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On 5 October, Buntz23 changed the population of the Beni Amer from 300,000 to 1.2 million, citing Lionel Trimmingham's Islam in Ethiopia & the CIA World Factbook. I reverted that change for two reasons: First, I could not find that number in either source. In fact, Trimmingham gives the much lower number of 90,000 individuals for Eritrea & Sudan together. Second, while I think these are both reliable sources, context matters: Trimmingham's book is seventy years old, which makes it a poor source for present population ( WP:AGE MATTERS). On 6 October, Buntz23 removed the population data from the reverted version with the comment 'Lacks citations to reliable sources.'. The sources cited are James Stuart Olson's The Peoples of Africa: An Ethnohistorical Dictionary (1996) & Henry Louis Gates & Kwame Anthony Appiah's Encyclopedia of Africa (2010). I checked both sources, & both contain the same 300,000 number. I'm not sure by what argument these would be discounted as WP:RELIABLE sources.
I'd like to be clear that I am very skeptical of this number, or even its knowability. Eritrea has never conducted a census. The last relevant Ethiopian census would have been from 1987, & I'm not sure whether or not it tracked ethnicity. I am not championing an argument that 300,000 is the right number. However, for Wikipedia's purposes, it seems to me that it is at present the only number drawn from reliable sources, & that we haven't seen a reliable source that contradicts it (either by claiming 1.2 million or by asserting that the number is unknowable). For this reason, I reverted that second change, restoring the 300,000 number. I've created this Talk page topic so that we can discuss source reliability if necessary. Pathawi ( talk) 14:52, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Beni Amer made up 60% ish of all Tigre people. Do the math and you get the population i added. Buntz23 ( talk) 07:27, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Its in Triminghams book. Tigre ppl are divided into sub-groups, Beni Amer, Bet Asgede, Marya and Mensa. In Triminghams book there is a census of all those sub-groups. You add all of their numbers together and the Beni Amer sub-group makes up around 60%. Buntz23 ( talk) 02:38, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
This is off topic, but i was wondering how do you add pictures on a Wikipedia page? You seem to be pretty experienced in Wikipedia. Buntz23 ( talk) 05:10, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
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On 5 October, Buntz23 changed the population of the Beni Amer from 300,000 to 1.2 million, citing Lionel Trimmingham's Islam in Ethiopia & the CIA World Factbook. I reverted that change for two reasons: First, I could not find that number in either source. In fact, Trimmingham gives the much lower number of 90,000 individuals for Eritrea & Sudan together. Second, while I think these are both reliable sources, context matters: Trimmingham's book is seventy years old, which makes it a poor source for present population ( WP:AGE MATTERS). On 6 October, Buntz23 removed the population data from the reverted version with the comment 'Lacks citations to reliable sources.'. The sources cited are James Stuart Olson's The Peoples of Africa: An Ethnohistorical Dictionary (1996) & Henry Louis Gates & Kwame Anthony Appiah's Encyclopedia of Africa (2010). I checked both sources, & both contain the same 300,000 number. I'm not sure by what argument these would be discounted as WP:RELIABLE sources.
I'd like to be clear that I am very skeptical of this number, or even its knowability. Eritrea has never conducted a census. The last relevant Ethiopian census would have been from 1987, & I'm not sure whether or not it tracked ethnicity. I am not championing an argument that 300,000 is the right number. However, for Wikipedia's purposes, it seems to me that it is at present the only number drawn from reliable sources, & that we haven't seen a reliable source that contradicts it (either by claiming 1.2 million or by asserting that the number is unknowable). For this reason, I reverted that second change, restoring the 300,000 number. I've created this Talk page topic so that we can discuss source reliability if necessary. Pathawi ( talk) 14:52, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Beni Amer made up 60% ish of all Tigre people. Do the math and you get the population i added. Buntz23 ( talk) 07:27, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Its in Triminghams book. Tigre ppl are divided into sub-groups, Beni Amer, Bet Asgede, Marya and Mensa. In Triminghams book there is a census of all those sub-groups. You add all of their numbers together and the Beni Amer sub-group makes up around 60%. Buntz23 ( talk) 02:38, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
This is off topic, but i was wondering how do you add pictures on a Wikipedia page? You seem to be pretty experienced in Wikipedia. Buntz23 ( talk) 05:10, 19 October 2022 (UTC)