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A few comments: 1) This needs to be NPOVized somewhat. 2) Typically, we don't put "the" in article titles unless there's some good reason to do so. I would prefer to see this at Bear community or some such.
Absent discussion, I will effect these changes myself. Montrealais
The bear community was created... <- seems to imply a group of people sat down and said "hey! let's do the show right here in the barn" (or whatever... you get the idea). Don't communities in general come about gradually, rather than "created"? -- Tarquin
I question the definitions given for "muscle bear" and "muscle bear cub." If a man is lean, the bears of my acquaintance don't refer to him as a bear or bear cub, "muscle" or otherwise. If they deign to speak of him at all, they may call him an otter. Whenever I hear the term "muscle bear" or "muscle cub" (not "muscle bear cub"), the person being described is muscular but stocky.
Perhaps this (I'd rather get some consensus prior to posting on the page):
Hey! you made me visit gay porn site by klicking one of those links! :( Can't you have warnings? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.73.4.66 ( talk • contribs) .
[[User Does anyone object if I actually change photos? The photo that's there doesn't really say much to me, being a distant "side on" view of the bears in there. Although, I don't want to go changing things if people wouldn't like it done. Beardoc 09:02, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
User:Pacian wrote:
It has been derided by some for being inherantly racist (depictions of the "ideal" bear are almost exclusively of a white male,) sexist (women are frequently unwelcome at bear events) and internally-homophobic (with those who are stereotypically effeminate often shunned or excluded.)
In accordance with Wikipedia policy, could you please provide verifiable sources for your POV statements regarding internalized homophobia, sexism, etc. in the Bear community? - thickslab 22:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
In my opinion, the external links are getting too long. I don't think this article will ever be developed enough to be a FA, but there are still wikipedia guidelines regarding external links that I would like to adhere to. I propose pruning it a lot, but want to see what other editors think before I do it. -- Syrthiss 13:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC) * I've removed most of the links. Most of them were links to bear clubs and commercial sites, and I've kept a few that I think are worth keeping. -- thickslab 16:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
I added the Taormino column to the external links and rearranged them chronologically. Should all the linked articles and periodicals be grouped together another way?
I put a notice up on the Bears Mailing List asking for folks to come help us make some progress here. My time's really limited these days, but I felt we can do better by way of self-definition.
--
wolfbear 9 August, 2006 21:58pm ET
What links are link spamming and what not? all you want are spam and all others not? all your friends sites not and others yes? your lovers sites not and other yes? BE INTELILLENT AND COHERENT DONT TELL EXCUSES TO JUSTIFICATE ANARCHY. ALL LINKS DECLARED IN THAT PAGE ARE SPAM OR NOTHING ARE SPAM. BIGMEN SPAM AND HUZBEARS NOT? WHATS THE FUCK. YOU ARE DOING UNFAIR COMPETITION. WHAT DO YOU THINK? THE SERVERS ARE FREE AND PEOPLE CAN LIVE WITH AIR ONLY? BET FOR THE BEAR COMMUNITY NOT FUCK IT.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.97.16.111 ( talk • contribs).
The anarchy dictaorials rights violators are acting again not reading the terms and conditions and banning VALID links :)
I've removed an inline link to "Woobie Bear Music," as it appeared to be spam. Does anyone think it should be put back? Doctor Whom 23:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
No
...but really when I hear "grizzly bear" I don't think of Grizzly Adams (that would be a daddy or polar bear). If one wanted to use the American Grizzly magazine as a yardstick, the guys in there seemed to be bigger frame guys. Comments? -- Syrthiss 21:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I have been a bear most of my life and I have been to many bear events. I have not once seen anything that even closely resembles racism (as there are many mixed couples present), Sexism (as I know of many women that frequent these events) or elitism (as the bear community is more on the acceptance on one's own image over that of the stereotype).
It should be noted that as the gay community progresses and ages, the long held stereotypes are no longer valid. To say that we do not welcome those that are effeminate, is to say that we don't accept ourselves. Much an oxymoron.
