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Much of the material has been copied from the Occultopedia. It should be reworded. 163.1.159.21 13:48, 31 January 2005 (UTC)
Furthermore, not much thought has been given to the content of the article in the Occultopedia itself. There are typos and grammatical mistakes. I don't understand why his sacrificial offering being excrement is offered as a reason for his being difficult to conjure. Since excrement is a readily available material and easily acquired, I would have thought this counted towards making him easier - albeit unpleasant - to conjure. 163.1.159.21 13:54, 31 January 2005 (UTC)
Isn't there also some kind of metal band called Belphegor? http://www.belphegor.at/ perhaps they should have some mention somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.227.132.150 ( talk) 23:58, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
Is there a simbol or something that represents Belphegor I found this http://belphegor.sanguinis.net/themes/belph/images/title.jpg picture at that webcomic but I'm uncertain of its origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belphegor 666 ( talk • contribs) 17:40, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
>Should there be a link to Belphegor's mother, Necessity? :) njh 04:55, 4 September 2005 (UTC)<
Oops, admittedly I am not too interested in the Crowley - Magick line of thought. But I pray you where would I find out more about the the myth, or about Belphegor and Necessity.
Hmmm not a trace it seems in Mircea Eliade's history of religious ideas (Geschichte der religiösen Ideen). Just checked the index.
But concerning Belphegor Zappa came immediately to mind and thus: Necessity.
Nessecity is the Mother of Invention.
n'est pas?
LeaNder 16:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
There are 2 bands named Belfegore. One was a band from 1984 that would be considered alternative metal (New Wave similar sound to the Cult). Their basic one hit wonder is available through amazon on a compilation called Retro Active 4... funny enough the one song they are fameous for is called "All that I wanted" and it really seems to follow along with the bands name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.70.233.14 ( talk) 17:14, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL Addhoc 18:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that the External Links section leads to a webcomic and an artist's painting, both little known. Isn't there a rule against such promotion? I think a link to some website about Ars Goetia or some such work might be more appropriate. Squidvillanueva ( talk) 15:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Has Belphegor ever been mentioned in any translation/version of the Christian Bible? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.181.168.245 ( talk) 09:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I propose a merge of Belphegor in popular culture into Belphegor. Neither this article nor the "in popular culture" list, which was split ( diff) from this article in December 2008, is long enough to require splitting (3 KB and 4 KB, respectively) and the amount and depth of content does not seem to necessitate separate treatment of the topics. Comments?
I would like to leave the discussion open (and the merge tags on the articles) for 3–5 days in order to allow ample opportunity for interested editors to comment. Thank you, – Black Falcon ( talk) 07:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Stumpled upon this page http://www.neatorama.com/2012/03/15/belphegors-prime/ which talks about Belphegor's Prime:
Belphegor's Prime is a prime number - you know, a number greater than 1 that cannot be wholly divided by any other number besides 1 and itself. … But it's not just any prime number. … For one, it's a palindromic prime number. … Then, there's the 666 hiding among the zeroes: 1000000000000066600000000000001. … Also, there are 13 zeroes either side of the 666...
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.44.38.92 ( talk) 10:46, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Added this to the list of popular culture references to Belphegor. There are two books in the series so far and he is mentioned prominently in both. Is this enough material to justify mentioning it in this article? MAL, voracious reader ( talk) 09:02, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
According to some 16th-century demonologists, his power is stronger in April.
This claim (or, at least, very similar ones) pop up on a couple demon articles, but none of them are ever really sourced. To be fair, they're not exactly the most egregiously unsourced demonological assertions, but as I was interested in getting a complete list of the months' demons, I tried to find its origin.
Basically, this claim appears to be relatively prominent in recent, unsourced contexts, like personal blogs, clearly copy/pasted from some yet unknown original source. The list is a rather arbitrary collection of demons, including
Thammuz, which isn't found in many demonology texts. It doesn't seem to coordinate at all with any traditional grouping of demons; the closest I could find was the one from the
Book of Abramelin, which singles out eight of the twelve, but all other classification schemes listed on
Classification of demons spread out the "monthly demons" (with the exception of Thammuz, most of them are pretty standard and found in most texts) so there's no obvious source they'd be plucked from. Most of the monthly associations seem themselves haphazard, too, with few obvious parallels that someone might draw off of to establish why, for instance, Belial is considered stronger in January.
