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The citations given cover the whole paragraph to which they are appended. So I am wondering what needs to be improved. Is there are problem with the reliability of the current sources or do you think that more sources are needed? Yworo ( talk) 11:08, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
I've marked the England section as contradictory, in regards to the factuality of Elizabethan beard law. Both claims are cited, however, the contradiction is at best only "explained" by a phrase which should not be used in an encyclopedic article, as it is essentially an editor comment:
In 1535, King Henry VIII of England, who wore a beard himself, introduced a tax on beards. The tax was a graduated tax, varying with the wearer's social position. His daughter, Elizabeth I of England, reintroduced the beard tax, taxing every beard of more than two weeks' growth.
While quotations about this exist on the internet, in the absence of a primary source citation, this should not be taken as fact. The sumptuary law published in Elizabeth's reign makes no mention of beards.
I'm not sure how to resolve this. djr13 ( talk) 00:22, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35997919
Claims online that a beard tax was introduced by Henry VIII in 1535, and again later by his daughter Elizabeth I, do not seem to be backed up by contemporary documents, beard historian Dr Alun Withey says.
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I'm still trying to figure out if this was satire or an actual proposal, so in the meantime, I'm of mind to preserve this only on the Talk page Carter ( talk) 21:10, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
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Tcr25, this is silly: "The most well documented beard tax was in place in Russia during the 18th century". And you also removed the stub banner, signaling that this article is at least somewhat representative of the general topic, but the content is the same: there was a beard tax in Russia, and there are cock and bull stories about there having been one in England. That is it. Drmies ( talk) 13:52, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
If the English tax existed, it was merely a typical "sumptuary law" to raise revenue. By contrast, the Russian tax was enacted as part of Peter the Great's reforms to drag Russia into Western European style modernity, so it had a serious purpose. AnonMoos ( talk) 22:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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The citations given cover the whole paragraph to which they are appended. So I am wondering what needs to be improved. Is there are problem with the reliability of the current sources or do you think that more sources are needed? Yworo ( talk) 11:08, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
I've marked the England section as contradictory, in regards to the factuality of Elizabethan beard law. Both claims are cited, however, the contradiction is at best only "explained" by a phrase which should not be used in an encyclopedic article, as it is essentially an editor comment:
In 1535, King Henry VIII of England, who wore a beard himself, introduced a tax on beards. The tax was a graduated tax, varying with the wearer's social position. His daughter, Elizabeth I of England, reintroduced the beard tax, taxing every beard of more than two weeks' growth.
While quotations about this exist on the internet, in the absence of a primary source citation, this should not be taken as fact. The sumptuary law published in Elizabeth's reign makes no mention of beards.
I'm not sure how to resolve this. djr13 ( talk) 00:22, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35997919
Claims online that a beard tax was introduced by Henry VIII in 1535, and again later by his daughter Elizabeth I, do not seem to be backed up by contemporary documents, beard historian Dr Alun Withey says.
172.251.75.106 ( talk) 06:34, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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I'm still trying to figure out if this was satire or an actual proposal, so in the meantime, I'm of mind to preserve this only on the Talk page Carter ( talk) 21:10, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
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Tcr25, this is silly: "The most well documented beard tax was in place in Russia during the 18th century". And you also removed the stub banner, signaling that this article is at least somewhat representative of the general topic, but the content is the same: there was a beard tax in Russia, and there are cock and bull stories about there having been one in England. That is it. Drmies ( talk) 13:52, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
If the English tax existed, it was merely a typical "sumptuary law" to raise revenue. By contrast, the Russian tax was enacted as part of Peter the Great's reforms to drag Russia into Western European style modernity, so it had a serious purpose. AnonMoos ( talk) 22:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)