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There should be a reference to, description of, or at the very least link to playoff beard in this article.
I'm a young man with a beard :) i grew mine for two reasons - to look older and also my face droops slightly from the stroke that crippled me not long after birth and the beard helps hide that.
PMelvilleAustin 18:52 Feb 8, 2003 (UTC)
Would someone please get rid of that disgusting beard pic on the page and replace it with a picture that's more attractive? Acornlord 13:57, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Maybe it is just traditional, in which case a specific citation would not be necessary, but that Greek quote about being neither a boy nor a woman really sounds like it was said by someone specifically. Anyone know if this is the case? Zhankfor
No, not of the chin, but of the topic- could the article be expanded with more discussion of the significance of beards in other places, since there's currently quite a bit on the U.S.? FZ 22:11, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There ought to be more discussion of of the influence of politics and religion on the hair and beard. Charles Mackay's Extraordinary popular delusions and the madness of crowds [1] is in the public domain and portions could certainly be summarized here. Gdr 17:26, 2004 Aug 12 (UTC)
Why does there have to be a picture of the One Thousand Beards book? It looks like an advertisement. Also, there is another book by Helen Bunkin called Beards, Beards, Beards that has received very high reviews and is to be the first of two, but it is not listed. I have taken the liberty of adding it. [[User:Whiskers| whiskers (talk)]] 23:54, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I don't believe that this is the place to talk about women and facial hair. My reasoning follows.
A mention of women and facial hair is made on Facial hair and links directing interested readers direct them to the appropriate page, Bearded woman. Also, I have added appropriate links under 'See also' on Beard and Moustache. Before I created that page and moved the relevant information that had previously been here, the link 'Bearded woman' automatically redirected to Hirsutism. This is not fair, as what is commonly believed to be a beard on a woman is not a beard at all, but simply dark body hair. This new page allows us to discuss the subject sensitively and scientifically, before sending the reader off on a journey into disease and disorder.
The famed bearded women of the circus sideshows were usually fakes. In a few rare cases, it is a case of Hirsutism or an even rarer genetic disorder, for which a page does not yet exist (but links on Bearded woman and Hirsutism do, should anyone care to research the topic). This is not an attempt at segregation. Here we are not talking of female authors, where it makes little sense to segregate them and their works, but of curiosities and medical disorders specific to women. There are men with breasts, too (gynecomastia), but we would surely not talk about them on a page devoted to mothers and infant feeding, or to buxom blondes on the silver screen.
Furthermore, to have a natural male feature discussed in the same breath as hormonal imbalances and sideshow freaks is a gross disrespect to manhood. This furthers the distaste for things male and manly that has crept into modern society. It is often the case today that one does not refer to men as men, but as people. To be a man has become something androgynous and sexless, as if it were something freakish to be diluted, hidden and ashamed of. These pages, Beard, Moustache, Goatee, Sideburns etc ought to be done in honour of men and manhood. It is a subject of male pride.
[[User:Whiskers| whiskers (talk)]] 06:35, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I just happened to catch the last 15 minutes of Dr. Phil after work today. Cher was on briefly. Talk was about her still being single and the difficulties she has with relationships - being a star and all. She said that she was looking for a "person." She did not say she is looking for a man. Refer to my comments above under 'Women and Facial Hair'. This is exactly what I am referring to. [[User:Whiskers| whiskers (talk)]] 03:23, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Is a French beard same as the goatee ? Jay 15:10, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I think the picture is excellent. Who ever this man is I would be proud to meet. Of course I have quite a full beard my self. Family photo found at
http://www.livethewordministries.info/modules.php?name=whoweare
taken back in June. As anyone who has a full beard knows you certainly get a range of looks from poeple when they first see you. From happy to afraid and all points in between. The man that is speaking so negatively should put his own mug up if he thinks that one is sooo bad. :)
I was very happy to find another site (this site) with information on beards. This one definately goes into more detail than
mine. Thanks!
Gary
I would like to see a picture of what i think is one of the greatest beards in history, Karl Marx on this page. I think it really captures what a giagantic beard looks like.
Such a long article, I've only skimmed it for now, but it neglects the word pogonology which seems entirely fitting: the study of beards. -- Elijah 02:26, 2004 Dec 10 (UTC)
I'm inclined to agree, as I came to this article specifically looking for that word! Added. Mule Man 20:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
What is a section related to christianity doing in an article about beards?
Yeah, the article only talks about beards in christianity and no other religion. That's pretty partial. Either remove that section or things about beards in other religions should also be written.
Well, then make it balanced by adding something yourself. Add whatever other religions viewpoint on beards that you find appropriate. Someone already has stepped up to the plate from the Christian perspective - what's your contribution going to be?
Beard is also a boxing term. A fighter who can sustain powerful punches to the face is described as having a "good beard".
Heres a link to an article using it in that context: The Chin, The Beard, The Knockout
I have read several times that beards became fashionable in England when many soldiers from the Crimean War returned wearing them. See: [ [2]] . SimonLyall 03:14, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
At present the article contains the phrase "Full beards nonetheless remain a fringe phenomenon". This is clearly in error. Full beards extend all over the bottom of the head, not just the fringes.- Ashley Pomeroy 11:04, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
I've removed the mention of Dionysus 'rarely' being represented with a beard, as he frequently is. (In two of the four representations over at the Dionysus article, for example.) Arguably he is almost always bearded when he is not represented as a youth: "Artistically he was represented mostly either as a youth of soft, nearly feminine form, or as a bearded and draped man, but frequently also as an infant, with reference to his birth or to his bringing up in Nysa." (source: http://28.1911encyclopedia.org/D/DI/DIONYSUS.htm) --10:07, 29 May 2005 (UTC) Blorg
Thinking of removing the addition, as it's a howto (and may not fit with intent).
Will research and come back later. Quiettype 07:47, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
As the Moustaches entry has a list of famous owners, why not beards?
Could also include beards in fiction/mythology.
Jackiespeel 17:51, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Famous beard list is coming along nicely. Is there a reason why it's been changed to alphabetical order by first name rather than surname? If not I'll just change it back to normal. Nick 00:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
What might be cool is a section on which hormones in the body encourage beard growth. I'm sure something interesting could be written about it, but unfortunately I know very little about it myself. Maybe someone's interested? -- Michiel Sikma 21:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I was recently asked if beards keep growing indefinitely, or stop at a certain length. I couldn't answer for sure, and it seems that there's no mention of that here. It could be worth mentioning, unless the answer is obvious and I'm just missing it. -- Kizor 23:53, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm leaving this task to someone with more hands-on insight into the article than me. The challenge in my case is to identify the most fitting place to paste it into, as not to spoil its structure. After you fit it in, mark my comment (perhaps in the title) as "done".
I found it in Largest body part #Records.
"The longest beard ever measured belonged to Hans Langseth of Norway; at his death in 1927 it was 5.33 metres (17 feet 6 inches) long. [1]"
6birc ( talk) 19:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
To User:70.156.183.68 or anyone who questions the legitimacy of permissible shaving under halakha:
Please do not revert material without knowing the facts first. -- DLand 23:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
When Menachim Begin was Prime Minister of Israel, he appeared unshaven in news photos in the aftermath of his wife's death. A picture ought to be available to illustrate the "mourning" beard. WHPratt ( talk) 12:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
...if you do say so yourself, Triddle! :) -- DLand 05:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Does a beard's color be the same color as the persons hair? The reason why I ask is because when I let my beard go uncheck it starts chaging colors as it grows at the frame of the face and on a portion of my neck it gets blackish, but as it goes up the rest of the neck portion to the mid-chin gets orange then, it gets brown(my hair color) on the rest. Merc25 08:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that's perfectly normal. My beard is much redder than the hair on my head. My father's is the opposite. Ştefan 12:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there a good place in the article to put this quote from Darwin?