The earliest instance of some form of the list I could find is from the "Dictionary of Satanism," by Wade Baskin, which was published in 1972; that copy has some even odder demon choices, including
Hecate over
Asmodai for November--I can't find her listed with demons anywhere else. Unfortunately, that book either doesn't cite its sources or it does so somewhere I can't see, so I can't really find it anywhere earlier than that.
I'm saying all this rather than just deleting it because it has to have come from somewhere, and since I find it personally interesting I'd like to keep it in, so if anyone has any familiarity with the texts from the 16th century in which this system is supposedly revealed, I'm all ears. --
199.116.174.42 (
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20:05, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi, can you please include a section telling us how we can summon this demon, thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.12.80.218 ( talk) 13:52, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, demons aren't real, being children's stories we tell ourselves to excuse the evil that men do, and can't be summoned. Besides, if they did exist, do you think such a powerful creature belonging to a higher plane of existence could just be summoned at will by weaker beings to command it? Surely such powers could never exist. If one were able to summon a demon to do its bidding, what's stopping them from summoning an angel and making it due evil? Stop watching so many movies and actually pay attention to reality.
24.154.192.116 (
talk)
20:28, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
What does this mean? "He seduces people by suggesting to them ingenious inventions that will make them rich, stagnating that which could not be accredited to it." Kcomerfo ( talk) 18:13, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Do spirituality exists? 69.120.118.84 ( talk) 12:31, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Dad 2601:283:8003:D170:B804:15A4:9BE8:66E9 ( talk) 01:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
He seduces people by suggesting to them ingenious inventions that will make them rich, stagnating that which could not be accredited to it. 2601:14A:600:4130:5564:50F1:7379:BF8E ( talk) 13:56, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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Much of the material has been copied from the Occultopedia. It should be reworded. 163.1.159.21 13:48, 31 January 2005 (UTC)
Furthermore, not much thought has been given to the content of the article in the Occultopedia itself. There are typos and grammatical mistakes. I don't understand why his sacrificial offering being excrement is offered as a reason for his being difficult to conjure. Since excrement is a readily available material and easily acquired, I would have thought this counted towards making him easier - albeit unpleasant - to conjure. 163.1.159.21 13:54, 31 January 2005 (UTC)
Isn't there also some kind of metal band called Belphegor? http://www.belphegor.at/ perhaps they should have some mention somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.227.132.150 ( talk) 23:58, 14 June 2005 (UTC)
Is there a simbol or something that represents Belphegor I found this http://belphegor.sanguinis.net/themes/belph/images/title.jpg picture at that webcomic but I'm uncertain of its origin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belphegor 666 ( talk • contribs) 17:40, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
>Should there be a link to Belphegor's mother, Necessity? :) njh 04:55, 4 September 2005 (UTC)<
Oops, admittedly I am not too interested in the Crowley - Magick line of thought. But I pray you where would I find out more about the the myth, or about Belphegor and Necessity.
Hmmm not a trace it seems in Mircea Eliade's history of religious ideas (Geschichte der religiösen Ideen). Just checked the index.
But concerning Belphegor Zappa came immediately to mind and thus: Necessity.
Nessecity is the Mother of Invention.
n'est pas?
LeaNder 16:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
There are 2 bands named Belfegore. One was a band from 1984 that would be considered alternative metal (New Wave similar sound to the Cult). Their basic one hit wonder is available through amazon on a compilation called Retro Active 4... funny enough the one song they are fameous for is called "All that I wanted" and it really seems to follow along with the bands name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.70.233.14 ( talk) 17:14, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL Addhoc 18:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that the External Links section leads to a webcomic and an artist's painting, both little known. Isn't there a rule against such promotion? I think a link to some website about Ars Goetia or some such work might be more appropriate. Squidvillanueva ( talk) 15:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Has Belphegor ever been mentioned in any translation/version of the Christian Bible? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.181.168.245 ( talk) 09:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I propose a merge of Belphegor in popular culture into Belphegor. Neither this article nor the "in popular culture" list, which was split ( diff) from this article in December 2008, is long enough to require splitting (3 KB and 4 KB, respectively) and the amount and depth of content does not seem to necessitate separate treatment of the topics. Comments?
