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Climate Change and Global Energy Security: Technology and Policy Options by Marilyn A. Brown and Benjamin K. Sovacool; Reviewed by By Richard N. Cooper January/February 2012 Foreign Affairs 99.19.44.155 ( talk) 17:32, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
I added the inline "Not in citation given" tags (in the image caption) as I searched source but could find no mention of "Sovacool's high estimate" or "factor of three" or "off". I'm concerned there is inaccurate reporting or WP:OR here. I'm also concerned that the image caption is too long and complex. Johnfos ( talk) 01:16, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
I have to say that Yale study actually comes to figures which are different than the present 11-25 gCO2/kWh reported in the image caption. I would argue that 11-25 is more like cherry picking. Here is the original text: "After harmonizing methods to use consistent gross system boundaries and values for several important system parameters, the same statistics were 12, 17, and 110 g CO2 -eq/kWh, respectively." [3] and "Depending on conditions, median life cycle GHG emissions could be 9 to 110 g CO2 -eq/kWh by 2050" [4] Bernard ivo ( talk) 20:37, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
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Hello Wikipedia, seeing that this profile is about Prof Sovacool, somebody I know well, I thought I would correct a few errors and provide some updates. First, someone has asked for a citation for this claim: "He is the author or editor of thirteen books and more than 200 peer reviewed[citation needed] academic articles." Here is the citation: http://www.vermontlaw.edu/our_faculty/faculty_directory/benjamin_k_sovacool.htm
Second, and more seriously, you mention the quotation from the Beerten et al. study criticizing him, but you should read the entirety of their article. While the paragraph quote is indeed accurate, the CONCLUSION of the Beerten et al. study is almost the same as Sovacool, validating his findings. They conclude “The studies under consideration result in indirect emissions of around 8 and 58g CO2/kWhe and more than 110gCO2/ kWh." The mean of the low and high end of this range is 59 grams, very close to Sovacool’s 66 grams. You may also want to mention that while Beerten et al question Sovacool's methodology, more than two dozen other studies have praised it, and used it.
Third, in the side bar showing carbon emissions from nuclear power, Wikipedia notes that "However a 2012 study by Yale University did not arrive at the same conclusions as Sovacool, instead they found: "That life cycle GHG emissions from nuclear power are...comparable to renewable technologies."[5] Again, read this study closely. It also concludes that “Depending on conditions, median life cycle GHG emissions could be 9 to 110 g CO2-eq/kWh by 2050.” The mean of this low and high is 59.5 grams, very close to the 66 grams from Sovacool. This should be stated since it affirms Sovacool's research.
Fourth, in the same side bar, Wikipedia notes that "similarly an analysis by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2011 arrived at a 50th percentile value from nuclear power of 16 g of CO2 per kWh, Wind 12g & Solar 22g." Now, this comparison isn't fair because the IPCC study is using a different methodology that gives very low numbers for nuclear power sources. For instance, it excludes emissions from changes in land use, which means all the emissions with uranium mining and nuclear waste storage are excluded. That's why the numbers are much lower than Sovacools, and also why Sovacool's number is probably more complete, and accurate.
Fifth, there has been new research published in Environmental Science & Technology confirming Sovacool's numbers that should be acknowledged. That study, available here http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/es401667h, concludes that "when recent marginal capital and levelized costs are factored in for the United States, wind energy is 96 times more effective at displacing carbon than nuclear power; other renewable sources range from about 20 times to twice as effective." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.109.164.28 ( talk) 22:16, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Most appropriate integrated into the main article on this scholar DA Sonnenfeld ( talk) 13:40, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
First read here -> http://atomicinsights.com/sovacool-vs-lorenzini/ Jim Hansen "eviscerated him" in Environmental Science and Technology recently.
It was "delicious": Hansen pointed out that among other things, Sovacool confused the impact of a nuclear power plant with a nuclear war.
