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I think this section can safely be removed entirely, since it appears to be equivalent with its master article, Beer style. Does anyone oppose the removal of this section, leaving a BRIEF description and a link to Beer style? Shaggorama 11:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
What about the consumption of beer making one obese? Is this true, or a fairy tale? Maybe someone should write a small paragraph about it. -- Michiel Sikma 23:49, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Where is the taste? I am surprised to note that in the whole beer project there isn't a single mention of the art of beer tasting, or any guide on how to taste beer, leave alone how to organise a beer tasting. I am not refering to an experts guide but information that anyone can use.
I feel that information on how to taste beer is worth its very own wiki document. I am passionate about this topic as I am associated with a site that focuses on it, namely http://www.tastebeer.com.au. Example articles: How to taste beer and Discover the truth about beer taste.
I am not asking to use tastebeer.com.au as a reference but I feel that a beer tasting document (or at least a section) should exist that provides visitors with information about beer tasting. I am looking for your input - I've never started a wiki document myself but if there're no takers on this subject I'll shall give it a try myself. Wyxel 07:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
This list is serves little purpose - the top link Beer and nationality goes to a similar list. If people wanted to gain specific details on beer within a country they could follow that link. And at least 12 of the countries listed are blind links. I suggest this section is cut. SilkTork 23:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
The article is getting much too long and there are way too many sections. I have moved the history section to a
separate article. A short text should be entered here (under History) and 2 pictures have been removed that could be put back.
Piet
15:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I've moved Rating Beer to this page. There are still too many sections. Piet 15:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Made a section "Beer culture". I hope I did't break too much while restructuring. I will stop for now. There are still too many sections. Can "Etymology" and "Mythology" go to History of beer? "Ingredients" belong under "Brewing". Does History of beer need to be renamed? I think Beer brewing could be a separate article, so that section could be cleaned up. Then this article could have a clean structure, with a main article for each of these sections:
Hmm, "Related beverages" can go to "Varieties" I think. "Health effects" does not really fit under "Beer culture". Please give some feedback as I have been a bit bold. Piet 16:10, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I have requested a peer review - see top. Piet 13:20, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Forgive me if I missed it, but does this article discuss alcohol content anywhere. I've heard that 18% is the highest that can be achieved without distillation. Any thoughts?-- Hraefen 05:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
White labe claims to ave a yeast capable of 25% ABV. Here is the link. http://www.whitelabs.com/beer/homebrew_super.html
As well as any alcoholic drink for that matter?
(--snip diatribe about family breakups, drunk driving accidents, et al.--)
Besides, when more and more better things to do get invented (i.e. Holodecks and especially Syntheholic beverages), why should we still need actual beer and beveragic alcohol? -- Shultz III 02:48, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Is this section needed? SamSmithBeer
Could we shorten the intro and move some of the information provided there into the rest of the article so that beer better conforms to FA status? Leppy 17:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
banks's highgate ale abbots ale
What kind of rational thinking person would allow themselves by drinking this slop? Beer kills brain cells, damages the liver, and causes addiction almost instantly. People who drink make me sick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.65.231.218 ( talk • contribs)
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All the best,
Ξxtreme Unction|
yakkity yak
21:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
What's up with the introduction? It seems all wrong to me... 65.101.172.161 22:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Beer is man's gift to society. Beer is cold, refreshing, and oh so good; especially after a long or hard day. One of the most important attributes about beer is that it brings people together.
Might I suggest that Hogarth's eigtheenth-century engraving Beer Lane [1] should be included in the article if someone can show that it fits the copyright requirements etc. I think it is a very iconic image and one which immediately came to mind. Furthermore there is the precedent of the article on Gin which makes use of Hogarth's Gin Alley. SCRA5071 12:53, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
someone has seen themselves important enough to remove this section. presumably they do not have a disease that one in a hundred of us have which means we cannot drink beer that is not gluten free. Thanks for that. How socially isolating do you think it is to be unable to eat out, unable to go on holiday, unable to go for a beer. Shall we just crawl into a hole and die? Or would you like to replace an important part of the article you have removed?