While it is true that most bears tend to be attracted to those of a similar stature, there are quite a number that are looking for quite the opposite. And, still, there are some "bears" that are hetrosexual, chosing to celebrate all that is being a male.
Um, no not really. I see many bears these days attracted to non bears and yes even some twinks and vice versa. I have even see more non bears accpted in bear runs and bear bars these days. This should definetely be noted.
A bear, it should be noted, is more the attitude of acceptance our own flaws as being part of who we are, rather than trying to live up to an image.
69.162.110.52 17:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Jerrbear
The Bear "community" is very accepting of Bisexual and Transgendered people, and this is very surprising since Bisexuals and Trans people get ignored, or told that they don't exist by the mainstream GLBT/gay "community".
However, there is a lot of racism within the bear community, you can't deny it. It's sort of a white supremacy within "SOME' sections of the community but not all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.203.237.142 ( talk) 17:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Can someone provide some sources for some of the more ridiculous animal words, i.e. wombat, manatee, fluffy, koala bear? And also for the alternate definition of "panda bear?" These are not words I have ever heard used in this context. -- by thickslab, originally unsigned.
I disagree with the culling of the description list to 'keep it short and simple'. Nor was it admirable to remove terms that are relevant to geographically specific areas, such as 'wombats' and 'koala bears'. Aside from the recent rise in muscle bear exclusivity, I had thought the bear culture welcomed diverse opinions. And to pre-emptively respond to the criticism that opinion has no place on wikipedia, it is collective opinion and action that eventually morph into the solid fact demanded from any encyclopaedia.
On the topic of bears in history, I admit that it seems a little spurious, but to refer to it as ridiculous is to overstep the bounds of language. It is important to recognise that while some personalities in history were not called 'bears' (or ursus) in their day, the basis of hirsute, masculine men engaging in homosexual activity is a pertinent point of reference for community origins. -- anonymous comment by IP
Clearly this is a vanity article. The term "bear" doesn't mean anything in the context of the gay community. Everyone looks different, so the hell what. Haizum 08:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I know what a vanity article is, and this isn't one. I will echo Thickslab's link to the civility guidelines. Syrthiss 20:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
"The bear community originated in San Francisco in the 1970s as an outgrowth of the leather and "girth and mirth" communities. It was created by men who felt that mainstream gay culture was unwelcoming to men who did not fit a particular bodily norm (hairless, and young)."
Complete bullshit. Obviously bearish gay men exist all over the world before the 1970. The only thing the US did was coming up with the community idea, making it famous and commercialising it.
As stated somewhere below I would also change the "was created" sentence. Guest Account 08:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I remember the first Bear event took place at the Pilsner Bar in San Francisco in 1988? 1989? It was reported in the B.A.R., I think. It was actually more of a tongue-in-cheek thing, kind of a spoof of drag shows and leather events. The Pilsner back then had a more blue collar, out of the mainstream crowd--certainly not what would be considered Bearish today. That's the first time I heard the word Bear used to describe gay men. -- Paddbear 19:57, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the laugh.
haha yeah it is!
Just starting out, added 'behr' as a definition I remember from early Usenet days. Would like to add supporting citation ( http://groups.google.com/group/soc.motss/browse_thread/thread/5079134669420411/33d889eb7b8030a4?lnk=gst&q=behr&rnum=6#33d889eb7b8030a4). Can anyone either add it, or help me out with that? -- Jestabear originally unsigned
This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, --- J.S ( t| c) 03:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Queer as Folk has a comment like, every five seconds about bears and twinkies and studs. That should be added but I don't know how to word it.- Babylon pride 03:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
In the definitions section, the term "chaser" seems to have a mistake. It's also known as a ....? Gahunt 02:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Should their be an image of the striped flag with pawprint? Basejumper 17:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
There should be a section in here regarding "bear" feet. Lots of guys are into big guy's feet. It's all over the internet and well known in the community. Perhaps, make a wikipedia article about it?