Environ. Sci. Technol., 2013, 47 (12), pp 6718–6719 http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es402211m — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.180.38 ( talk) 04:48, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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Climate Change and Global Energy Security: Technology and Policy Options by Marilyn A. Brown and Benjamin K. Sovacool; Reviewed by By Richard N. Cooper January/February 2012 Foreign Affairs 99.19.44.155 ( talk) 17:32, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
I added the inline "Not in citation given" tags (in the image caption) as I searched source but could find no mention of "Sovacool's high estimate" or "factor of three" or "off". I'm concerned there is inaccurate reporting or WP:OR here. I'm also concerned that the image caption is too long and complex. Johnfos ( talk) 01:16, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
I have to say that Yale study actually comes to figures which are different than the present 11-25 gCO2/kWh reported in the image caption. I would argue that 11-25 is more like cherry picking. Here is the original text: "After harmonizing methods to use consistent gross system boundaries and values for several important system parameters, the same statistics were 12, 17, and 110 g CO2 -eq/kWh, respectively." [3] and "Depending on conditions, median life cycle GHG emissions could be 9 to 110 g CO2 -eq/kWh by 2050" [4] Bernard ivo ( talk) 20:37, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
References
Hello Wikipedia, seeing that this profile is about Prof Sovacool, somebody I know well, I thought I would correct a few errors and provide some updates. First, someone has asked for a citation for this claim: "He is the author or editor of thirteen books and more than 200 peer reviewed[citation needed] academic articles." Here is the citation: http://www.vermontlaw.edu/our_faculty/faculty_directory/benjamin_k_sovacool.htm
Second, and more seriously, you mention the quotation from the Beerten et al. study criticizing him, but you should read the entirety of their article. While the paragraph quote is indeed accurate, the CONCLUSION of the Beerten et al. study is almost the same as Sovacool, validating his findings. They conclude “The studies under consideration result in indirect emissions of around 8 and 58g CO2/kWhe and more than 110gCO2/ kWh." The mean of the low and high end of this range is 59 grams, very close to Sovacool’s 66 grams. You may also want to mention that while Beerten et al question Sovacool's methodology, more than two dozen other studies have praised it, and used it.
Third, in the side bar showing carbon emissions from nuclear power, Wikipedia notes that "However a 2012 study by Yale University did not arrive at the same conclusions as Sovacool, instead they found: "That life cycle GHG emissions from nuclear power are...comparable to renewable technologies."[5] Again, read this study closely. It also concludes that “Depending on conditions, median life cycle GHG emissions could be 9 to 110 g CO2-eq/kWh by 2050.” The mean of this low and high is 59.5 grams, very close to the 66 grams from Sovacool. This should be stated since it affirms Sovacool's research.
Fourth, in the same side bar, Wikipedia notes that "similarly an analysis by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2011 arrived at a 50th percentile value from nuclear power of 16 g of CO2 per kWh, Wind 12g & Solar 22g." Now, this comparison isn't fair because the IPCC study is using a different methodology that gives very low numbers for nuclear power sources. For instance, it excludes emissions from changes in land use, which means all the emissions with uranium mining and nuclear waste storage are excluded. That's why the numbers are much lower than Sovacools, and also why Sovacool's number is probably more complete, and accurate.
Fifth, there has been new research published in Environmental Science & Technology confirming Sovacool's numbers that should be acknowledged. That study, available here http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/es401667h, concludes that "when recent marginal capital and levelized costs are factored in for the United States, wind energy is 96 times more effective at displacing carbon than nuclear power; other renewable sources range from about 20 times to twice as effective." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.109.164.28 ( talk) 22:16, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Most appropriate integrated into the main article on this scholar DA Sonnenfeld ( talk) 13:40, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
First read here -> http://atomicinsights.com/sovacool-vs-lorenzini/ Jim Hansen "eviscerated him" in Environmental Science and Technology recently.
It was "delicious": Hansen pointed out that among other things, Sovacool confused the impact of a nuclear power plant with a nuclear war.
Environ. Sci. Technol., 2013, 47 (12), pp 6718–6719 http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es402211m — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.180.38 ( talk) 04:48, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
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