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Fengtai Railway Station - what's that? Another name for Beijing West or Beijing South, or yet another terminal being built somewhere in Fengtain District? -- Vmenkov ( talk) 02:01, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Any information about the ticket prices and whrer to book in the internet??? ++-- 84.73.123.149 ( talk) 12:44, 27 December 2012 (UTC)--++
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20110721000006&cid=1101
Is it really necessary/relevant?! David ( talk) 18:02, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
More importantly: what is it supposed to show? How is this a comparison to the Beijing-Guangzhou railway? Explanation is lacking so right now it's just confusing. Skrofler ( talk) 19:16, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
No it's not ridiculous. This is the English wiki. The native wiki of the UK, USA, Canada, Australia, and the other English Speaking countries. Of those only the US is the appropriate one to put the distance in context for this particular language specific wiki's readers. Distance is a main feature of this subject and making that accessible in terms the local readership can quickly grasp is a service not a chauvinism. 72.228.190.243 ( talk) 01:54, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I think this thread is moot/closed, when it was opened there was only a schematic map of the route in China, now there's a large geographic map. 72.228.190.243 ( talk) 06:36, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
New York City, to Key West. No diagram, just a few similar citations for North Am, South Am, Europe, Africa.
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124.188.33.97聽( talk聽路 contribs) wishes to introduce the idea that this a "Chinese system clearly based on Japanese technology". Are there any citations for this information? 螞蠀未 伪 c喂蟿纬 07:52, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I would like to hear about the underlying technologies, manufacturers, innovations, and performance limits. More than 'this is a really fast train that goes places'.
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Oh, and some photographs interior/exterior.
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1. Since the rail line is high speed, how much time does it take between two cities, and how much time did the conventional train take? I want a comparison, please. 2. When the train goes around a corner, does it bank or angle? How sharp is the banking? Is there a photo of the train going around a corner? Markewilliams ( talk) 05:17, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Both the high-speed and "conventional" trains leaving Beijing toward Guangzhou are all listed in the schedule for Beijing West: http://qq.ip138.com/train/beijing/beijingxi.htm . One of the fastest high-speed trains on this route would be G79:
arrive depart time from start 1 鍖椾含瑗 -- 10:00 00:00 - Beijing West 2 鐭冲搴 11:07 11:09 01:07 - Shijiazhuang 3 閮戝窞涓 12:30 12:33 02:30 - Zhengzhou East 4 姝︽眽 14:17 14:20 04:17 - Wuhan 5 闀挎矙鍗 15:38 15:41 05:38 - Changsha South 6 骞垮窞鍗 17:59 - 07:59 - Guangzhou South
On the "conventional" line, one of the fastest trains would be T15:
arrive depart time km from start 1 鍖椾含瑗 -- 11:01 00:00 0 km Beijing West 2 閮戝窞 16:34 16:40 05:33 689 km Zhengzhou 3 姝︽槍 21:10 21:16 10:09 1225 km Wuchang 4 闀挎矙 00:29 00:35 13:28 1587 km Changsha 5 骞垮窞 07:32 -- 20:31 2294 km Guangzhou
To go to Shenzhen, it takes extra 38 min on the high-speed line ( G71 between Guangzhou South and Shenzhen North), or 1 h 40 min on a "conventional" T95 (between Guangzhou and Shenzhen).
Physically, it is probably possible to run trains on the old Beijing-Guangzhou and Guangzhou-Shenzhen line somewhat faster than today's fastest T-trains. I seem to recall that they in fact had some D-series trains run on parts of the "traditional" line before the corresponding segments of new high-speed line had been opened.