Both articles are lacking source based descriptions of their common similarities and differences. -- Nemissimo 17:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't think there's a huge amount of women in the bear community but there sure is a decent trans presence. I'm a bit overloaded at the moment but it would be nice to find ways to acknowledge this at some point. Benjiboi 01:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Women in the bear community? Bears are for male role models -- ones that are not the traditional male twink scope. There is this whole lesbian thing for women - why look to a male grouping? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
65.96.242.167 (
talk) 23:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Some women, regardless of their own sexuality, just like hanging around bears. Why not? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
67.171.243.32 (
talk) 06:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
This talk page needs some house-cleaning. Someone please be bold and start an archive and move old talk point to it. Thank you! Benjiboi 01:48, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
This article contains vast tracts of Original research. The majority of it is unreferenced and most likely, unreferenceable. I suggest serious cleanup. Kyaa the Catlord ( talk) 10:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree with the word gay slang as a synonym for the Bear community. Last version didn't had the word gay slang when I searched wikipedia for Bear community .It is an identity Bear community is proud of. Many people in the bear community like to idenitfy as a bear ,cub ,chaser , muscle bear. Also the article misses the explanation of cubs, otters , daddy bear ,muscle bear , woof which I though there was in the previous edit. Check out the link for the list of bear clubs in the world.
Here is a better and best definition of a bear.
Here is some more info.
The current popular Bear Magazine from USA.
And list of Bear Events across the world.
Bear History
Bear Community
Techcub ( talk) 17:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)techcub
Per above "It might also make sense to make a conscious decision to either be inclusive to all bear communities (which I think would be difficult) or rename and re-aim the lede to state there is a growing emergence of bear cultures within the LGBT movements which is mostly gay men. Rename suggestion --> Bear cultures (gay), or something similar unless the article is going to try to accurately discuss most of the bear communities around the world which I don't recommend." Does Bear culture (gay) make sense for this article? If not any suggestions? Also I should clarify I meant that it's mostly gay men in the bear cultures not in the LGBT movements. Benjiboi 22:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Indent reset. Mucho appreciated and back atchya! I see no problem with including the communities content as well as otter et al with a move to Bear (gay slang) and would actually expect to see that in the article. This is who uses this term applies to and why and how and here is the communities, events and naming conventions that are a part of this minority within a minority community. We're opening an accurate window to this world for those looking and we should work it out to be an informative good read. There's piles of great stuff out there I know it's possible. Benjiboi 12:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
outdent. OK, now that all have fermented on my creative spelling! can we move forward with a rename to Bear (gay slang) without prejudice to all the content (i.e. we find ways to keep things presently in the article even though we're restructuring)? Benjiboi 17:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Want to make a note before I forget, Gummi bears are into latex, rubber fetishes; there was a London club by that name was somehow involved in the Operation Spanner case and i believe there is some German pop song about this as well. Benjiboi 03:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
“ | A 30 second video clip for this little green troubadour's song I'm A Gummy Bear has met an enthusiastic response around the globe with more than 14 million plays on YouTube and MySpace video alone. This multi-lingual hit - available in English, French, Spanish, German and the original Hungarian - has won the hearts of fun-loving audiences everywhere. It has gone on to hit the best seller lists in every country in which it was released. | ” |
In what sense in the analysis of a concept "original research"? I wrote that stuff. I didn't research it at all. The fact is when you call a man a bear you do it for a reason. It's like a literary allusion. The only way to understand what it means is to understand what it achieves.