I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO TELL THIS GUY ! NOT MY WEBSITE ! Has it registered yet ? IT IS NOT MY WEBSITE. Please stop making that claim ! User:wikwobble
I replaced the item, being very important to some of us, and it has since been edited. Whilst I may agree or disagree with the choice of editing, that's tough luck for me. What I appreciate is not having valid content wiped off, but being worked upon and (hopefully) improved. And it is not for me to say whether it is or is not better. I think it is important to note the difference between editing, and narrow-minded casting aside of an important subject which is pertinent to to the main section on beer (then linked to another section, in the same way as lager is). I also indicate to anyone reading, what is endanger of becoming a petty squabble, that there are a number of external sources listed, none of which I removed, and a link to an external non-commercial resource is very different to the existing link to Boddingtons, specifically, whether or not I would personally like to drink a pint of it. Unfortunatly, for many millions of us, that is not an option. Yet note, that link remains undeleted by myself.
SilkTork has not replied to any of my recent comments but has since replaced the section on gf beer with a blatant mistruth (that the gluten intolerent "can't drink beer"). Can I request that those who rework this section remain positive? Even if not positive, honest?
User:wikwobble by the way, I have corrected the eror.
I have changed the page such that there is mention of gluten free beer as a type of beer. Which it is. I have added to SEE ALSO
gluten free beer which makes sense on a page about beer. And under external links I have put glutenfreebeerfestival as a site which reviews beers - which it does.
Please note that This is not my site, no matter what another user keeps ranting.
If anyone (specifically those who seem to think they own this page) wants to change these modest edits, perhaps they can explain why any of these three items are not appropriate? It is a type of beer, it is a relevant "see also", it is a site that reviews beers.
Deletion without comment would be very rude, wouldn't it ? That's why I have not done it !
User:wikwobble
I think I can help to clear up some of this dispute. In a way you're both right. Beer is made with barley. And as far as my understanding goes, someone who can't have gluten, can't have barley. On the other hand, many "beers" are made today without barley. A fine example here in Wisconsin, is New Grist, made by Lakefront Brewery in Milwaukee. They market this beer especially for celiacs, and I've tried it. It's not bad. But in the literal definiton of Beer, it does'nt qualify. I don refer to it as beer, however, and I have no problem moving forward from past classifications, and calling that here, maybe with a side note. What does everyone else think?
Seanmcpherson1
02:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Dear all, I have today done a little bit of reorganising. I just felt that the article, while full of good information, was a bit of a hotch-potch. Looking at my edits, I'm still not happy but not sure where to go. Can other wikipedians help with the Styles of Beer section, and also with how to further tidy up the rest of the article. Cheers Duncshine 16:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
This page said that beer bellies are considered to be due to over eating rather than the consumption of beer. It was my understanding that most scientists beleive Beer Bellies are due to alcohol's action in cellular metabolism. I understood that it inhibited the immediate use of fats in metabolism, and caused them to be stored instead. I also understood that heavy drinking of any alcoholic beverage on a regular basis could cause a beer belly. Please correct me if i am wrong.
Most beer is about 200KCal per pint. So if you consume more KCal than you use you will gain weight. Simple maths and biology; if you put more in a tank than you take it it fills up. However, it is generallly thought that excess food consumption is likely to be the primary cause of a pot belly than having a few pints the occational night - and perhaps most importantly the 1000KCal kabab or pizza you have on your way home from the pub. 199.4.27.1 12:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
There is a section on gluten free beer, above. Perhaps the last editor did not read it? Please do so now. If you cannot rationalise the edits (ie, answer the three points above), why should I not reverse them? Before I do, you now have the opportunity to deal with the issues. Why for example, would you want one beer review site but not another? What makes one valid and one invalid? Are you connected in any way with one of them? Do you lack perspective? You will note that my above comments accompanied my additions to the page. It seems only polite to include comments here when you brush them aside. Or is that only me? User:wikwobble
Right, lets take this one step at a time. Please respond to this attempt to communicate. I shall insert the link to glutenfreebeerfestival.com as a special interest site. It keeps getting deleted. It IS a special interest for beer, is it not? If not, it does review beers, so it can go in "beer review sites", can't it? Before you delete it, please consider which place it should go - one or the other, eh? Or give me some rationale for leaving the other links in? User:wikwobble
Can someone who knows what this is trying to say please clear it up?
As almost any substance containing carbohydrates, namely sugar or starch, it can naturally undergo fermentation, it is likely that beer-like beverages were independently invented among various cultures throughout the world.
Kisch 02:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Ah yes, should have seen that. It just read very oddly. Thanks. Kisch 01:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
The Clany Brothers did a song called Beer, Beer, Beer and it claims that a guy named Charlie Marx invented beer. Of course, this is not true but I want to know more about this Charlie Marx guy.