C.R. Darwin, The Descent of Man
Nick ( talk) 21:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
At what age can one determine with finality the beard coverage they will have on their chin/cheeks for the rest of their days? I have heard of people developing more beardage in their late 20s and 30s, but I couldn't find anything definite. Any idea? Am I doomed to this patchy chinstrap-only coverage for the rest of my life, at 22? -- 130.126.67.39 00:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
The list of bearded people on this page is getting ridiculously long, so much so that it detracts from the article itself. I propose the creation of a new article,
List of famous bearded people
List of bearded people, to include the list, and merely link to it here in the See also section. Please comment. --
DLand
TALK
16:30, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok lets try to figure out what beard picture belongs at the top of this page. An anonymous editor has decided that my picture is too ugly for wikipedia. All the other contenders I've seen are not suitable for print (not enough pixels). Is wikipedia here to define beauty or to provide open-content that others may use? I believe the focus of wikipedia is the later, rather than the former. Rather than get in an edit war I've decided to open the forum for discussion since it seems there is a problem with consensus. I'm going to revert for now - opinions? Triddle 18:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Now on to my point: I've looked into the history of this page and you have switched this picture back many times after it has been removed by other users. It is arguable whether or not we even need a picture right at the top of the page as many other examples of beards are given further down the page. Yet as can be seen in earlier discussion, whenever there's been a suggestion of removal you argue that individual is attacking your personal appearence. So my question is this: Why do you think it is so important that your face be on the top of what is likely a somewhat high traffic article? :This is a clear attempt at self promotion and therefore through both this and your continuous reverts a violation of wikipedia policy (see sections on "what wikipedia is not" and "3 revert rule") I have removed the image so we can have a neutral discusion. I am not against reposting it after our discussion has concluded, but to insist on its use while it is being disputed is shameless. I look forward to your response. 68.11.46.146 20:49, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Your bully tactics will get you nowhere. As an admin is it your reponsibility to act in wikipedia's best interest. Behind your thinly veiled argument of image quality lies nothing but shameless self promotion. If you care so much then find a quality picture of a famous beard, many of history's greatest figures have sported them. I agree, beauty has nothing to do with it and in particular individual's varying perceptions of it. However, in spite of what you may think, your beard is not a good representative of the entire history of facial hair.
Honestly, it would be a shame to lose all the respect you've gained through many good images you have uploaded in such a ridiculous arguement. However, if you decide to abuse your power and continue with this nonsense, then congrats on a life of constantly monitoring this page to make sure your image remains. 68.11.46.146 21:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
The beard grows when the man could become in need for it, namely at puberty, for oral sex reasons.
Then, he could use his tongue on her. That way she does not get pregnant, a four million old contraception method. This kind of sex was used far more than the putitin form over the next million of years, so he grew a huge beard over the time. With a beard the man has a protection from rubbing off weakened, wet skin during long lasting plays. At some recent time, however, he lost track of why he had become the beard, and since then sex at all seems difficoult for mankind to cope with.
There are two reasons to seek sexual activity, and there are two corresponding ways to go through it.
Some sources would be useful for an argument as unique as this one. JakGd1 23:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, there are no sources even if the allegation is correct. I am the source. Mankind really forgot his second sexuality on the way. That is why sex is completely misunderstood and hence problematic. KS.
LOL - maybe there is some other excuse we can find to put the words "become the beard" into the article? No? oh well. I have to agree, with previous posters, this "fact" does not seem to hold much merit, and is certainly the first I have heard of it. Lostsocks 22:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
The voice defines the male. The beard is protection. You 'hilarious' and 'LOL' knowers: How come that the expectation of sex is much higher than we can fulfill? Tell me: where do these deep inner expectations really come from? We are born with a high expectation, and we are all disappointed. I tell you: This is because the expectations are correct, the official practice of intercourse wrong (for enjoyment). Try this out: For one year: stop the putitin. Men: concentrate mentally on not coming, she plays you with hands. Or whatever. Stop the stupid putitin. If you do come: next time it's easier. In one year we'll talk again. Ya? KS
KS - maybe your expectation is higher than you are able to fulfill. But unless you are able to back your opinions with some credible sources I'm disinclined to believe them Lostsocks 23:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
KS- you do not understand male sexuality. Proverbs 30:19 Mdoc7 13:58, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
A couple of points to discuss 1) Why are eastern religions listed seperately to the others? 2) Whilst I myself have a beard, it is nothing to do with my faith as a Zen Buddhist. Zen Buddhists are really no more inclined to grow a beard than anyone else, whilst a few famous zen practitioners may have had beards, plenty more have been completely clean-shaven. There is really nothing specific about beards in Zen.
I would suggest firstly combining the "eastern religions" section with the other list of beards in religion, and also seriously consider removing any reference to beards to in Zen or Daoism lostsocks
Y'might provide this in the religious (Christian) section. For the definition, see Leonard Ravenhill article (search on "beard" and see the footnote); or see wiktionary definition. There are also Biblical examples. Mdoc7 15:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I am reading a book on the cultural history of beards, and I can't find any proof of this, " Queen Elizabeth I, succeeding Mary, is said to have disliked beards and therefore established a tax on them." In seems that, Elizabeth I actually sent two bearded courtiers as envoys to Moscow, which Ivan the Terrible got a huge kick out of. Does anyone have a source or should we remove it?
Lots of historical facts here, only one reference for the entire page. That seem right to you? 69.94.199.146 17:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Under prohibition, there's this bullet that describes an exception on Israeli prohibition of beards:
This naturally leads me to wonder: what medical reasons could there be for having a beard? I could imagine some sort of disfigurement the beard is supposed to hide and the patient having a psychological need for this, but is this what is meant? Can someone elaborate? 82.92.119.11 21:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Quick question of clarification. Under the sentence "Roman servants or slaves were not allowed to pull their hair, or shave their beards," does this mean that the servants were not allowed to pull their hair *back* (e.g. tie their hair back) or something else, such as pulling their hair out? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.137.153.136 ( talk) 05:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC).
I have proposed including the photo to the right on this page.
I contend that this is a better image than the existing one, since it is an image of a more typical beard and, even if the existing one is retained, it is an image of a trimmed beard while the current photo is of an untrimmed beard, and is thus useful to illustrate different types of beards. Two users have continuously reverted it, although both have provided no response to my rationales for including it and instead have accused me of vanity posting because the guy in the photo is a law school friend of mine -- i responded to the vanity accusation by pointing out that user-created images of physical features will often be photos of acquaintances and therefore a reflexive reversion based on supposed vanity posting is irrational. Perhaps here we can have a discussion of this image that is actually based upon its usefulness to the article and that is not based upon personal attacks against me? Jaredlenowguy 21:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Do not include for the following reasons:
1. Trimmed vs. Untrimmed - not relevant to the content of the article, and thus irrelevant to the images. There are no separate article headings such as "Trimmed Beard" and "Untrimmed Beard"
2. A "more typical beard" is subjective and meaningless as it would be to describe a "more typical haircut." typical to whom?
You are correct that majority does not determine consensus, but majority is often a very good indication of consensus. When two more experienced editors (and we are welcoming more input from anyone who wants to take part in this discussion) come to a conclusion that goes against one editor with less than 50 edits, it bears weight in Wikipedia consensus. -- DLand TALK 01:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
3. This User created a sock puppet for the sole purpose of propagating this image on the
Beard page,
Moustache page, and
Sideburns page; the
Bearded Lady page was vandalized with the photograph as well, allegedly by a friend. None of these actions create "Good Faith" on the part of this editor.