Note that the site does not have the exact mileage for the high-speed line; but it is known to be somewhat shorter than the old line. -- Vmenkov ( talk) 00:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Wrong for two reasons. Firstly Hong Kong may be a Special Administrative Region but it is still part of China so the line does not cross a national border. Secondly, there are High-Speed lines between Lille (France) and the outskirts of Brussels (Belgium) and between the region of Antwerp (Belgium) and Amsterdam (Netherlands).--Williamgeorgefraser 15:33, 1 January 2013 (UTC) 鈥 Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgeorgefraser ( talk 鈥 contribs)
The future Shenzhen-Kowloon segment certainly will cross an immigration/customs border, although between two jurisdictions that are under the same national government. (This is somewhat analogous to transportation e.g. between the Northern Mariana Islands and the mainland USA, at least pre-2009; while NMI is a US colony, it used to have its own immigration law - and even now the US Congress creates special immigration rules for the islands, different from the rest of the USA - so Aga帽a-Honoloulu flights have to be handled much like international flights with respect to migration controls). But this is not completely unique world-wide: Eurostar passengers also have to cross a customs and immigration border between the UK and the Schengen space. I believe that Russia and Finland are also running a high-speed service of some kind (probably more akin to a Chinese D-train on an upgraded "conventional" line than to the Jingguang HSR) across their shared border as well.
What is more interesting than arguing about definitions is actually finding out how customs and immigration formalities will be done on the Shenzhen鈥揔ong Kong HSR. (And how they are done with today's Guangzhou-Hong Kong trains, for that matter). I suppose HKSAR can run both entry and exit controls at their Kowloon station, since the trains won't stop anywhere else within HKSAR. But where would the mainland entry and exit checks be conducted? If the HK-mainland trains were simply running non-stop to a single mainland stations (such as GZ South or Beijing West), it would be easy enough to run the controls at that station. But if a train from HK is actually to run all the way to Beijing like a domestic train, with half a dozen stops along the line, then things would become complicated. Having the train stop on the border for an hour or more would largely defeat the purpose of direct HSR service; while having the train arrive to a "segregated" "international platform" at every station from Shenzhen to Beijing West would be messy. Of course, having the mainland immigration/customs service set up a preclearance station in Kowloon would be most logical, but that may cause other problems, more of political nature... (And how would you do mainland exit checks this way?). It would be interesting if they'll manage to run checks on the running train, the way some European countries do... -- Vmenkov ( talk) 21:47, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I think it would be quite useful to cover these arrangements (if not in this article, then in the specific article on the HK-GZ link). I assume there are some published sources, online or otherwise. -- Vmenkov ( talk) 22:40, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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Fengtai Railway Station - what's that? Another name for Beijing West or Beijing South, or yet another terminal being built somewhere in Fengtain District? -- Vmenkov ( talk) 02:01, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
Any information about the ticket prices and whrer to book in the internet??? ++-- 84.73.123.149 ( talk) 12:44, 27 December 2012 (UTC)--++
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20110721000006&cid=1101
Is it really necessary/relevant?! David ( talk) 18:02, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
More importantly: what is it supposed to show? How is this a comparison to the Beijing-Guangzhou railway? Explanation is lacking so right now it's just confusing. Skrofler ( talk) 19:16, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
No it's not ridiculous. This is the English wiki. The native wiki of the UK, USA, Canada, Australia, and the other English Speaking countries. Of those only the US is the appropriate one to put the distance in context for this particular language specific wiki's readers. Distance is a main feature of this subject and making that accessible in terms the local readership can quickly grasp is a service not a chauvinism. 72.228.190.243 ( talk) 01:54, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I think this thread is moot/closed, when it was opened there was only a schematic map of the route in China, now there's a large geographic map. 72.228.190.243 ( talk) 06:36, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
New York City, to Key West. No diagram, just a few similar citations for North Am, South Am, Europe, Africa.
Mark Bestland (
talk)
21:16, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
124.188.33.97聽( talk聽路 contribs) wishes to introduce the idea that this a "Chinese system clearly based on Japanese technology". Are there any citations for this information? 螞蠀未 伪 c喂蟿纬 07:52, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I would like to hear about the underlying technologies, manufacturers, innovations, and performance limits. More than 'this is a really fast train that goes places'.
Mark Bestland (
talk)
21:25, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Oh, and some photographs interior/exterior.