Please see Beer bread. This article is currently in need of more internal links. What are your thoughts for adding this into the main entry in an appropriate section?-- Saintlink 23:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
A discussion document has been opened up. Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer/Notability Criteria. Please put in your views either on the main page or on the attached talk page. If we want to list every brewery on the planet then I feel we should get some valid criteria behind us. SilkTork 16:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't "skunked" beer be in the article? Here's a good reference: " Chemists Determine Cause of "Skunky" Beer," Scientific American, 22 October 2001:
So maybe someone should add this. -- SafeLibraries 02:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I've put the GA & FA type tags into a folder reached at the top of the talk page. However, I'm not sure if this is correct procedure. Some of the links didn't work, so I had to manually insert the old content. I'm wondering if I've done the right thing. SilkTork 18:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
The opening paragraph is a bit of a mess. It should be a brief intro to what beer is, not a discussion of whether or not American IPA and English IPA should be considered different styles. That kind of thing can be included in a section on beer styles later in the article. It's got no place in the intro. Murphykieran 20:19, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't wine pwn beer by a few thousand years? The ancient romans [3] and Egyptians [http://www.touregypt.net/magazine/mag11012000/magf2.htm] drinked wine. I think that should be changed, and added to the wine article. dposse 20:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Current research does indicate that beer predates wine by as much as two thousand years. Early grapes were not able to produce wine. But if the article hasn't cited sources then you are right in deleting the information. However, it would be wrong to move unsourced information over to other articles. STAN
I took out the line about stouts having less calories than other beers. Sure, some dry Irish Stouts may have less, but the vast majority have the same or more as a typical beer.
"British ale tends to average 4.4%" Has anyone got a source for this official looking little fact, because I just averaged the first 15 ale bottles from my beer bottle collection and came up with 5.1% abv. Of the 15 only one was below the quoted 4.4% abv, I know its not exactly an exhaustive survey but I would certainly question what is written in the article.-- Pypex 23:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Wow, that's really scientific! And you do beer articles? No wonder the beer information on Wiki is so bad. How much do you actually know about British beer? Obviously very little. And your idea of research is to look at 15 beer bottles, when the majority of British ale is consumed in the cask. If you can't do better than that, then perhaps you should give up adding to the beer articles and go do something else. 4.4% is widely considered to be the average. Check out this years GBBF beer list - something a little more comprehensive than a few bottles! STAN
According to the Statistical Handbook of the British Beer and Pub Association the average strength of all beer sold in the UK was 4.15% in 2002-2003. In 2002, the 58.3% of beer sold in pubs broke down like this:
I reckon this puts the average strength of British ale definitely below 4.4% ABV, probably 4% ABV at most.
The average strength given for Belgian beer - 8% abv - is also way out. 70% of beer sold in Belgium is Pils of around 5% abv. Only about 11% of sales in Belgium is of the stronger types - Trappist, Abbey and Strong Golden. These are the official figures from the Belgian brewers´ organisation. You can find them here: http://www.beerparadise.be/emc.asp?pageId=630#Table_3
I don't know of any educated beer brewers or drinkers who make a distinction between beers based solely on color. I mean, it's possible to classify fruit according to color, but I don't think it's a particularly useful distinction unless you're an interior decorator. But maybe you folks in Forn Parts(tm) do things differently. Ξxtreme Unction| yakkity yak 03:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I must say I agree! 'Dark' is not a style of beer it is a characteristic. There are fantastic simple texts on beer that could be referenced to create a list of styles. Charlie Papazian's 'Joy of HomeBrewing' lists the major modern styles and I would guess he would be considered an authority on the subject. -Matt
This section seems a bit heavy. How about replacing some of it with a link to the Open Directory Project category? (Specifically, {{dmoz|Recreation/Food/Drink/Beer/|Beer}}) — Wrathchild ( talk) 13:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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The exact meaning of the word "lager" differs by culture. The German word "lager" is equivalent to the Czech "ležák", meaning a beer which has a long "lagering phase". Most Czech beers (specifically, all the pale varieties) are what would be described in the UK as "lager", but (in terms of volmue consumed) most are not "ležák"
I have removed the patent nonsense "While some drinkers in Britain may prefer their ale to be served in pewter tankards..."
We live in the 21st century. Even if you brought your own pewter tankard, the pub would refuse to pour beer into it for fear of prosecution under health and safety legislation (pewter is an alloy of lead and tin, both highly toxic metals).