4. An editor making efforts to plaster a friend's photograph across the pages violates
the conflict of interest policy and spirit. I also do not feel this user's actions merit a Good Faith assumption per #3 above, and I do not believe this is not an attempt at a vanity photograph
5. Two editors have expressed they do not wish to see this beard photograph used on the page, and the editor responsible for putting it up has made several reverts on each page, including the ones where it is not illustrative of the article subject, to keep up his friend's photograph.
6. This issue has come up on this page before, since many young males who grow a full beard think their beard is the beard that most represents what a beard should be. It comes across as youthful chest-thumping to me, as opposed to an effort to education and illustrate. Again, I don't believe this user's actions as outlined above merit good faith.
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DavidShankBone
22:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
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DavidShankBone
22:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
As a good faith gesture, I have decided to leave the page alone and not re add the image unless my position gains more support in this discussion. I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused and look forward to editing wikipedia constructively in the future. Jaredlenowguy 02:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Under current regulations, a moustache is allowed for soldiers. On the other hand, soldiers entering military service with a beard can not keep it wihtout explicit, written authorization. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trilandian ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC).
I have added this pic as an beard example to the main page(Disclaimer- it is my photo). Wanted to discuss if we should add more examples or remove this one two. I can grow some other styles and put them up too but other may also wish to volunteer as it may take me upto to two years to grow all the styles listed on the page.--rakshat 07:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok I have added some pics to show how a beard transforms the visual appreance of a person. This is just to see how people would react to something like this in the main article. If you dont think it is appropriate please feel free to delete it. Rakshat 05:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
The current caption for the illustration says "c. 1900." I suspect it to be from a later date because it refers to a "hollywoodian" style--when did Hollywood become associated with movie-making and stle-setting?--and a "balbo," which I assume is named for the Italian aviator and fascist party leader Italo Balbo, whose fame peaked in the 1930s. 172.131.164.245 00:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)RKH
Proposed different intro: A beard is the hair that grows on a person's chin, cheeks, neck, and the area above the upper lip. Beardgrowth appears with most men and with some women. It is concidered a secondairy male sex-character. When differentiating between upper and lower facial hair, a beard specifically refers to the facial hair on the lower part of a man's chin (excluding the moustache, which refers to hair above the upper lip and around it). The study of beards is called pogonology. Although naturally most men have beardgrowth, in modern times only a small percentage of them is wearing it. Those who don't, either have no beardgrowth, (which mostly has a hormonal cause), or have a clean-shaven face. In the course of history, men with facial hair have been ascribed various attributes such as wisdom, sexual virility, or high status, but also a lack of cleanliness and refinement, or an eccentric disposition. James Blond 23:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I do miss on the page of the beard what hormones cause the grow of the beard on the face of a man or not-grow of a woman. 84.30.175.153 05:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Excuse me, but seriously, the caption "You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me" underneath the picture in the section "modern attitudes in the united states" -- is this really supposed to be it? I sincerely doubt it, but I don't know how to edit stuff, so just asking on the talk page here ... could anyone change it, perhaps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nizingur ( talk • contribs) 07:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
A beard without a moustache is considered unattractive in The Netherlands.
What source is there for this statement? I live in the Netherlands and have no such idea of a beard without a moustache. And yes, i do from time to time have a beard without a moustache. ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waht ( talk • contribs) 16:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
What could be the (evolutionary) reason for the beard's existence? Are there any theories, etc? Would be very interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.69.161.49 ( talk) 06:10, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
There's no information about the biology of beards! I mean, WHY do human males grow beards? None of the other great apes grow them, so it's clearly a recently evolved thing, so in our recent biological history was there some sort of sexual selection that favored males with facial hair? Furthermore, the fact that some groups don't grow as much hair, or even none, such as Native Americans (I should know, being 1/16th native american, I can't grow facial hair on parts of my face!), suggests that these groups were isolated from other populations who were evolving facial hair, so perhaps beards eveolved after these groups were isolated from places where people did have facial hair (so maybe, they developed after the ice age when many of the "land-bridges" connecting continents sunk). I'd really like to knwo this stuff! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.245.164.139 ( talk) 13:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Some monkeys have moustaches...but you're right about the apes. Le Anh-Huy ( talk) 07:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
One notable thing appears to be missing from the article: the fact that beards are generally only growable by post-pubescent men, and not by women or children. There's a link to the bearded lady article, but other than that, there is no mention of this fact. I've added a sentence mentioning this in the introduction, though others may want to expand upon or clean it up somewhat. — Matthew0028 21:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
First of all, who is Alice Vodianova? Second, how does one "invent" the beard? I'm going to edit the page. Crellin ( talk) 21:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Chuck Norris has beard and is famous, so why is his name not on in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.8.10 ( talk) 14:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
While this section is definitely worthwhile in the article, might it be better to have this in an article explaining the history of beards in different cultures worldwide? Would Beards around the world or whatever be acceptable? -- El Pollo Diablo ( Talk) 09:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I see no reason for this section of the article to exist. It's mostly just a list of musicians who happen to wear beards--therefore, trivial, and not meeting the notability guidelines. CharlesMartel ( talk) 23:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)CharlesMartel
In case there are no objections against mentioning Osama bin Laden under Political leaders, this name can be added there. VKing ( talk) 14:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I deleted the line about no U.S. Senators wearing a beard since Jon Corzine left to become Governor of New Jersey in 2005. John Sununu(Fmr-NH), Pete Domenici (Fmr-NM) and Tom Coburn (OK) have all sported beards since Corzine's departure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.36.204 ( talk) 17:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
It's silly to make a list of every notable figure who has or has had a beard. That's a pretty big, pointless list. Like the moustache article, we should only list people who's beard is iconic, or frequently mentioned in descriptions of that person (e.g., Fidel Castro, the ZZ Top guys, Abraham Lincoln, etc). OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:02, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Maybe something for Trivia (on condition somebody reminds the exact details): During his presidency Ronald Reagan gave a press conferennce and a journalist posed him a question, he obviously was not pleased with. He reacted by saying to the others present: "He's wearing a beard, so he is a ......(who remembers what exactly followed then?)". VKing ( talk) 03:42, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
In a way as good as all, if not all names mentioned in "Category:Ancient Greek philosophers" might also be mentioned in the subsection "Famous philosophers". But a simple link to that catagory would also do. Only question is:"Are they all bearded indeed?" Somebody must have enough time, to find that out. VKing ( talk) 22:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
There are several military leaders (generals) mentioned in the subsection "Political leaders". So the title might have to be changed in "Political and military leaders". VKing ( talk) 00:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I deleted the IDF section pertaining to beard rules and regulations. No source or references were provided and further researching shared little resemblance to the wiki section. And I know for a fact that each individual branch has its own policies, meaning grouping all things Israel military without clarifying the different rules is basically lying.
