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ban him —This unsigned comment was added by 194.83.233.3 ( talk • contribs) .
Quite. When was his world record surpassed by (presumably) non-steroidal means? - Ashley Pomeroy 10:57, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I'm a track fan and this is a very informative and interesting article. Well done. An encyclopedia entry doesn't have to be boring. Missaeagle —Preceding unsigned comment added by Missaeagle ( talk • contribs) 19:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm working on putting together sources for each quote/fact. Much of it is from Speed Trap, Inside Track and the CBC. This was the first article I wrote for Wikipedia, and I missed that aspect. If anyone can help, please feel free to add sources. Thanks. Yankees76 14:03, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I see a contradiction: "Gold" should read "bronze", otherwise it doesn't make sense in this passage: "In May 1987, Lewis’s father died of cancer and it was at the funeral that Lewis pulled from his pocket his gold medal from the Los Angeles 100 metres and put it in his father’s hands. “I want you to have this”, he said, “because it was your favorite event”. When his mother expressed her surprise, he said calmly: “Don’t worry, I’ll get another one”. 29 July 2006
Wow, this is an extremely dramatized and sensationalistic article. Sources are badly needed here. An example is:
How can we so baldly assert the facts of what was a private meeting of two people? Was this Francis' story, as would make sense since the article quotes from his book later? This should be stated.
The tone here is hardly encyclopaedic.
The dramatic value here -- the difference equalling exactly what was promised with steroids -- seems so perfect as to cast the original account of Francis/Johnson's meeting into doubt. -- Saforrest 17:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Just out of interest, what is to stop me deleting this whole article? I just googled one of the sentences from the article and came back with this article from The Times. Clearly there is major plagarism in this article. It might be best to delete the whole thing and start again from scratch. Here is another example. Many of the sentences are identical. It looks like this whole article is a cut and paste job from multiple sources. David D. (Talk) 19:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
It's just too hard to pick through and delete the plagarism sentence by sentence so i have deleted everything back to the source of the problem with this and subsequent edits. Sorry but it has to be this way. If I have deleted original work then please reinstate it. David D. (Talk) 20:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
It's purest idiocy to use censorship on quotes! "Don't tell me I cheated the system because that's [expletive]". That should be changed immeadiatly! In other respects the article is somewhat sentimental, but that's minor. Those who care enough, just change the stylistic solutions to create for a more neutral tone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.16.164 ( talk • contribs)
"This was the start of Lewis’ calling on the sport of track and field to be cleaned up in terms of the illegal use of performance-enhancing drugs. While cynics noted that the problem had been in the sport for many years" It doesn't make a person a cynic! That's ridiculous!
There was a claim that Carl Lewis tested positive and a citation to this article: http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/12/05/johnson-lewis-conspiracy.html which says no such thing. I have removed the false claim. (Of course someone could act a valid citation).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.220.98 ( talk) 01:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
In the following link, Ben Jhonson said that the drug was a conspiracy and was sneaked into his food.
http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/athletics/story/2008/05/16/f-olympics-athletics-benjohnson.html [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolsafe ( talk • contribs) 00:53, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I have added the POV-section tag. The discussion of the other (true or alleged) PED users is factually disputable and lacking in neutrality. There is, for instance, no proof of deliberate and non-trivial PED use in the case of Carl Lewis---a positive test notwithstanding. "Of these, only Johnson was forced to give up his records and his medals.", again, misses the point: Johnson was the only one to be tested as positive in the relevant championship (with some minor reservation for Christie), and everything went according to the rule-book. Christie's one clear-cut cheat occured some ten years later, e.g. Other similar examples exist. 94.220.247.12 ( talk) 17:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Nonetheless I have cleaned up the section to remove some of the obvious POV and attribute certain claims to invididuals, not to Wikipedia.-- Yankees76 ( talk) 22:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Is it just me or is there something about this story that comes across as a perfect failure? TonyMath ( talk) 20:32, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved by Danski454 who perhaps forgot to close the discussion :) — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 21:27, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
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ban him —This unsigned comment was added by 194.83.233.3 ( talk • contribs) .