Who makes up these ridiculous claims?
An anonymous editor added the following text in a new section. Please add whatever should be kept to the appropriate section under "serving". — goethean ॐ 19:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
This information is already on the main Cask Ale page - though without the mistakes. A cask is not identical to a keg. SilkTork 21:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
While the Sumerians have 6000 year old evidence of beer brewing I've read that evidence for wine brewing was found at the neolithic Woodhenge site in England. Probably the productin of mead predates all agriculture whether of grain nor grapes. Trilobitealive 02:52, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I would like to edit the section on strength to read as follows. Please offer suggestions and objections here. (This is a pretty significant overhaul of the strength section, so I don't want to do it without running it by people first.) I would also like to change the section title to "Alcoholic Strength", since "strength" is a bit coloquial. Other title suggestions are welcome.
I like this better than the previous section because it focuses on general facts rather than minutia that look like a Guiness Book of Records entry. Also, it reads like a section rather than a list a fact about ABV. philosofool 04:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
This article pays far too little attention the economics of beer. What are market shares like for different beers? How much of the world's beer is craft beer, how much not? What are the economics facts of beer like in the Europe and in the U.S.? Do Belgians drink more "belgian beer" or Stella? This article is mostly very good on the subject of beer, but it is clearly written by enthusiasts who are more interested in good beer than beer. 72.211.157.32 23:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The article is in British English. For consistency the whole article should be in British English. The guideline is here: [4]. Mistakes will happen. However, corrections back into British English should not be reverted. SilkTork 18:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the 1st two images, Dutch_beers.jpg & Cask_Ales.jpg are not of higher quality as an article of this nature should contain. 1) Images only shows Dutch beers, it should be collection of world's beers, at least beers from a variety of major/traditional beer producing regions. 2) the background is not that atheistically pleasing. 3) Is not set in a table or in a bar.
The second images, just seems to be happy snap of one the authors who happens to be drinking beer. Sure the author might have done good work in contributing towards the article, but that pic should not be in there.
The pic should be replaced w/ pic of beer (glass & bottle etc) or show people drinking beer at a pub/bar (not the bar's basement) etc.
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I think this section can safely be removed entirely, since it appears to be equivalent with its master article, Beer style. Does anyone oppose the removal of this section, leaving a BRIEF description and a link to Beer style? Shaggorama 11:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
What about the consumption of beer making one obese? Is this true, or a fairy tale? Maybe someone should write a small paragraph about it. -- Michiel Sikma 23:49, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Where is the taste? I am surprised to note that in the whole beer project there isn't a single mention of the art of beer tasting, or any guide on how to taste beer, leave alone how to organise a beer tasting. I am not refering to an experts guide but information that anyone can use.
I feel that information on how to taste beer is worth its very own wiki document. I am passionate about this topic as I am associated with a site that focuses on it, namely http://www.tastebeer.com.au. Example articles: How to taste beer and Discover the truth about beer taste.
I am not asking to use tastebeer.com.au as a reference but I feel that a beer tasting document (or at least a section) should exist that provides visitors with information about beer tasting. I am looking for your input - I've never started a wiki document myself but if there're no takers on this subject I'll shall give it a try myself. Wyxel 07:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
This list is serves little purpose - the top link Beer and nationality goes to a similar list. If people wanted to gain specific details on beer within a country they could follow that link. And at least 12 of the countries listed are blind links. I suggest this section is cut. SilkTork 23:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
The article is getting much too long and there are way too many sections. I have moved the history section to a
separate article. A short text should be entered here (under History) and 2 pictures have been removed that could be put back.
Piet
15:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I've moved Rating Beer to this page. There are still too many sections. Piet 15:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Made a section "Beer culture". I hope I did't break too much while restructuring. I will stop for now. There are still too many sections. Can "Etymology" and "Mythology" go to History of beer? "Ingredients" belong under "Brewing". Does History of beer need to be renamed? I think Beer brewing could be a separate article, so that section could be cleaned up. Then this article could have a clean structure, with a main article for each of these sections:
Hmm, "Related beverages" can go to "Varieties" I think. "Health effects" does not really fit under "Beer culture". Please give some feedback as I have been a bit bold. Piet 16:10, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I have requested a peer review - see top. Piet 13:20, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Forgive me if I missed it, but does this article discuss alcohol content anywhere. I've heard that 18% is the highest that can be achieved without distillation. Any thoughts?-- Hraefen 05:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
White labe claims to ave a yeast capable of 25% ABV. Here is the link. http://www.whitelabs.com/beer/homebrew_super.html
As well as any alcoholic drink for that matter?