Additionally it's important not to dilute the concept such that we are pretending women can be bears, or that transexuals are a significant part of bear culture. if you start doing this, the article reads like a reflection of the author's preoccupations and politics and misleads people. (theobald2526 10/12/07) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theobald2526 ( talk • contribs) 02:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
In the Terminology section of this article, the term "Wolf" is mentioned (and capitalized) in the definition of the term "Otter." A comparison is made between the two, noting the primary difference. However, the term "Wolf" itself is not defined. Both the comparison and the capitalizing of "Wolf" renders it a term that needs its own definition. the terminology list needs to be expanded to include "Wolf." tigerdg ( talk) 04:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I cleaned up an edit made by an anonymous IP, and noticed that the list of references is poorly done. I will try to get to it this evening, but if anyone else wants to take it on, go for it. TechBear ( talk) 19:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.134.119.35 ( talk) 20:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I made some alterations in the description, as it had so many "some" and "may" and "although" that it was rendered unreadable. I know that this is impolite to do, but I haven't altered any information, except about the chasers. But, as that info is already on the terminology, and has its own article, I don't think it will matter. Hope I haven't upset anyone. Tercer ( talk) 04:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
This article till needs plenty of work but the main glaring issue is the controversy section. These generally should be avoided as it usually means an article is written poorly - instead any appropriate items should simply be merged into the general text. The AIDS controversy, for instance, could go near where the AIDS pandemic is first brought up. -- Banjeboi 01:59, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I have create a sandbox page for IBR, and would appreciate some help in getting it fleshed out before going live. The page itself and its discussion page are both publicly editable, so have at it. Once it is reasonably ready, I will create the actual article page. TechBear ( talk) 16:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
[2] Is this right, that they wear in the 1980s Teddy Bears instead of Hanky Codes as protest? -- Franz (Fg68at) de:Talk 09:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Here also: [3] -- Franz (Fg68at) de:Talk 10:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
The new opening paragraph is terrible! Woefully written and talks more about the Hankie Code than the bear scene. Can we roll this back to a previous edit please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.23.0.70 ( talk) 13:09, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
There is mention of Logo's airing of the documentary, Bear Run under "References In Pop Culture - Television."
Link to that documentary is here: [4]
Didn't know if I should add it or not.
Mggreco ( talk) 01:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
isnt the bear run part of this article a bit ameri-centric? theres the very popular great british bear bash and several events through europe especially in spain.... i would argue that to be an inclusive article, the bear runs should mention other non-US held popular bear runs
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
A few comments: 1) This needs to be NPOVized somewhat. 2) Typically, we don't put "the" in article titles unless there's some good reason to do so. I would prefer to see this at Bear community or some such.
Absent discussion, I will effect these changes myself. Montrealais
The bear community was created... <- seems to imply a group of people sat down and said "hey! let's do the show right here in the barn" (or whatever... you get the idea). Don't communities in general come about gradually, rather than "created"? -- Tarquin
I question the definitions given for "muscle bear" and "muscle bear cub." If a man is lean, the bears of my acquaintance don't refer to him as a bear or bear cub, "muscle" or otherwise. If they deign to speak of him at all, they may call him an otter. Whenever I hear the term "muscle bear" or "muscle cub" (not "muscle bear cub"), the person being described is muscular but stocky.
Perhaps this (I'd rather get some consensus prior to posting on the page):
Hey! you made me visit gay porn site by klicking one of those links! :( Can't you have warnings? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.73.4.66 ( talk • contribs) .
[[User Does anyone object if I actually change photos? The photo that's there doesn't really say much to me, being a distant "side on" view of the bears in there. Although, I don't want to go changing things if people wouldn't like it done. Beardoc 09:02, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
User:Pacian wrote:
It has been derided by some for being inherantly racist (depictions of the "ideal" bear are almost exclusively of a white male,) sexist (women are frequently unwelcome at bear events) and internally-homophobic (with those who are stereotypically effeminate often shunned or excluded.)
In accordance with Wikipedia policy, could you please provide verifiable sources for your POV statements regarding internalized homophobia, sexism, etc. in the Bear community? - thickslab 22:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
In my opinion, the external links are getting too long. I don't think this article will ever be developed enough to be a FA, but there are still wikipedia guidelines regarding external links that I would like to adhere to. I propose pruning it a lot, but want to see what other editors think before I do it. -- Syrthiss 13:39, 16 January 2006 (UTC) * I've removed most of the links. Most of them were links to bear clubs and commercial sites, and I've kept a few that I think are worth keeping. -- thickslab 16:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
I added the Taormino column to the external links and rearranged them chronologically. Should all the linked articles and periodicals be grouped together another way?
