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Shouldn't we explicitly say that this was the big Catholic team? And shouldn't we say this for other Northern Ireland teams, when appropriate? We discuss sectarianism straight out in Celtic F.C., for instance. john k 23:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
In terms of support Belfast Celtic was mainly Catholic but in terms of players and other staff it was mixed. It might be slightly misleading to describe them as the "big Catholic team" as in Scotland only Rangers can really be described teams representing one religion whereas in Northern Ireland many teams are closely associated with one religion.
Belfast Celtic were the 'big Catholic team' that represented thousands of working class Roman Catholics in South/West Belfast, just as Linfield were the 'big Protestant team' a stones throw away. I see no harm in this being mentioned as it was a factior that distinctly defined both teams.
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It would be more accurate to use the terms "nationalist" and "unionist". Celtic was not a Catholic team - there were many Protestant supporters not to mention players and staff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Browalfrid ( talk • contribs) 13:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Terms like glory days and the mighty are pov and we be removed from this article ( Gnevin 12:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC))
OK we can agree on the correct terminology for the mighty. We should get someone from where you suggested to decide on the other point.
Have asked at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Request_of_meditation ( Gnevin 22:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC))
Belfast Celtic spent as long in all ireland league than they did in a strictly northern irish league. As they were a successful team in both setups it is only fair that the term Irish Football remains as it describes the island as a whole rather than a setup that the team spent less than half its existence in.
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Jimmy Jones broke his legs when he vountarily jumped into the terracing from the elevated pitch at Windsor Park. Alex Russell the Linfield goalkeeper offered to accompany him from the pitch but Jones declined his offer.I was there. 94.197.151.79 ( talk) 18:56, 21 November 2011 (UTC)ref></ref>
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The match on 29 May 1949 was not against the Scotland national team. It was part of a North American tour by an S.F.A. XI side. See the webpage ( http://www.rsssf.com/tablesb/britishfatours.html ) for an explanation of what the Scottish FA XI was. As the webpage says, "The touring teams varied in strength over the years - on some occasions the teams were virtually identical to the full national teams in terms of personnel, but it must be emphasized that even in those cases, the matches were not recognized as full internationals, and no caps were awarded." The Scottish FA XI sides (like their English, Welsh and Irish FA counterparts) went on tours, usually abroad, which sometimes included quite a number of matches. Unlike the national teams, they played mainly against club and local representative sides; only occasionally playing international teams. When the FA XIs went overseas, the tours were sometimes wrongly advertised as visits by the full international teams of Scotland, England or Wales and their opponents often believed that this was who they were playing against. Some countries recorded official international matches against 'England' or 'Scotland' that were actually against English FA and Scottish FA XI sides but then removed them in the 1980s, when they discovered that their opponents had not actually been international teams.. I suspect that the Australian national team were quite pleased to be able to expunge from their official record their 17-0 defeat by 'England' on 30 June, 1951! The exception to this rule is the USA's match against 'Scotland' on 19 June, 1949 on Randall's Island. This involved the same Scottish FA XI squad that had lost to Belfast Celtic three weeks earlier at the same stadium. For some reason, the U.S. Football Association continues to list this as an official international match against Scotland. I fear that there is little point in trying to correct the misinformation in this article because there are still many published sources that wrongly list Scottish FA and English FA XI games as Scotland and England full international matches; which would give users cause for dispute and 'edit wars'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.209.194 ( talk) 17:04, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
I have removed from the article the statement that Scotland have never played a club side since losing to Belfast Celtic because, although the cited source makes this claim, it is erroneous. As can be seen on this page - Scotland national football team results (unofficial matches) - Scotland/the SFA XI have played 19 matches against club sides since the one against Belfast Celtic. They played Sunderland AFC in 1953; Kilmarnock, Hibernian and Falkirk in 1954; Rangers, Heart of Midlothian, IFK Eskilstuna and Hibernian in 1958; Tottenham Hotspur in 1964; Leicester City in 1966; Coventry City in 1977; Rangers and Middlesbrough in 1978; Celtic and Grupo Despotivo Torralta (twice) in 1982; Los Angeles Heat and Hollywood Kickers in 1986; and Dundee United in 2002. Of those 19 matches, they won 10, drew 4 and lost 5. Of Scotland's 3 matches against club sides before the Belfast Celtic match, they won 2 and lost 1. Scotland's total record (as detailed on the Wikipedia article linked above) against club sides: won 12, drew 4, lost 7. 188.28.134.20 ( talk)
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Shouldn't we explicitly say that this was the big Catholic team? And shouldn't we say this for other Northern Ireland teams, when appropriate? We discuss sectarianism straight out in Celtic F.C., for instance. john k 23:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
In terms of support Belfast Celtic was mainly Catholic but in terms of players and other staff it was mixed. It might be slightly misleading to describe them as the "big Catholic team" as in Scotland only Rangers can really be described teams representing one religion whereas in Northern Ireland many teams are closely associated with one religion.