(--snip diatribe about family breakups, drunk driving accidents, et al.--)
Besides, when more and more better things to do get invented (i.e. Holodecks and especially Syntheholic beverages), why should we still need actual beer and beveragic alcohol? -- Shultz III 02:48, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Is this section needed? SamSmithBeer
Could we shorten the intro and move some of the information provided there into the rest of the article so that beer better conforms to FA status? Leppy 17:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
banks's highgate ale abbots ale
What kind of rational thinking person would allow themselves by drinking this slop? Beer kills brain cells, damages the liver, and causes addiction almost instantly. People who drink make me sick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.65.231.218 ( talk • contribs)
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All the best,
Ξxtreme Unction|
yakkity yak
21:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
What's up with the introduction? It seems all wrong to me... 65.101.172.161 22:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Beer is man's gift to society. Beer is cold, refreshing, and oh so good; especially after a long or hard day. One of the most important attributes about beer is that it brings people together.
Might I suggest that Hogarth's eigtheenth-century engraving Beer Lane [1] should be included in the article if someone can show that it fits the copyright requirements etc. I think it is a very iconic image and one which immediately came to mind. Furthermore there is the precedent of the article on Gin which makes use of Hogarth's Gin Alley. SCRA5071 12:53, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
someone has seen themselves important enough to remove this section. presumably they do not have a disease that one in a hundred of us have which means we cannot drink beer that is not gluten free. Thanks for that. How socially isolating do you think it is to be unable to eat out, unable to go on holiday, unable to go for a beer. Shall we just crawl into a hole and die? Or would you like to replace an important part of the article you have removed?
I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO TELL THIS GUY ! NOT MY WEBSITE ! Has it registered yet ? IT IS NOT MY WEBSITE. Please stop making that claim ! User:wikwobble
I replaced the item, being very important to some of us, and it has since been edited. Whilst I may agree or disagree with the choice of editing, that's tough luck for me. What I appreciate is not having valid content wiped off, but being worked upon and (hopefully) improved. And it is not for me to say whether it is or is not better. I think it is important to note the difference between editing, and narrow-minded casting aside of an important subject which is pertinent to to the main section on beer (then linked to another section, in the same way as lager is). I also indicate to anyone reading, what is endanger of becoming a petty squabble, that there are a number of external sources listed, none of which I removed, and a link to an external non-commercial resource is very different to the existing link to Boddingtons, specifically, whether or not I would personally like to drink a pint of it. Unfortunatly, for many millions of us, that is not an option. Yet note, that link remains undeleted by myself.
SilkTork has not replied to any of my recent comments but has since replaced the section on gf beer with a blatant mistruth (that the gluten intolerent "can't drink beer"). Can I request that those who rework this section remain positive? Even if not positive, honest?
User:wikwobble by the way, I have corrected the eror.
I have changed the page such that there is mention of gluten free beer as a type of beer. Which it is. I have added to SEE ALSO
gluten free beer which makes sense on a page about beer. And under external links I have put glutenfreebeerfestival as a site which reviews beers - which it does.
Please note that This is not my site, no matter what another user keeps ranting.
If anyone (specifically those who seem to think they own this page) wants to change these modest edits, perhaps they can explain why any of these three items are not appropriate? It is a type of beer, it is a relevant "see also", it is a site that reviews beers.
Deletion without comment would be very rude, wouldn't it ? That's why I have not done it !
User:wikwobble
I think I can help to clear up some of this dispute. In a way you're both right. Beer is made with barley. And as far as my understanding goes, someone who can't have gluten, can't have barley. On the other hand, many "beers" are made today without barley. A fine example here in Wisconsin, is New Grist, made by Lakefront Brewery in Milwaukee. They market this beer especially for celiacs, and I've tried it. It's not bad. But in the literal definiton of Beer, it does'nt qualify. I don refer to it as beer, however, and I have no problem moving forward from past classifications, and calling that here, maybe with a side note. What does everyone else think?