I put a notice up on the Bears Mailing List asking for folks to come help us make some progress here. My time's really limited these days, but I felt we can do better by way of self-definition.
--
wolfbear 9 August, 2006 21:58pm ET
What links are link spamming and what not? all you want are spam and all others not? all your friends sites not and others yes? your lovers sites not and other yes? BE INTELILLENT AND COHERENT DONT TELL EXCUSES TO JUSTIFICATE ANARCHY. ALL LINKS DECLARED IN THAT PAGE ARE SPAM OR NOTHING ARE SPAM. BIGMEN SPAM AND HUZBEARS NOT? WHATS THE FUCK. YOU ARE DOING UNFAIR COMPETITION. WHAT DO YOU THINK? THE SERVERS ARE FREE AND PEOPLE CAN LIVE WITH AIR ONLY? BET FOR THE BEAR COMMUNITY NOT FUCK IT.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.97.16.111 ( talk • contribs).
The anarchy dictaorials rights violators are acting again not reading the terms and conditions and banning VALID links :)
I've removed an inline link to "Woobie Bear Music," as it appeared to be spam. Does anyone think it should be put back? Doctor Whom 23:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
No
...but really when I hear "grizzly bear" I don't think of Grizzly Adams (that would be a daddy or polar bear). If one wanted to use the American Grizzly magazine as a yardstick, the guys in there seemed to be bigger frame guys. Comments? -- Syrthiss 21:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I have been a bear most of my life and I have been to many bear events. I have not once seen anything that even closely resembles racism (as there are many mixed couples present), Sexism (as I know of many women that frequent these events) or elitism (as the bear community is more on the acceptance on one's own image over that of the stereotype).
It should be noted that as the gay community progresses and ages, the long held stereotypes are no longer valid. To say that we do not welcome those that are effeminate, is to say that we don't accept ourselves. Much an oxymoron.
While it is true that most bears tend to be attracted to those of a similar stature, there are quite a number that are looking for quite the opposite. And, still, there are some "bears" that are hetrosexual, chosing to celebrate all that is being a male.
Um, no not really. I see many bears these days attracted to non bears and yes even some twinks and vice versa. I have even see more non bears accpted in bear runs and bear bars these days. This should definetely be noted.
A bear, it should be noted, is more the attitude of acceptance our own flaws as being part of who we are, rather than trying to live up to an image.
69.162.110.52 17:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Jerrbear
The Bear "community" is very accepting of Bisexual and Transgendered people, and this is very surprising since Bisexuals and Trans people get ignored, or told that they don't exist by the mainstream GLBT/gay "community".
However, there is a lot of racism within the bear community, you can't deny it. It's sort of a white supremacy within "SOME' sections of the community but not all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.203.237.142 ( talk) 17:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Can someone provide some sources for some of the more ridiculous animal words, i.e. wombat, manatee, fluffy, koala bear? And also for the alternate definition of "panda bear?" These are not words I have ever heard used in this context. -- by thickslab, originally unsigned.
I disagree with the culling of the description list to 'keep it short and simple'. Nor was it admirable to remove terms that are relevant to geographically specific areas, such as 'wombats' and 'koala bears'. Aside from the recent rise in muscle bear exclusivity, I had thought the bear culture welcomed diverse opinions. And to pre-emptively respond to the criticism that opinion has no place on wikipedia, it is collective opinion and action that eventually morph into the solid fact demanded from any encyclopaedia.