Quite. When was his world record surpassed by (presumably) non-steroidal means? - Ashley Pomeroy 10:57, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I'm a track fan and this is a very informative and interesting article. Well done. An encyclopedia entry doesn't have to be boring. Missaeagle —Preceding unsigned comment added by Missaeagle ( talk • contribs) 19:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm working on putting together sources for each quote/fact. Much of it is from Speed Trap, Inside Track and the CBC. This was the first article I wrote for Wikipedia, and I missed that aspect. If anyone can help, please feel free to add sources. Thanks. Yankees76 14:03, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
I see a contradiction: "Gold" should read "bronze", otherwise it doesn't make sense in this passage: "In May 1987, Lewis’s father died of cancer and it was at the funeral that Lewis pulled from his pocket his gold medal from the Los Angeles 100 metres and put it in his father’s hands. “I want you to have this”, he said, “because it was your favorite event”. When his mother expressed her surprise, he said calmly: “Don’t worry, I’ll get another one”. 29 July 2006
Wow, this is an extremely dramatized and sensationalistic article. Sources are badly needed here. An example is:
How can we so baldly assert the facts of what was a private meeting of two people? Was this Francis' story, as would make sense since the article quotes from his book later? This should be stated.
The tone here is hardly encyclopaedic.
The dramatic value here -- the difference equalling exactly what was promised with steroids -- seems so perfect as to cast the original account of Francis/Johnson's meeting into doubt. -- Saforrest 17:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Just out of interest, what is to stop me deleting this whole article? I just googled one of the sentences from the article and came back with this article from The Times. Clearly there is major plagarism in this article. It might be best to delete the whole thing and start again from scratch. Here is another example. Many of the sentences are identical. It looks like this whole article is a cut and paste job from multiple sources. David D. (Talk) 19:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
It's just too hard to pick through and delete the plagarism sentence by sentence so i have deleted everything back to the source of the problem with this and subsequent edits. Sorry but it has to be this way. If I have deleted original work then please reinstate it. David D. (Talk) 20:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
It's purest idiocy to use censorship on quotes! "Don't tell me I cheated the system because that's [expletive]". That should be changed immeadiatly! In other respects the article is somewhat sentimental, but that's minor. Those who care enough, just change the stylistic solutions to create for a more neutral tone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.16.164 ( talk • contribs)
"This was the start of Lewis’ calling on the sport of track and field to be cleaned up in terms of the illegal use of performance-enhancing drugs. While cynics noted that the problem had been in the sport for many years" It doesn't make a person a cynic! That's ridiculous!
There was a claim that Carl Lewis tested positive and a citation to this article: http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2006/12/05/johnson-lewis-conspiracy.html which says no such thing. I have removed the false claim. (Of course someone could act a valid citation).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.220.98 ( talk) 01:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
In the following link, Ben Jhonson said that the drug was a conspiracy and was sneaked into his food.
http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/athletics/story/2008/05/16/f-olympics-athletics-benjohnson.html [3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolsafe ( talk • contribs) 00:53, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
I have added the POV-section tag. The discussion of the other (true or alleged) PED users is factually disputable and lacking in neutrality. There is, for instance, no proof of deliberate and non-trivial PED use in the case of Carl Lewis---a positive test notwithstanding. "Of these, only Johnson was forced to give up his records and his medals.", again, misses the point: Johnson was the only one to be tested as positive in the relevant championship (with some minor reservation for Christie), and everything went according to the rule-book. Christie's one clear-cut cheat occured some ten years later, e.g. Other similar examples exist. 94.220.247.12 ( talk) 17:35, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Nonetheless I have cleaned up the section to remove some of the obvious POV and attribute certain claims to invididuals, not to Wikipedia.-- Yankees76 ( talk) 22:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Is it just me or is there something about this story that comes across as a perfect failure? TonyMath ( talk) 20:32, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved by Danski454 who perhaps forgot to close the discussion :) — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 21:27, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
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