Seanmcpherson1
02:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Dear all, I have today done a little bit of reorganising. I just felt that the article, while full of good information, was a bit of a hotch-potch. Looking at my edits, I'm still not happy but not sure where to go. Can other wikipedians help with the Styles of Beer section, and also with how to further tidy up the rest of the article. Cheers Duncshine 16:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
This page said that beer bellies are considered to be due to over eating rather than the consumption of beer. It was my understanding that most scientists beleive Beer Bellies are due to alcohol's action in cellular metabolism. I understood that it inhibited the immediate use of fats in metabolism, and caused them to be stored instead. I also understood that heavy drinking of any alcoholic beverage on a regular basis could cause a beer belly. Please correct me if i am wrong.
Most beer is about 200KCal per pint. So if you consume more KCal than you use you will gain weight. Simple maths and biology; if you put more in a tank than you take it it fills up. However, it is generallly thought that excess food consumption is likely to be the primary cause of a pot belly than having a few pints the occational night - and perhaps most importantly the 1000KCal kabab or pizza you have on your way home from the pub. 199.4.27.1 12:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
There is a section on gluten free beer, above. Perhaps the last editor did not read it? Please do so now. If you cannot rationalise the edits (ie, answer the three points above), why should I not reverse them? Before I do, you now have the opportunity to deal with the issues. Why for example, would you want one beer review site but not another? What makes one valid and one invalid? Are you connected in any way with one of them? Do you lack perspective? You will note that my above comments accompanied my additions to the page. It seems only polite to include comments here when you brush them aside. Or is that only me? User:wikwobble
Right, lets take this one step at a time. Please respond to this attempt to communicate. I shall insert the link to glutenfreebeerfestival.com as a special interest site. It keeps getting deleted. It IS a special interest for beer, is it not? If not, it does review beers, so it can go in "beer review sites", can't it? Before you delete it, please consider which place it should go - one or the other, eh? Or give me some rationale for leaving the other links in? User:wikwobble
Can someone who knows what this is trying to say please clear it up?
As almost any substance containing carbohydrates, namely sugar or starch, it can naturally undergo fermentation, it is likely that beer-like beverages were independently invented among various cultures throughout the world.
Kisch 02:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Ah yes, should have seen that. It just read very oddly. Thanks. Kisch 01:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
The Clany Brothers did a song called Beer, Beer, Beer and it claims that a guy named Charlie Marx invented beer. Of course, this is not true but I want to know more about this Charlie Marx guy.
Please see Beer bread. This article is currently in need of more internal links. What are your thoughts for adding this into the main entry in an appropriate section?-- Saintlink 23:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
A discussion document has been opened up. Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer/Notability Criteria. Please put in your views either on the main page or on the attached talk page. If we want to list every brewery on the planet then I feel we should get some valid criteria behind us. SilkTork 16:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't "skunked" beer be in the article? Here's a good reference: " Chemists Determine Cause of "Skunky" Beer," Scientific American, 22 October 2001:
So maybe someone should add this. -- SafeLibraries 02:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I've put the GA & FA type tags into a folder reached at the top of the talk page. However, I'm not sure if this is correct procedure. Some of the links didn't work, so I had to manually insert the old content. I'm wondering if I've done the right thing. SilkTork 18:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
The opening paragraph is a bit of a mess. It should be a brief intro to what beer is, not a discussion of whether or not American IPA and English IPA should be considered different styles. That kind of thing can be included in a section on beer styles later in the article. It's got no place in the intro. Murphykieran 20:19, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't wine pwn beer by a few thousand years? The ancient romans [3] and Egyptians [http://www.touregypt.net/magazine/mag11012000/magf2.htm] drinked wine. I think that should be changed, and added to the wine article. dposse 20:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Current research does indicate that beer predates wine by as much as two thousand years. Early grapes were not able to produce wine. But if the article hasn't cited sources then you are right in deleting the information. However, it would be wrong to move unsourced information over to other articles. STAN
I took out the line about stouts having less calories than other beers. Sure, some dry Irish Stouts may have less, but the vast majority have the same or more as a typical beer.