Mark Bestland (
talk)
21:34, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
1. Since the rail line is high speed, how much time does it take between two cities, and how much time did the conventional train take? I want a comparison, please. 2. When the train goes around a corner, does it bank or angle? How sharp is the banking? Is there a photo of the train going around a corner? Markewilliams ( talk) 05:17, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Both the high-speed and "conventional" trains leaving Beijing toward Guangzhou are all listed in the schedule for Beijing West: http://qq.ip138.com/train/beijing/beijingxi.htm . One of the fastest high-speed trains on this route would be G79:
arrive depart time from start 1 鍖椾含瑗 -- 10:00 00:00 - Beijing West 2 鐭冲搴 11:07 11:09 01:07 - Shijiazhuang 3 閮戝窞涓 12:30 12:33 02:30 - Zhengzhou East 4 姝︽眽 14:17 14:20 04:17 - Wuhan 5 闀挎矙鍗 15:38 15:41 05:38 - Changsha South 6 骞垮窞鍗 17:59 - 07:59 - Guangzhou South
On the "conventional" line, one of the fastest trains would be T15:
arrive depart time km from start 1 鍖椾含瑗 -- 11:01 00:00 0 km Beijing West 2 閮戝窞 16:34 16:40 05:33 689 km Zhengzhou 3 姝︽槍 21:10 21:16 10:09 1225 km Wuchang 4 闀挎矙 00:29 00:35 13:28 1587 km Changsha 5 骞垮窞 07:32 -- 20:31 2294 km Guangzhou
To go to Shenzhen, it takes extra 38 min on the high-speed line ( G71 between Guangzhou South and Shenzhen North), or 1 h 40 min on a "conventional" T95 (between Guangzhou and Shenzhen).
Physically, it is probably possible to run trains on the old Beijing-Guangzhou and Guangzhou-Shenzhen line somewhat faster than today's fastest T-trains. I seem to recall that they in fact had some D-series trains run on parts of the "traditional" line before the corresponding segments of new high-speed line had been opened.
Note that the site does not have the exact mileage for the high-speed line; but it is known to be somewhat shorter than the old line. -- Vmenkov ( talk) 00:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Wrong for two reasons. Firstly Hong Kong may be a Special Administrative Region but it is still part of China so the line does not cross a national border. Secondly, there are High-Speed lines between Lille (France) and the outskirts of Brussels (Belgium) and between the region of Antwerp (Belgium) and Amsterdam (Netherlands).--Williamgeorgefraser 15:33, 1 January 2013 (UTC) 鈥 Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamgeorgefraser ( talk 鈥 contribs)
The future Shenzhen-Kowloon segment certainly will cross an immigration/customs border, although between two jurisdictions that are under the same national government. (This is somewhat analogous to transportation e.g. between the Northern Mariana Islands and the mainland USA, at least pre-2009; while NMI is a US colony, it used to have its own immigration law - and even now the US Congress creates special immigration rules for the islands, different from the rest of the USA - so Aga帽a-Honoloulu flights have to be handled much like international flights with respect to migration controls). But this is not completely unique world-wide: Eurostar passengers also have to cross a customs and immigration border between the UK and the Schengen space. I believe that Russia and Finland are also running a high-speed service of some kind (probably more akin to a Chinese D-train on an upgraded "conventional" line than to the Jingguang HSR) across their shared border as well.
What is more interesting than arguing about definitions is actually finding out how customs and immigration formalities will be done on the Shenzhen鈥揔ong Kong HSR. (And how they are done with today's Guangzhou-Hong Kong trains, for that matter). I suppose HKSAR can run both entry and exit controls at their Kowloon station, since the trains won't stop anywhere else within HKSAR. But where would the mainland entry and exit checks be conducted? If the HK-mainland trains were simply running non-stop to a single mainland stations (such as GZ South or Beijing West), it would be easy enough to run the controls at that station. But if a train from HK is actually to run all the way to Beijing like a domestic train, with half a dozen stops along the line, then things would become complicated. Having the train stop on the border for an hour or more would largely defeat the purpose of direct HSR service; while having the train arrive to a "segregated" "international platform" at every station from Shenzhen to Beijing West would be messy. Of course, having the mainland immigration/customs service set up a preclearance station in Kowloon would be most logical, but that may cause other problems, more of political nature... (And how would you do mainland exit checks this way?). It would be interesting if they'll manage to run checks on the running train, the way some European countries do... -- Vmenkov ( talk) 21:47, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I think it would be quite useful to cover these arrangements (if not in this article, then in the specific article on the HK-GZ link). I assume there are some published sources, online or otherwise. -- Vmenkov ( talk) 22:40, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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