi-kujira" (=Berardius cetaceans) is specific and accurate, but still fairly rare in English; the term also gets used for B. bairdii as well as for the whole genus. Maybe plain "Berardius whales" would be best. At any rate, the name of this article is unsatisfactory. Suggestions welcome. HLHJ ( talk) 17:35, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
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Mead, James G. 2007. Stomach Anatomy and Use in Defining Systemic Relationships of the Cetacean Family Ziphiidae (Beaked Whales). The Anatomical Record 290:581–595
This paper notes that the morphology and osteology of the two "species" are extremely similar and it is highly questionable if they actually should be considered separate.
Dalebout, Merel L. et al. 1998. Molecular genetic identification of southern hemisphere beaked whales (Cetacea: Ziphiidae). Molecular Ecology (7) 687-694
This paper notes that genetic differences between the species are less than some variance within other species.
This isn't a resolved issue, but since there is some considerable evidence that the two species are actually sub-species they should not be given separate articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.238.28 ( talk) 17:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Please do not redirect species to genera. All species deserve an article and the only reason to redirect is if the genus is monotypic. Since Berardius had two species already, Berardius minimus needed its own article. Abductive ( reasoning) 08:41, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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There's no mention at all of diet. What do they eat? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.156.214.18 ( talk) 05:18, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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I was reading through the physical description and noticed that some of the information wasn't cited. I also checked out the reference source used for the Arnoux's beaked whale, but I didn't see any mention of a size difference between dead and alive individuals. I decided to get rid of that information, and I added info about the Baird's that I found from the same site as the Arnoux's. I also got rid of the lengths mentioned in the lead so that it wouldn't contradict the whale lengths in the source that I added.–– Leodiaz97 ( talk) 13:21, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
"Giant beaked whales" seems appropriate as they are beaked whales, but inappropriate as the newly-recognized species is <7m long and not really giant. "Four-toothed whales" seems somewhat inappropriate as they are not toothed whales. "Four-toothed beaked whales" tends to the confusing. "Tsuchi-kujira" (=Berardius cetaceans) is specific and accurate, but still fairly rare in English; the term also gets used for B. bairdii as well as for the whole genus. Maybe plain "Berardius whales" would be best. At any rate, the name of this article is unsatisfactory. Suggestions welcome. HLHJ ( talk) 17:35, 8 September 2019 (UTC)