On the topic of bears in history, I admit that it seems a little spurious, but to refer to it as ridiculous is to overstep the bounds of language. It is important to recognise that while some personalities in history were not called 'bears' (or ursus) in their day, the basis of hirsute, masculine men engaging in homosexual activity is a pertinent point of reference for community origins. -- anonymous comment by IP
Clearly this is a vanity article. The term "bear" doesn't mean anything in the context of the gay community. Everyone looks different, so the hell what. Haizum 08:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I know what a vanity article is, and this isn't one. I will echo Thickslab's link to the civility guidelines. Syrthiss 20:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
"The bear community originated in San Francisco in the 1970s as an outgrowth of the leather and "girth and mirth" communities. It was created by men who felt that mainstream gay culture was unwelcoming to men who did not fit a particular bodily norm (hairless, and young)."
Complete bullshit. Obviously bearish gay men exist all over the world before the 1970. The only thing the US did was coming up with the community idea, making it famous and commercialising it.
As stated somewhere below I would also change the "was created" sentence. Guest Account 08:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I remember the first Bear event took place at the Pilsner Bar in San Francisco in 1988? 1989? It was reported in the B.A.R., I think. It was actually more of a tongue-in-cheek thing, kind of a spoof of drag shows and leather events. The Pilsner back then had a more blue collar, out of the mainstream crowd--certainly not what would be considered Bearish today. That's the first time I heard the word Bear used to describe gay men. -- Paddbear 19:57, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the laugh.
haha yeah it is!
Just starting out, added 'behr' as a definition I remember from early Usenet days. Would like to add supporting citation ( http://groups.google.com/group/soc.motss/browse_thread/thread/5079134669420411/33d889eb7b8030a4?lnk=gst&q=behr&rnum=6#33d889eb7b8030a4). Can anyone either add it, or help me out with that? -- Jestabear originally unsigned
This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, --- J.S ( t| c) 03:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Queer as Folk has a comment like, every five seconds about bears and twinkies and studs. That should be added but I don't know how to word it.- Babylon pride 03:55, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
In the definitions section, the term "chaser" seems to have a mistake. It's also known as a ....? Gahunt 02:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Should their be an image of the striped flag with pawprint? Basejumper 17:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
There should be a section in here regarding "bear" feet. Lots of guys are into big guy's feet. It's all over the internet and well known in the community. Perhaps, make a wikipedia article about it?
Both articles are lacking source based descriptions of their common similarities and differences. -- Nemissimo 17:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't think there's a huge amount of women in the bear community but there sure is a decent trans presence. I'm a bit overloaded at the moment but it would be nice to find ways to acknowledge this at some point. Benjiboi 01:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Women in the bear community? Bears are for male role models -- ones that are not the traditional male twink scope. There is this whole lesbian thing for women - why look to a male grouping? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
65.96.242.167 (
talk) 23:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Some women, regardless of their own sexuality, just like hanging around bears. Why not? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
67.171.243.32 (
talk) 06:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
This talk page needs some house-cleaning. Someone please be bold and start an archive and move old talk point to it. Thank you! Benjiboi 01:48, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
This article contains vast tracts of Original research. The majority of it is unreferenced and most likely, unreferenceable. I suggest serious cleanup. Kyaa the Catlord ( talk) 10:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree with the word gay slang as a synonym for the Bear community. Last version didn't had the word gay slang when I searched wikipedia for Bear community .It is an identity Bear community is proud of. Many people in the bear community like to idenitfy as a bear ,cub ,chaser , muscle bear. Also the article misses the explanation of cubs, otters , daddy bear ,muscle bear , woof which I though there was in the previous edit. Check out the link for the list of bear clubs in the world.
Here is a better and best definition of a bear.
Here is some more info.
The current popular Bear Magazine from USA.
And list of Bear Events across the world.