I would like to leave the discussion open (and the merge tags on the articles) for 3–5 days in order to allow ample opportunity for interested editors to comment. Thank you, – Black Falcon ( talk) 07:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Stumpled upon this page http://www.neatorama.com/2012/03/15/belphegors-prime/ which talks about Belphegor's Prime:
Belphegor's Prime is a prime number - you know, a number greater than 1 that cannot be wholly divided by any other number besides 1 and itself. … But it's not just any prime number. … For one, it's a palindromic prime number. … Then, there's the 666 hiding among the zeroes: 1000000000000066600000000000001. … Also, there are 13 zeroes either side of the 666...
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.44.38.92 ( talk) 10:46, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Added this to the list of popular culture references to Belphegor. There are two books in the series so far and he is mentioned prominently in both. Is this enough material to justify mentioning it in this article? MAL, voracious reader ( talk) 09:02, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
According to some 16th-century demonologists, his power is stronger in April.
This claim (or, at least, very similar ones) pop up on a couple demon articles, but none of them are ever really sourced. To be fair, they're not exactly the most egregiously unsourced demonological assertions, but as I was interested in getting a complete list of the months' demons, I tried to find its origin.
Basically, this claim appears to be relatively prominent in recent, unsourced contexts, like personal blogs, clearly copy/pasted from some yet unknown original source. The list is a rather arbitrary collection of demons, including
Thammuz, which isn't found in many demonology texts. It doesn't seem to coordinate at all with any traditional grouping of demons; the closest I could find was the one from the
Book of Abramelin, which singles out eight of the twelve, but all other classification schemes listed on
Classification of demons spread out the "monthly demons" (with the exception of Thammuz, most of them are pretty standard and found in most texts) so there's no obvious source they'd be plucked from. Most of the monthly associations seem themselves haphazard, too, with few obvious parallels that someone might draw off of to establish why, for instance, Belial is considered stronger in January.
The earliest instance of some form of the list I could find is from the "Dictionary of Satanism," by Wade Baskin, which was published in 1972; that copy has some even odder demon choices, including
Hecate over
Asmodai for November--I can't find her listed with demons anywhere else. Unfortunately, that book either doesn't cite its sources or it does so somewhere I can't see, so I can't really find it anywhere earlier than that.
I'm saying all this rather than just deleting it because it has to have come from somewhere, and since I find it personally interesting I'd like to keep it in, so if anyone has any familiarity with the texts from the 16th century in which this system is supposedly revealed, I'm all ears. --
199.116.174.42 (
talk)
20:05, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi, can you please include a section telling us how we can summon this demon, thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.12.80.218 ( talk) 13:52, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, demons aren't real, being children's stories we tell ourselves to excuse the evil that men do, and can't be summoned. Besides, if they did exist, do you think such a powerful creature belonging to a higher plane of existence could just be summoned at will by weaker beings to command it? Surely such powers could never exist. If one were able to summon a demon to do its bidding, what's stopping them from summoning an angel and making it due evil? Stop watching so many movies and actually pay attention to reality.
24.154.192.116 (
talk)
20:28, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
What does this mean? "He seduces people by suggesting to them ingenious inventions that will make them rich, stagnating that which could not be accredited to it." Kcomerfo ( talk) 18:13, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Do spirituality exists? 69.120.118.84 ( talk) 12:31, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Dad 2601:283:8003:D170:B804:15A4:9BE8:66E9 ( talk) 01:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
He seduces people by suggesting to them ingenious inventions that will make them rich, stagnating that which could not be accredited to it. 2601:14A:600:4130:5564:50F1:7379:BF8E ( talk) 13:56, 18 September 2022 (UTC)