Anyways, feel free to revert if you find this objectionable, but please make sure you source the material posted. Wikifan12345 ( talk) 23:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Are there any psychological effects, both on the person with the beard and how others view a person with a beard? 129.120.94.144 ( talk) 20:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Maybe this information on beards.org will help? -- Around Eve ( talk) 21:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Fortunately, the article contains a lot of historical and cultural facts. However, biological facts about how beards grow, how hormons effect growing, how evolution led to beards and how desease may influence beards are lacking, ... . Could someone please add such aspects? 85.179.32.41 ( talk) 00:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Seriously? Half beard? Thats not an actual style, as far as I know, its nothing but a bad idea from a crazed youtube cartoon artist. Should be removed imo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.85.163 ( talk) 14:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Could anyone get/make a map about the percentage of people who can grow beards per country? obviously the Europeans countries would be on top and the Asian ones at the bottom but it'd be interesting to see a map. Supaman89 ( talk) 01:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)`
What is the significance of beards for left-wing (esp. Communist) radicals? Is it just a enduring trend, or is there some deeper meaning? 24.11.127.26 ( talk) 23:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Well you can google Communist Beard Theory, which suggests that you can gauge how radical a socialist someone is by the size of their beard ;) But in reality, there is no specific reason why lots of well known communists have facial hair. 86.166.74.56 ( talk) 19:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC) (lostsocks - probably signed out)
I think that WWE Superstar Mike Knox should be mentioned for his beard as he wrestles on a weekly basis on the "SmackDown!" brand that is televised to millions yearly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.59.2.127 ( talk) 02:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
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Here is some analysis of beards and correlation with recessions and economic uncertainty: http://fulldecent.blogspot.com/2012/04/beards-over-time-facial-hair-and.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fulldecent ( talk • contribs) 02:03, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
"Modern Mormon men are strongly encouraged to be clean shaven.[40]"? While I suppose that's true for full-time missionaries, BYU Students (although medical waivers can be granted), and General Authorities (worldwide Church leadership); it's not necessarily true for members at large. That's like 100,000 people (or less) out of an approximate male membership of more than 6 million (1.6%). The Second Counselor in my local Bishopric has a full beard. (Shrugs.) Then, the reference is a New Era article from 31 years ago? Is there maybe a better way to phrase this? Anyone mind if I try? Also, is there a need for TWO references to Brigham Young (and BYU)? Thanks! Kingsfold (Quack quack!) 03:14, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
It would be interesting to know more about this, if at all relevant, but it's interesting that traditional patriarchs were bearded, and that we often portray ancient men of matriarchal societies beardless... 76.10.128.192 ( talk) 12:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Why does this article say in the first sentence that beards are only found on humans? Even the disambiguation page states it is hair from the lower jaw of MAMMALS. This first sentence needs to be changed. Take a look at the list of animals and the picture of a Bearded saki I have placed in the article.__ DrChrissy ( talk) 22:12, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi all,
Starting a discussion: should the
external link to
The British Beard Club be included in the article?
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Shirt58 (
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11:46, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
An edit was recently made deleting part of an image caption i.e. "...with a prominent beard". The reason given for the edit was that it is redundant information and editorializing about the "prominence" of a beard on a bearded saki. Most of the images in this article use terms such as " full, untrimmed beard and moustache", "cleanly shaven", "Johann Strauss II with a large beard, moustache, and sideburns", "Maryland Governor Thomas Swann with a long goatee. Such beards were common around the time of the American Civil War", "Johannes Brahms with large beard and moustache" and several others. Why then should the image caption of the saki not contain the words "...with a prominent beard"?__ DrChrissy ( talk) 20:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
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The Bearded saki article does not provide much guidance. Does the zoological literature distinguish between the different beards that saki's may sport? Is the beard in the saki image typical? Calling it "prominent" lacks RS because this may be a term of art for biological descriptions. This differs from the human beards (and the images we see) because those captions seek to describe the various styles of beards: goatees, sideburns, untrimmed, etc – and we as readers can draw upon our own experience in seeing beards (or growing them). Simply describe the sake as a "bearded saki". – S. Rich ( talk) 15:57, 2 July 2013 (UTC) |
It seems that when we think about the beard we have to consider Caelan Guackalay aka that guy with a beard in Fossil Ridge. He has a giant beard and it is unusual because he is in high school and he also has a mustache. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerry Glerstein ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
The article currently states:
As far as Islam is concerned, that is a vast overstatement. See the account given at: Are beards obligatory for devout Muslim men? -- Picapica ( talk) 14:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Neither the BBC nor one unbearded western academic Muslim should qualify the phrase "as far as Islam is concerned". There are higher authorities than that and the consensus of the respected scholars of Islam, from each of the four main schools of thought, has always been that allowing a beard to grow is Wajib (obligatory) for males. The article now reflects this. Aathomson ( talk) 23:51, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
The article has absolutely nothing about many important areas and cultures of the world. Because of a number of unpleasant arguments I've gotten into in the past I've stopped editing Wikipedia articles, but somebody really should write something here, for example how and why beards are discouraged in China. Rantalaiho74 ( talk) 20:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
This is a sensitive issue. If there is a different section for Macedonia, there should be one for Athens, one for Sparta/ Lacedaemon, one for Thrace etc. The term "Greece" is modern. - Λίνουξ ( talk) 06:39, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why English has no distinction between hair under the skin, hair piercing the skin, calling hair that has not pierced the skin for stubble, 1-2mm of hair pierced is also called stubble, hair past the stubble stage, and actually letting the hair grow? -- Stalkerkun ( talk) 21:55, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
There is no mention in the article that plants also have beards. Such as Irises (Bearded Irises) Was going to add a section under animals about plant beards, but thought better ask what other editors think first ! DavidAnstiss ( talk) 11:45, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Some people got it in their heads to vandalize this article re: the concept of 'neckbeards'. Such a person is defined as an unpleasing, overweight person who does not shave. Thus the beard part. I reverted the vadalism but they might be back. Lots42 ( talk) 18:50, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Near the beginning of the article is says beards are mostly found in males but a small number of females can posses them but later in the section about their evolutionary history the article states they're exclusively found in men. -- 174.102.9.42 ( talk) 20:35, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
The article enumerates all the Mesopotamian civilizations as having beard-growing traditions. This seems incorrect to me. I may be mistaken, but as far as I know, the non-Semitic Sumerians tended to shave the beard. On the other hand, the Semitic Akkadians (and other Semitic peoples that settled in Mesopotamia in several later waves), always had a beard tradition (like all the Semites, in fact - this seems to be a very ancient and deeply rooted Semitic custom). I read (in Vojtech Zamarovsky's book about Sumer) that the pioneer Assyriologists, while digging in Mesopotamian sites, noted the absence of the beard in depictions of men in earlier archaeological layers, which contrasted with the later Akkadian depictions of bearded kings, deities, soldiers etc. What I know for fact is that no Akkadian/Assyrian/Babylonian king is ever depicted without a beard, while the well-known diorite statue of Gudea, the ensi of Lagash, depicts him as cleanly shaven. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.218.33.195 ( talk) 13:47, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
The Art of Living is the only source for this section. On page xii of the Preface, the book says "My discussion of the philosopher's beard is intended as a light-hearted and 'entertaining' opening into proceedings and should not be taken too seriously." I don't think this can be considered a legit source and this section should probably be deleted if a better source cannot be found. Vagary ( talk) 18:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
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Please see Talk:Hulihee for a red-hot, fascinating, bizarre, and completely stunning discussion over the notability of this style of beard!!! Okay, that was just advertising. It's just a normal discussion, but please check it out anyhow. Thanks! :) Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 03:00, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
A term from the 1930"s or so. A "beard" was the man who covered illicit activity for his friend. For instance, if Man #1 was having an affair, Man #2 was his "beard" covering up for him. Therefore the phrase: "A man with a beard has something to hide." In current news two famous people who grew beards when they were "caught" are Bill Cosby & Harvey Weinstein. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hates Beards ( talk • contribs) 19:04, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
In the last few years, beards are no longer so rare in American politics, with figures such as Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton, and Dan Crenshaw with beards. Ironically, most bearded politicians today seem to be from the conservative wing of the Republican Party.
This might be due to the popularity of beards with veterans, and their growing association with younger conservative men. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BD0F:1C80:6821:5E44:ED2F:52A3 ( talk) 03:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
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There should be a reference to, description of, or at the very least link to playoff beard in this article.