Bear History
Bear Community
Techcub ( talk) 17:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)techcub
Per above "It might also make sense to make a conscious decision to either be inclusive to all bear communities (which I think would be difficult) or rename and re-aim the lede to state there is a growing emergence of bear cultures within the LGBT movements which is mostly gay men. Rename suggestion --> Bear cultures (gay), or something similar unless the article is going to try to accurately discuss most of the bear communities around the world which I don't recommend." Does Bear culture (gay) make sense for this article? If not any suggestions? Also I should clarify I meant that it's mostly gay men in the bear cultures not in the LGBT movements. Benjiboi 22:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Indent reset. Mucho appreciated and back atchya! I see no problem with including the communities content as well as otter et al with a move to Bear (gay slang) and would actually expect to see that in the article. This is who uses this term applies to and why and how and here is the communities, events and naming conventions that are a part of this minority within a minority community. We're opening an accurate window to this world for those looking and we should work it out to be an informative good read. There's piles of great stuff out there I know it's possible. Benjiboi 12:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
outdent. OK, now that all have fermented on my creative spelling! can we move forward with a rename to Bear (gay slang) without prejudice to all the content (i.e. we find ways to keep things presently in the article even though we're restructuring)? Benjiboi 17:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Want to make a note before I forget, Gummi bears are into latex, rubber fetishes; there was a London club by that name was somehow involved in the Operation Spanner case and i believe there is some German pop song about this as well. Benjiboi 03:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
“ | A 30 second video clip for this little green troubadour's song I'm A Gummy Bear has met an enthusiastic response around the globe with more than 14 million plays on YouTube and MySpace video alone. This multi-lingual hit - available in English, French, Spanish, German and the original Hungarian - has won the hearts of fun-loving audiences everywhere. It has gone on to hit the best seller lists in every country in which it was released. | ” |
In what sense in the analysis of a concept "original research"? I wrote that stuff. I didn't research it at all. The fact is when you call a man a bear you do it for a reason. It's like a literary allusion. The only way to understand what it means is to understand what it achieves.
Additionally it's important not to dilute the concept such that we are pretending women can be bears, or that transexuals are a significant part of bear culture. if you start doing this, the article reads like a reflection of the author's preoccupations and politics and misleads people. (theobald2526 10/12/07) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theobald2526 ( talk • contribs) 02:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
In the Terminology section of this article, the term "Wolf" is mentioned (and capitalized) in the definition of the term "Otter." A comparison is made between the two, noting the primary difference. However, the term "Wolf" itself is not defined. Both the comparison and the capitalizing of "Wolf" renders it a term that needs its own definition. the terminology list needs to be expanded to include "Wolf." tigerdg ( talk) 04:00, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
I cleaned up an edit made by an anonymous IP, and noticed that the list of references is poorly done. I will try to get to it this evening, but if anyone else wants to take it on, go for it. TechBear ( talk) 19:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.134.119.35 ( talk) 20:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I made some alterations in the description, as it had so many "some" and "may" and "although" that it was rendered unreadable. I know that this is impolite to do, but I haven't altered any information, except about the chasers. But, as that info is already on the terminology, and has its own article, I don't think it will matter. Hope I haven't upset anyone. Tercer ( talk) 04:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
This article till needs plenty of work but the main glaring issue is the controversy section. These generally should be avoided as it usually means an article is written poorly - instead any appropriate items should simply be merged into the general text. The AIDS controversy, for instance, could go near where the AIDS pandemic is first brought up. -- Banjeboi 01:59, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I have create a sandbox page for IBR, and would appreciate some help in getting it fleshed out before going live. The page itself and its discussion page are both publicly editable, so have at it. Once it is reasonably ready, I will create the actual article page. TechBear ( talk) 16:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
[2] Is this right, that they wear in the 1980s Teddy Bears instead of Hanky Codes as protest? -- Franz (Fg68at) de:Talk 09:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Here also: [3] -- Franz (Fg68at) de:Talk 10:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
The new opening paragraph is terrible! Woefully written and talks more about the Hankie Code than the bear scene. Can we roll this back to a previous edit please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.23.0.70 ( talk) 13:09, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
There is mention of Logo's airing of the documentary, Bear Run under "References In Pop Culture - Television."
Link to that documentary is here: [4]
Didn't know if I should add it or not.
Mggreco ( talk) 01:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
isnt the bear run part of this article a bit ameri-centric? theres the very popular great british bear bash and several events through europe especially in spain.... i would argue that to be an inclusive article, the bear runs should mention other non-US held popular bear runs