"British ale tends to average 4.4%" Has anyone got a source for this official looking little fact, because I just averaged the first 15 ale bottles from my beer bottle collection and came up with 5.1% abv. Of the 15 only one was below the quoted 4.4% abv, I know its not exactly an exhaustive survey but I would certainly question what is written in the article.-- Pypex 23:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Wow, that's really scientific! And you do beer articles? No wonder the beer information on Wiki is so bad. How much do you actually know about British beer? Obviously very little. And your idea of research is to look at 15 beer bottles, when the majority of British ale is consumed in the cask. If you can't do better than that, then perhaps you should give up adding to the beer articles and go do something else. 4.4% is widely considered to be the average. Check out this years GBBF beer list - something a little more comprehensive than a few bottles! STAN
According to the Statistical Handbook of the British Beer and Pub Association the average strength of all beer sold in the UK was 4.15% in 2002-2003. In 2002, the 58.3% of beer sold in pubs broke down like this:
I reckon this puts the average strength of British ale definitely below 4.4% ABV, probably 4% ABV at most.
The average strength given for Belgian beer - 8% abv - is also way out. 70% of beer sold in Belgium is Pils of around 5% abv. Only about 11% of sales in Belgium is of the stronger types - Trappist, Abbey and Strong Golden. These are the official figures from the Belgian brewers´ organisation. You can find them here: http://www.beerparadise.be/emc.asp?pageId=630#Table_3
I don't know of any educated beer brewers or drinkers who make a distinction between beers based solely on color. I mean, it's possible to classify fruit according to color, but I don't think it's a particularly useful distinction unless you're an interior decorator. But maybe you folks in Forn Parts(tm) do things differently. Ξxtreme Unction| yakkity yak 03:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I must say I agree! 'Dark' is not a style of beer it is a characteristic. There are fantastic simple texts on beer that could be referenced to create a list of styles. Charlie Papazian's 'Joy of HomeBrewing' lists the major modern styles and I would guess he would be considered an authority on the subject. -Matt
This section seems a bit heavy. How about replacing some of it with a link to the Open Directory Project category? (Specifically, {{dmoz|Recreation/Food/Drink/Beer/|Beer}}) — Wrathchild ( talk) 13:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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The exact meaning of the word "lager" differs by culture. The German word "lager" is equivalent to the Czech "ležák", meaning a beer which has a long "lagering phase". Most Czech beers (specifically, all the pale varieties) are what would be described in the UK as "lager", but (in terms of volmue consumed) most are not "ležák"
I have removed the patent nonsense "While some drinkers in Britain may prefer their ale to be served in pewter tankards..."
We live in the 21st century. Even if you brought your own pewter tankard, the pub would refuse to pour beer into it for fear of prosecution under health and safety legislation (pewter is an alloy of lead and tin, both highly toxic metals).
Who makes up these ridiculous claims?
An anonymous editor added the following text in a new section. Please add whatever should be kept to the appropriate section under "serving". — goethean ॐ 19:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
This information is already on the main Cask Ale page - though without the mistakes. A cask is not identical to a keg. SilkTork 21:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
While the Sumerians have 6000 year old evidence of beer brewing I've read that evidence for wine brewing was found at the neolithic Woodhenge site in England. Probably the productin of mead predates all agriculture whether of grain nor grapes. Trilobitealive 02:52, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I would like to edit the section on strength to read as follows. Please offer suggestions and objections here. (This is a pretty significant overhaul of the strength section, so I don't want to do it without running it by people first.) I would also like to change the section title to "Alcoholic Strength", since "strength" is a bit coloquial. Other title suggestions are welcome.
I like this better than the previous section because it focuses on general facts rather than minutia that look like a Guiness Book of Records entry. Also, it reads like a section rather than a list a fact about ABV. philosofool 04:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
This article pays far too little attention the economics of beer. What are market shares like for different beers? How much of the world's beer is craft beer, how much not? What are the economics facts of beer like in the Europe and in the U.S.? Do Belgians drink more "belgian beer" or Stella? This article is mostly very good on the subject of beer, but it is clearly written by enthusiasts who are more interested in good beer than beer. 72.211.157.32 23:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The article is in British English. For consistency the whole article should be in British English. The guideline is here: [4]. Mistakes will happen. However, corrections back into British English should not be reverted. SilkTork 18:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the 1st two images, Dutch_beers.jpg & Cask_Ales.jpg are not of higher quality as an article of this nature should contain. 1) Images only shows Dutch beers, it should be collection of world's beers, at least beers from a variety of major/traditional beer producing regions. 2) the background is not that atheistically pleasing. 3) Is not set in a table or in a bar.
The second images, just seems to be happy snap of one the authors who happens to be drinking beer. Sure the author might have done good work in contributing towards the article, but that pic should not be in there.
The pic should be replaced w/ pic of beer (glass & bottle etc) or show people drinking beer at a pub/bar (not the bar's basement) etc.