I'm a young man with a beard :) i grew mine for two reasons - to look older and also my face droops slightly from the stroke that crippled me not long after birth and the beard helps hide that.
PMelvilleAustin 18:52 Feb 8, 2003 (UTC)
Would someone please get rid of that disgusting beard pic on the page and replace it with a picture that's more attractive? Acornlord 13:57, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Maybe it is just traditional, in which case a specific citation would not be necessary, but that Greek quote about being neither a boy nor a woman really sounds like it was said by someone specifically. Anyone know if this is the case? Zhankfor
No, not of the chin, but of the topic- could the article be expanded with more discussion of the significance of beards in other places, since there's currently quite a bit on the U.S.? FZ 22:11, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There ought to be more discussion of of the influence of politics and religion on the hair and beard. Charles Mackay's Extraordinary popular delusions and the madness of crowds [1] is in the public domain and portions could certainly be summarized here. Gdr 17:26, 2004 Aug 12 (UTC)
Why does there have to be a picture of the One Thousand Beards book? It looks like an advertisement. Also, there is another book by Helen Bunkin called Beards, Beards, Beards that has received very high reviews and is to be the first of two, but it is not listed. I have taken the liberty of adding it. [[User:Whiskers| whiskers (talk)]] 23:54, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I don't believe that this is the place to talk about women and facial hair. My reasoning follows.
A mention of women and facial hair is made on Facial hair and links directing interested readers direct them to the appropriate page, Bearded woman. Also, I have added appropriate links under 'See also' on Beard and Moustache. Before I created that page and moved the relevant information that had previously been here, the link 'Bearded woman' automatically redirected to Hirsutism. This is not fair, as what is commonly believed to be a beard on a woman is not a beard at all, but simply dark body hair. This new page allows us to discuss the subject sensitively and scientifically, before sending the reader off on a journey into disease and disorder.
The famed bearded women of the circus sideshows were usually fakes. In a few rare cases, it is a case of Hirsutism or an even rarer genetic disorder, for which a page does not yet exist (but links on Bearded woman and Hirsutism do, should anyone care to research the topic). This is not an attempt at segregation. Here we are not talking of female authors, where it makes little sense to segregate them and their works, but of curiosities and medical disorders specific to women. There are men with breasts, too (gynecomastia), but we would surely not talk about them on a page devoted to mothers and infant feeding, or to buxom blondes on the silver screen.
Furthermore, to have a natural male feature discussed in the same breath as hormonal imbalances and sideshow freaks is a gross disrespect to manhood. This furthers the distaste for things male and manly that has crept into modern society. It is often the case today that one does not refer to men as men, but as people. To be a man has become something androgynous and sexless, as if it were something freakish to be diluted, hidden and ashamed of. These pages, Beard, Moustache, Goatee, Sideburns etc ought to be done in honour of men and manhood. It is a subject of male pride.
[[User:Whiskers| whiskers (talk)]] 06:35, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I just happened to catch the last 15 minutes of Dr. Phil after work today. Cher was on briefly. Talk was about her still being single and the difficulties she has with relationships - being a star and all. She said that she was looking for a "person." She did not say she is looking for a man. Refer to my comments above under 'Women and Facial Hair'. This is exactly what I am referring to. [[User:Whiskers| whiskers (talk)]] 03:23, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Is a French beard same as the goatee ? Jay 15:10, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I think the picture is excellent. Who ever this man is I would be proud to meet. Of course I have quite a full beard my self. Family photo found at
http://www.livethewordministries.info/modules.php?name=whoweare
taken back in June. As anyone who has a full beard knows you certainly get a range of looks from poeple when they first see you. From happy to afraid and all points in between. The man that is speaking so negatively should put his own mug up if he thinks that one is sooo bad. :)
I was very happy to find another site (this site) with information on beards. This one definately goes into more detail than
mine. Thanks!
Gary
I would like to see a picture of what i think is one of the greatest beards in history, Karl Marx on this page. I think it really captures what a giagantic beard looks like.
Such a long article, I've only skimmed it for now, but it neglects the word pogonology which seems entirely fitting: the study of beards. -- Elijah 02:26, 2004 Dec 10 (UTC)
I'm inclined to agree, as I came to this article specifically looking for that word! Added. Mule Man 20:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
What is a section related to christianity doing in an article about beards?
Yeah, the article only talks about beards in christianity and no other religion. That's pretty partial. Either remove that section or things about beards in other religions should also be written.
Well, then make it balanced by adding something yourself. Add whatever other religions viewpoint on beards that you find appropriate. Someone already has stepped up to the plate from the Christian perspective - what's your contribution going to be?
Beard is also a boxing term. A fighter who can sustain powerful punches to the face is described as having a "good beard".
Heres a link to an article using it in that context: The Chin, The Beard, The Knockout
I have read several times that beards became fashionable in England when many soldiers from the Crimean War returned wearing them. See: [ [2]] . SimonLyall 03:14, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
At present the article contains the phrase "Full beards nonetheless remain a fringe phenomenon". This is clearly in error. Full beards extend all over the bottom of the head, not just the fringes.- Ashley Pomeroy 11:04, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
I've removed the mention of Dionysus 'rarely' being represented with a beard, as he frequently is. (In two of the four representations over at the Dionysus article, for example.) Arguably he is almost always bearded when he is not represented as a youth: "Artistically he was represented mostly either as a youth of soft, nearly feminine form, or as a bearded and draped man, but frequently also as an infant, with reference to his birth or to his bringing up in Nysa." (source: http://28.1911encyclopedia.org/D/DI/DIONYSUS.htm) --10:07, 29 May 2005 (UTC) Blorg
Thinking of removing the addition, as it's a howto (and may not fit with intent).
Will research and come back later. Quiettype 07:47, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
As the Moustaches entry has a list of famous owners, why not beards?
Could also include beards in fiction/mythology.
Jackiespeel 17:51, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Famous beard list is coming along nicely. Is there a reason why it's been changed to alphabetical order by first name rather than surname? If not I'll just change it back to normal. Nick 00:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
What might be cool is a section on which hormones in the body encourage beard growth. I'm sure something interesting could be written about it, but unfortunately I know very little about it myself. Maybe someone's interested? -- Michiel Sikma 21:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I was recently asked if beards keep growing indefinitely, or stop at a certain length. I couldn't answer for sure, and it seems that there's no mention of that here. It could be worth mentioning, unless the answer is obvious and I'm just missing it. -- Kizor 23:53, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm leaving this task to someone with more hands-on insight into the article than me. The challenge in my case is to identify the most fitting place to paste it into, as not to spoil its structure. After you fit it in, mark my comment (perhaps in the title) as "done".
I found it in Largest body part #Records.
"The longest beard ever measured belonged to Hans Langseth of Norway; at his death in 1927 it was 5.33 metres (17 feet 6 inches) long. [1]"
6birc ( talk) 19:12, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
To User:70.156.183.68 or anyone who questions the legitimacy of permissible shaving under halakha:
Please do not revert material without knowing the facts first. -- DLand 23:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
When Menachim Begin was Prime Minister of Israel, he appeared unshaven in news photos in the aftermath of his wife's death. A picture ought to be available to illustrate the "mourning" beard. WHPratt ( talk) 12:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
...if you do say so yourself, Triddle! :) -- DLand 05:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Does a beard's color be the same color as the persons hair? The reason why I ask is because when I let my beard go uncheck it starts chaging colors as it grows at the frame of the face and on a portion of my neck it gets blackish, but as it goes up the rest of the neck portion to the mid-chin gets orange then, it gets brown(my hair color) on the rest. Merc25 08:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that's perfectly normal. My beard is much redder than the hair on my head. My father's is the opposite. Ştefan 12:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there a good place in the article to put this quote from Darwin?