Belfast Celtic were the 'big Catholic team' that represented thousands of working class Roman Catholics in South/West Belfast, just as Linfield were the 'big Protestant team' a stones throw away. I see no harm in this being mentioned as it was a factior that distinctly defined both teams.
____________
It would be more accurate to use the terms "nationalist" and "unionist". Celtic was not a Catholic team - there were many Protestant supporters not to mention players and staff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Browalfrid ( talk • contribs) 13:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Terms like glory days and the mighty are pov and we be removed from this article ( Gnevin 12:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC))
OK we can agree on the correct terminology for the mighty. We should get someone from where you suggested to decide on the other point.
Have asked at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Request_of_meditation ( Gnevin 22:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC))
Belfast Celtic spent as long in all ireland league than they did in a strictly northern irish league. As they were a successful team in both setups it is only fair that the term Irish Football remains as it describes the island as a whole rather than a setup that the team spent less than half its existence in.
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Jimmy Jones broke his legs when he vountarily jumped into the terracing from the elevated pitch at Windsor Park. Alex Russell the Linfield goalkeeper offered to accompany him from the pitch but Jones declined his offer.I was there. 94.197.151.79 ( talk) 18:56, 21 November 2011 (UTC)ref></ref>
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The match on 29 May 1949 was not against the Scotland national team. It was part of a North American tour by an S.F.A. XI side. See the webpage ( http://www.rsssf.com/tablesb/britishfatours.html ) for an explanation of what the Scottish FA XI was. As the webpage says, "The touring teams varied in strength over the years - on some occasions the teams were virtually identical to the full national teams in terms of personnel, but it must be emphasized that even in those cases, the matches were not recognized as full internationals, and no caps were awarded." The Scottish FA XI sides (like their English, Welsh and Irish FA counterparts) went on tours, usually abroad, which sometimes included quite a number of matches. Unlike the national teams, they played mainly against club and local representative sides; only occasionally playing international teams. When the FA XIs went overseas, the tours were sometimes wrongly advertised as visits by the full international teams of Scotland, England or Wales and their opponents often believed that this was who they were playing against. Some countries recorded official international matches against 'England' or 'Scotland' that were actually against English FA and Scottish FA XI sides but then removed them in the 1980s, when they discovered that their opponents had not actually been international teams.. I suspect that the Australian national team were quite pleased to be able to expunge from their official record their 17-0 defeat by 'England' on 30 June, 1951! The exception to this rule is the USA's match against 'Scotland' on 19 June, 1949 on Randall's Island. This involved the same Scottish FA XI squad that had lost to Belfast Celtic three weeks earlier at the same stadium. For some reason, the U.S. Football Association continues to list this as an official international match against Scotland. I fear that there is little point in trying to correct the misinformation in this article because there are still many published sources that wrongly list Scottish FA and English FA XI games as Scotland and England full international matches; which would give users cause for dispute and 'edit wars'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.209.194 ( talk) 17:04, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
I have removed from the article the statement that Scotland have never played a club side since losing to Belfast Celtic because, although the cited source makes this claim, it is erroneous. As can be seen on this page - Scotland national football team results (unofficial matches) - Scotland/the SFA XI have played 19 matches against club sides since the one against Belfast Celtic. They played Sunderland AFC in 1953; Kilmarnock, Hibernian and Falkirk in 1954; Rangers, Heart of Midlothian, IFK Eskilstuna and Hibernian in 1958; Tottenham Hotspur in 1964; Leicester City in 1966; Coventry City in 1977; Rangers and Middlesbrough in 1978; Celtic and Grupo Despotivo Torralta (twice) in 1982; Los Angeles Heat and Hollywood Kickers in 1986; and Dundee United in 2002. Of those 19 matches, they won 10, drew 4 and lost 5. Of Scotland's 3 matches against club sides before the Belfast Celtic match, they won 2 and lost 1. Scotland's total record (as detailed on the Wikipedia article linked above) against club sides: won 12, drew 4, lost 7. 188.28.134.20 ( talk)