C.R. Darwin, The Descent of Man
Nick ( talk) 21:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
At what age can one determine with finality the beard coverage they will have on their chin/cheeks for the rest of their days? I have heard of people developing more beardage in their late 20s and 30s, but I couldn't find anything definite. Any idea? Am I doomed to this patchy chinstrap-only coverage for the rest of my life, at 22? -- 130.126.67.39 00:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
The list of bearded people on this page is getting ridiculously long, so much so that it detracts from the article itself. I propose the creation of a new article,
List of famous bearded people
List of bearded people, to include the list, and merely link to it here in the See also section. Please comment. --
DLand
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16:30, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok lets try to figure out what beard picture belongs at the top of this page. An anonymous editor has decided that my picture is too ugly for wikipedia. All the other contenders I've seen are not suitable for print (not enough pixels). Is wikipedia here to define beauty or to provide open-content that others may use? I believe the focus of wikipedia is the later, rather than the former. Rather than get in an edit war I've decided to open the forum for discussion since it seems there is a problem with consensus. I'm going to revert for now - opinions? Triddle 18:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Now on to my point: I've looked into the history of this page and you have switched this picture back many times after it has been removed by other users. It is arguable whether or not we even need a picture right at the top of the page as many other examples of beards are given further down the page. Yet as can be seen in earlier discussion, whenever there's been a suggestion of removal you argue that individual is attacking your personal appearence. So my question is this: Why do you think it is so important that your face be on the top of what is likely a somewhat high traffic article? :This is a clear attempt at self promotion and therefore through both this and your continuous reverts a violation of wikipedia policy (see sections on "what wikipedia is not" and "3 revert rule") I have removed the image so we can have a neutral discusion. I am not against reposting it after our discussion has concluded, but to insist on its use while it is being disputed is shameless. I look forward to your response. 68.11.46.146 20:49, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Your bully tactics will get you nowhere. As an admin is it your reponsibility to act in wikipedia's best interest. Behind your thinly veiled argument of image quality lies nothing but shameless self promotion. If you care so much then find a quality picture of a famous beard, many of history's greatest figures have sported them. I agree, beauty has nothing to do with it and in particular individual's varying perceptions of it. However, in spite of what you may think, your beard is not a good representative of the entire history of facial hair.
Honestly, it would be a shame to lose all the respect you've gained through many good images you have uploaded in such a ridiculous arguement. However, if you decide to abuse your power and continue with this nonsense, then congrats on a life of constantly monitoring this page to make sure your image remains. 68.11.46.146 21:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
The beard grows when the man could become in need for it, namely at puberty, for oral sex reasons.
Then, he could use his tongue on her. That way she does not get pregnant, a four million old contraception method. This kind of sex was used far more than the putitin form over the next million of years, so he grew a huge beard over the time. With a beard the man has a protection from rubbing off weakened, wet skin during long lasting plays. At some recent time, however, he lost track of why he had become the beard, and since then sex at all seems difficoult for mankind to cope with.
There are two reasons to seek sexual activity, and there are two corresponding ways to go through it.
Some sources would be useful for an argument as unique as this one. JakGd1 23:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, there are no sources even if the allegation is correct. I am the source. Mankind really forgot his second sexuality on the way. That is why sex is completely misunderstood and hence problematic. KS.
LOL - maybe there is some other excuse we can find to put the words "become the beard" into the article? No? oh well. I have to agree, with previous posters, this "fact" does not seem to hold much merit, and is certainly the first I have heard of it. Lostsocks 22:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
The voice defines the male. The beard is protection. You 'hilarious' and 'LOL' knowers: How come that the expectation of sex is much higher than we can fulfill? Tell me: where do these deep inner expectations really come from? We are born with a high expectation, and we are all disappointed. I tell you: This is because the expectations are correct, the official practice of intercourse wrong (for enjoyment). Try this out: For one year: stop the putitin. Men: concentrate mentally on not coming, she plays you with hands. Or whatever. Stop the stupid putitin. If you do come: next time it's easier. In one year we'll talk again. Ya? KS
KS - maybe your expectation is higher than you are able to fulfill. But unless you are able to back your opinions with some credible sources I'm disinclined to believe them Lostsocks 23:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
KS- you do not understand male sexuality. Proverbs 30:19 Mdoc7 13:58, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
A couple of points to discuss 1) Why are eastern religions listed seperately to the others? 2) Whilst I myself have a beard, it is nothing to do with my faith as a Zen Buddhist. Zen Buddhists are really no more inclined to grow a beard than anyone else, whilst a few famous zen practitioners may have had beards, plenty more have been completely clean-shaven. There is really nothing specific about beards in Zen.
I would suggest firstly combining the "eastern religions" section with the other list of beards in religion, and also seriously consider removing any reference to beards to in Zen or Daoism lostsocks
Y'might provide this in the religious (Christian) section. For the definition, see Leonard Ravenhill article (search on "beard" and see the footnote); or see wiktionary definition. There are also Biblical examples. Mdoc7 15:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I am reading a book on the cultural history of beards, and I can't find any proof of this, " Queen Elizabeth I, succeeding Mary, is said to have disliked beards and therefore established a tax on them." In seems that, Elizabeth I actually sent two bearded courtiers as envoys to Moscow, which Ivan the Terrible got a huge kick out of. Does anyone have a source or should we remove it?
Lots of historical facts here, only one reference for the entire page. That seem right to you? 69.94.199.146 17:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Under prohibition, there's this bullet that describes an exception on Israeli prohibition of beards:
This naturally leads me to wonder: what medical reasons could there be for having a beard? I could imagine some sort of disfigurement the beard is supposed to hide and the patient having a psychological need for this, but is this what is meant? Can someone elaborate? 82.92.119.11 21:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Quick question of clarification. Under the sentence "Roman servants or slaves were not allowed to pull their hair, or shave their beards," does this mean that the servants were not allowed to pull their hair *back* (e.g. tie their hair back) or something else, such as pulling their hair out? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.137.153.136 ( talk) 05:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC).
I have proposed including the photo to the right on this page.
I contend that this is a better image than the existing one, since it is an image of a more typical beard and, even if the existing one is retained, it is an image of a trimmed beard while the current photo is of an untrimmed beard, and is thus useful to illustrate different types of beards. Two users have continuously reverted it, although both have provided no response to my rationales for including it and instead have accused me of vanity posting because the guy in the photo is a law school friend of mine -- i responded to the vanity accusation by pointing out that user-created images of physical features will often be photos of acquaintances and therefore a reflexive reversion based on supposed vanity posting is irrational. Perhaps here we can have a discussion of this image that is actually based upon its usefulness to the article and that is not based upon personal attacks against me? Jaredlenowguy 21:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Do not include for the following reasons:
1. Trimmed vs. Untrimmed - not relevant to the content of the article, and thus irrelevant to the images. There are no separate article headings such as "Trimmed Beard" and "Untrimmed Beard"
2. A "more typical beard" is subjective and meaningless as it would be to describe a "more typical haircut." typical to whom?
You are correct that majority does not determine consensus, but majority is often a very good indication of consensus. When two more experienced editors (and we are welcoming more input from anyone who wants to take part in this discussion) come to a conclusion that goes against one editor with less than 50 edits, it bears weight in Wikipedia consensus. -- DLand TALK 01:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
3. This User created a sock puppet for the sole purpose of propagating this image on the
Beard page,
Moustache page, and
Sideburns page; the
Bearded Lady page was vandalized with the photograph as well, allegedly by a friend. None of these actions create "Good Faith" on the part of this editor.
4. An editor making efforts to plaster a friend's photograph across the pages violates
the conflict of interest policy and spirit. I also do not feel this user's actions merit a Good Faith assumption per #3 above, and I do not believe this is not an attempt at a vanity photograph
5. Two editors have expressed they do not wish to see this beard photograph used on the page, and the editor responsible for putting it up has made several reverts on each page, including the ones where it is not illustrative of the article subject, to keep up his friend's photograph.
6. This issue has come up on this page before, since many young males who grow a full beard think their beard is the beard that most represents what a beard should be. It comes across as youthful chest-thumping to me, as opposed to an effort to education and illustrate. Again, I don't believe this user's actions as outlined above merit good faith.
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DavidShankBone
22:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
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DavidShankBone
22:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
As a good faith gesture, I have decided to leave the page alone and not re add the image unless my position gains more support in this discussion. I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused and look forward to editing wikipedia constructively in the future. Jaredlenowguy 02:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Under current regulations, a moustache is allowed for soldiers. On the other hand, soldiers entering military service with a beard can not keep it wihtout explicit, written authorization. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trilandian ( talk • contribs) 19:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC).
I have added this pic as an beard example to the main page(Disclaimer- it is my photo). Wanted to discuss if we should add more examples or remove this one two. I can grow some other styles and put them up too but other may also wish to volunteer as it may take me upto to two years to grow all the styles listed on the page.--rakshat 07:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok I have added some pics to show how a beard transforms the visual appreance of a person. This is just to see how people would react to something like this in the main article. If you dont think it is appropriate please feel free to delete it. Rakshat 05:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
The current caption for the illustration says "c. 1900." I suspect it to be from a later date because it refers to a "hollywoodian" style--when did Hollywood become associated with movie-making and stle-setting?--and a "balbo," which I assume is named for the Italian aviator and fascist party leader Italo Balbo, whose fame peaked in the 1930s. 172.131.164.245 00:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)RKH
Proposed different intro: A beard is the hair that grows on a person's chin, cheeks, neck, and the area above the upper lip. Beardgrowth appears with most men and with some women. It is concidered a secondairy male sex-character. When differentiating between upper and lower facial hair, a beard specifically refers to the facial hair on the lower part of a man's chin (excluding the moustache, which refers to hair above the upper lip and around it). The study of beards is called pogonology. Although naturally most men have beardgrowth, in modern times only a small percentage of them is wearing it. Those who don't, either have no beardgrowth, (which mostly has a hormonal cause), or have a clean-shaven face. In the course of history, men with facial hair have been ascribed various attributes such as wisdom, sexual virility, or high status, but also a lack of cleanliness and refinement, or an eccentric disposition. James Blond 23:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I do miss on the page of the beard what hormones cause the grow of the beard on the face of a man or not-grow of a woman. 84.30.175.153 05:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Excuse me, but seriously, the caption "You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me" underneath the picture in the section "modern attitudes in the united states" -- is this really supposed to be it? I sincerely doubt it, but I don't know how to edit stuff, so just asking on the talk page here ... could anyone change it, perhaps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nizingur ( talk • contribs) 07:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
A beard without a moustache is considered unattractive in The Netherlands.
What source is there for this statement? I live in the Netherlands and have no such idea of a beard without a moustache. And yes, i do from time to time have a beard without a moustache. ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waht ( talk • contribs) 16:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
What could be the (evolutionary) reason for the beard's existence? Are there any theories, etc? Would be very interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.69.161.49 ( talk) 06:10, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
There's no information about the biology of beards! I mean, WHY do human males grow beards? None of the other great apes grow them, so it's clearly a recently evolved thing, so in our recent biological history was there some sort of sexual selection that favored males with facial hair? Furthermore, the fact that some groups don't grow as much hair, or even none, such as Native Americans (I should know, being 1/16th native american, I can't grow facial hair on parts of my face!), suggests that these groups were isolated from other populations who were evolving facial hair, so perhaps beards eveolved after these groups were isolated from places where people did have facial hair (so maybe, they developed after the ice age when many of the "land-bridges" connecting continents sunk). I'd really like to knwo this stuff! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.245.164.139 ( talk) 13:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Some monkeys have moustaches...but you're right about the apes. Le Anh-Huy ( talk) 07:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
One notable thing appears to be missing from the article: the fact that beards are generally only growable by post-pubescent men, and not by women or children. There's a link to the bearded lady article, but other than that, there is no mention of this fact. I've added a sentence mentioning this in the introduction, though others may want to expand upon or clean it up somewhat. — Matthew0028 21:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
First of all, who is Alice Vodianova? Second, how does one "invent" the beard? I'm going to edit the page. Crellin ( talk) 21:18, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Chuck Norris has beard and is famous, so why is his name not on in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.8.10 ( talk) 14:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
While this section is definitely worthwhile in the article, might it be better to have this in an article explaining the history of beards in different cultures worldwide? Would Beards around the world or whatever be acceptable? -- El Pollo Diablo ( Talk) 09:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I see no reason for this section of the article to exist. It's mostly just a list of musicians who happen to wear beards--therefore, trivial, and not meeting the notability guidelines. CharlesMartel ( talk) 23:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)CharlesMartel
In case there are no objections against mentioning Osama bin Laden under Political leaders, this name can be added there. VKing ( talk) 14:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I deleted the line about no U.S. Senators wearing a beard since Jon Corzine left to become Governor of New Jersey in 2005. John Sununu(Fmr-NH), Pete Domenici (Fmr-NM) and Tom Coburn (OK) have all sported beards since Corzine's departure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.36.204 ( talk) 17:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
It's silly to make a list of every notable figure who has or has had a beard. That's a pretty big, pointless list. Like the moustache article, we should only list people who's beard is iconic, or frequently mentioned in descriptions of that person (e.g., Fidel Castro, the ZZ Top guys, Abraham Lincoln, etc). OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:02, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Maybe something for Trivia (on condition somebody reminds the exact details): During his presidency Ronald Reagan gave a press conferennce and a journalist posed him a question, he obviously was not pleased with. He reacted by saying to the others present: "He's wearing a beard, so he is a ......(who remembers what exactly followed then?)". VKing ( talk) 03:42, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
In a way as good as all, if not all names mentioned in "Category:Ancient Greek philosophers" might also be mentioned in the subsection "Famous philosophers". But a simple link to that catagory would also do. Only question is:"Are they all bearded indeed?" Somebody must have enough time, to find that out. VKing ( talk) 22:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
There are several military leaders (generals) mentioned in the subsection "Political leaders". So the title might have to be changed in "Political and military leaders". VKing ( talk) 00:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I deleted the IDF section pertaining to beard rules and regulations. No source or references were provided and further researching shared little resemblance to the wiki section. And I know for a fact that each individual branch has its own policies, meaning grouping all things Israel military without clarifying the different rules is basically lying.
Anyways, feel free to revert if you find this objectionable, but please make sure you source the material posted. Wikifan12345 ( talk) 23:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Are there any psychological effects, both on the person with the beard and how others view a person with a beard? 129.120.94.144 ( talk) 20:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Maybe this information on beards.org will help? -- Around Eve ( talk) 21:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Fortunately, the article contains a lot of historical and cultural facts. However, biological facts about how beards grow, how hormons effect growing, how evolution led to beards and how desease may influence beards are lacking, ... . Could someone please add such aspects? 85.179.32.41 ( talk) 00:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Seriously? Half beard? Thats not an actual style, as far as I know, its nothing but a bad idea from a crazed youtube cartoon artist. Should be removed imo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.85.163 ( talk) 14:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Could anyone get/make a map about the percentage of people who can grow beards per country? obviously the Europeans countries would be on top and the Asian ones at the bottom but it'd be interesting to see a map. Supaman89 ( talk) 01:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)`
What is the significance of beards for left-wing (esp. Communist) radicals? Is it just a enduring trend, or is there some deeper meaning? 24.11.127.26 ( talk) 23:22, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Well you can google Communist Beard Theory, which suggests that you can gauge how radical a socialist someone is by the size of their beard ;) But in reality, there is no specific reason why lots of well known communists have facial hair. 86.166.74.56 ( talk) 19:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC) (lostsocks - probably signed out)
I think that WWE Superstar Mike Knox should be mentioned for his beard as he wrestles on a weekly basis on the "SmackDown!" brand that is televised to millions yearly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.59.2.127 ( talk) 02:20, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
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Here is some analysis of beards and correlation with recessions and economic uncertainty: http://fulldecent.blogspot.com/2012/04/beards-over-time-facial-hair-and.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fulldecent ( talk • contribs) 02:03, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
"Modern Mormon men are strongly encouraged to be clean shaven.[40]"? While I suppose that's true for full-time missionaries, BYU Students (although medical waivers can be granted), and General Authorities (worldwide Church leadership); it's not necessarily true for members at large. That's like 100,000 people (or less) out of an approximate male membership of more than 6 million (1.6%). The Second Counselor in my local Bishopric has a full beard. (Shrugs.) Then, the reference is a New Era article from 31 years ago? Is there maybe a better way to phrase this? Anyone mind if I try? Also, is there a need for TWO references to Brigham Young (and BYU)? Thanks! Kingsfold (Quack quack!) 03:14, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
It would be interesting to know more about this, if at all relevant, but it's interesting that traditional patriarchs were bearded, and that we often portray ancient men of matriarchal societies beardless... 76.10.128.192 ( talk) 12:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Why does this article say in the first sentence that beards are only found on humans? Even the disambiguation page states it is hair from the lower jaw of MAMMALS. This first sentence needs to be changed. Take a look at the list of animals and the picture of a Bearded saki I have placed in the article.__ DrChrissy ( talk) 22:12, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
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An edit was recently made deleting part of an image caption i.e. "...with a prominent beard". The reason given for the edit was that it is redundant information and editorializing about the "prominence" of a beard on a bearded saki. Most of the images in this article use terms such as " full, untrimmed beard and moustache", "cleanly shaven", "Johann Strauss II with a large beard, moustache, and sideburns", "Maryland Governor Thomas Swann with a long goatee. Such beards were common around the time of the American Civil War", "Johannes Brahms with large beard and moustache" and several others. Why then should the image caption of the saki not contain the words "...with a prominent beard"?__ DrChrissy ( talk) 20:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
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The Bearded saki article does not provide much guidance. Does the zoological literature distinguish between the different beards that saki's may sport? Is the beard in the saki image typical? Calling it "prominent" lacks RS because this may be a term of art for biological descriptions. This differs from the human beards (and the images we see) because those captions seek to describe the various styles of beards: goatees, sideburns, untrimmed, etc – and we as readers can draw upon our own experience in seeing beards (or growing them). Simply describe the sake as a "bearded saki". – S. Rich ( talk) 15:57, 2 July 2013 (UTC) |
It seems that when we think about the beard we have to consider Caelan Guackalay aka that guy with a beard in Fossil Ridge. He has a giant beard and it is unusual because he is in high school and he also has a mustache. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerry Glerstein ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
The article currently states:
As far as Islam is concerned, that is a vast overstatement. See the account given at: Are beards obligatory for devout Muslim men? -- Picapica ( talk) 14:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Neither the BBC nor one unbearded western academic Muslim should qualify the phrase "as far as Islam is concerned". There are higher authorities than that and the consensus of the respected scholars of Islam, from each of the four main schools of thought, has always been that allowing a beard to grow is Wajib (obligatory) for males. The article now reflects this. Aathomson ( talk) 23:51, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
The article has absolutely nothing about many important areas and cultures of the world. Because of a number of unpleasant arguments I've gotten into in the past I've stopped editing Wikipedia articles, but somebody really should write something here, for example how and why beards are discouraged in China. Rantalaiho74 ( talk) 20:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
This is a sensitive issue. If there is a different section for Macedonia, there should be one for Athens, one for Sparta/ Lacedaemon, one for Thrace etc. The term "Greece" is modern. - Λίνουξ ( talk) 06:39, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why English has no distinction between hair under the skin, hair piercing the skin, calling hair that has not pierced the skin for stubble, 1-2mm of hair pierced is also called stubble, hair past the stubble stage, and actually letting the hair grow? -- Stalkerkun ( talk) 21:55, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
There is no mention in the article that plants also have beards. Such as Irises (Bearded Irises) Was going to add a section under animals about plant beards, but thought better ask what other editors think first ! DavidAnstiss ( talk) 11:45, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Some people got it in their heads to vandalize this article re: the concept of 'neckbeards'. Such a person is defined as an unpleasing, overweight person who does not shave. Thus the beard part. I reverted the vadalism but they might be back. Lots42 ( talk) 18:50, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Near the beginning of the article is says beards are mostly found in males but a small number of females can posses them but later in the section about their evolutionary history the article states they're exclusively found in men. -- 174.102.9.42 ( talk) 20:35, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
The article enumerates all the Mesopotamian civilizations as having beard-growing traditions. This seems incorrect to me. I may be mistaken, but as far as I know, the non-Semitic Sumerians tended to shave the beard. On the other hand, the Semitic Akkadians (and other Semitic peoples that settled in Mesopotamia in several later waves), always had a beard tradition (like all the Semites, in fact - this seems to be a very ancient and deeply rooted Semitic custom). I read (in Vojtech Zamarovsky's book about Sumer) that the pioneer Assyriologists, while digging in Mesopotamian sites, noted the absence of the beard in depictions of men in earlier archaeological layers, which contrasted with the later Akkadian depictions of bearded kings, deities, soldiers etc. What I know for fact is that no Akkadian/Assyrian/Babylonian king is ever depicted without a beard, while the well-known diorite statue of Gudea, the ensi of Lagash, depicts him as cleanly shaven. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.218.33.195 ( talk) 13:47, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
The Art of Living is the only source for this section. On page xii of the Preface, the book says "My discussion of the philosopher's beard is intended as a light-hearted and 'entertaining' opening into proceedings and should not be taken too seriously." I don't think this can be considered a legit source and this section should probably be deleted if a better source cannot be found. Vagary ( talk) 18:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
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Please see Talk:Hulihee for a red-hot, fascinating, bizarre, and completely stunning discussion over the notability of this style of beard!!! Okay, that was just advertising. It's just a normal discussion, but please check it out anyhow. Thanks! :) Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 03:00, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
A term from the 1930"s or so. A "beard" was the man who covered illicit activity for his friend. For instance, if Man #1 was having an affair, Man #2 was his "beard" covering up for him. Therefore the phrase: "A man with a beard has something to hide." In current news two famous people who grew beards when they were "caught" are Bill Cosby & Harvey Weinstein. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hates Beards ( talk • contribs) 19:04, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
In the last few years, beards are no longer so rare in American politics, with figures such as Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton, and Dan Crenshaw with beards. Ironically, most bearded politicians today seem to be from the conservative wing of the Republican Party.
This might be due to the popularity of beards with veterans, and their growing association with younger conservative men. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BD0F:1C80:6821:5E44:ED2F:52A3 ( talk) 03:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
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